Tomphil2 Posted yesterday at 15:32 Posted yesterday at 15:32 15 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: It’s funny how this has all come full circle in 1 year. Many poster on here actually the majority of posters on here were sceptical of his signing last season said he was past it his injury record was a concern couldn’t get on for Norwich and was done. Now there’s an uproar he can’t get a two year contract (some of the same posters too) brilliant We've learned a lesson and so should the club. A top player is a top player and as long as he is fit and performing there should be no issue in wanting to keep them but this is all about the counterproductive self inflicted 'over 30' rule. ie no resale value so no value at all to the head office which deals in financial numbers not football ones and they give the orders. Quote
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pick32 Posted yesterday at 15:42 Posted yesterday at 15:42 If we can’t re sign Batth I would also flog Hyam and try find a new cb pairing, he can’t play next to Wharton or Carter and needs guidance every minute or he is a liability 2 Quote
roversfan99 Posted yesterday at 16:08 Posted yesterday at 16:08 He is definitely better with a more dominant partner but he won player of the season next to Carter in his first season here. Carter when he has played in the last 2 years has been shaky yet for some reason all of the criticism goes to Hyam. We cant afford to lose key experienced players and he is one. 6 Quote
Moderation Lead K-Hod Posted yesterday at 16:56 Moderation Lead Posted yesterday at 16:56 1 hour ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: It’s funny how this has all come full circle in 1 year. Many poster on here actually the majority of posters on here were sceptical of his signing last season said he was past it his injury record was a concern couldn’t get on for Norwich and was done. Now there’s an uproar he can’t get a two year contract (some of the same posters too) brilliant Hindsight sees in 20/20 👍. 1 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted yesterday at 17:12 Posted yesterday at 17:12 12 minutes ago, K-Hod said: Hindsight sees in 20/20 👍. There’s a greater point to my post and it’s more to do with writing players off before they kick a ball for rovers. Granted the transfer pot were playing in isn’t top tier or even second tier and some of the names linked are unknowns or maybe not super inspiring but batth prime example that in some cases (certainly won’t be in all) let’s judge on their output and performance for rovers as opposed to other clubs fans views/youtube etc 4 Quote
roversfan99 Posted yesterday at 17:23 Posted yesterday at 17:23 People do judge based on how they play for Rovers. If they didnt then people wouldnt have adjusted their opinion based on how well he did. The opposite of writing him off before a ball is kicked. But when a player signs, people will likely have positive or negative opinions based on whatever they have. Whether they have seen the player lots or whether its more limited. People should freely share their opinions otherwise this thread is null and void. Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted yesterday at 17:27 Posted yesterday at 17:27 3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: People do judge based on how they play for Rovers. If they didnt then people wouldnt have adjusted their opinion based on how well he did. The opposite of writing him off before a ball is kicked. But when a player signs, people will likely have positive or negative opinions based on whatever they have. Whether they have seen the player lots or whether its more limited. People should freely share their opinions otherwise this thread is null and void. Absolutely we can form and have opinions no doubting that at all o have many and got many wrong myself but it’s to do with what they do in a rovers shirt and the overall point I’m making as stated above the majority of this forum didn’t want batth and the same folk now want two more years from him. Quote
DeeCee Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago If players contacts end on June 30th, maybe that's when the decisions will be made (Dolan, Batth, Weimann)? Quote
roversfan99 Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago (edited) 52 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Absolutely we can form and have opinions no doubting that at all o have many and got many wrong myself but it’s to do with what they do in a rovers shirt and the overall point I’m making as stated above the majority of this forum didn’t want batth and the same folk now want two more years from him. But the fact that people perhaps didnt want Batth (although I dont recall him being that badly received) and now are desperate for him to stay proves that people DIDNT write him off before a ball was kicked. Otherwise he would have been unable to change those peoples mind. And proves that people have judged him on what he has done in a Rovers shirt. Edited 23 hours ago by roversfan99 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: But the fact that people perhaps didnt want Batth (although I dont recall him being that badly received) and now are desperate for him to stay proves that people DIDNT write him off before a ball was kicked. Otherwise he would have been unable to change those peoples mind. And proves that people have judged him on what he has done in a Rovers shirt. So what would you call saying ‘don’t need him’ ‘not good enough for Norwich not good enough for us’ ‘too old’ ‘too slow’ and similar comments - that’s writing him off is it not and if it’s not then I don’t know what writing someone off entails then Quote
alex l Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Anyone saying it's a no brainer to give Batth the 2 years he apparently wants have short memories - we gave Ayala 3 years and the club was burnt by it. Granted Ayala's injury record was worse before joining but generally, a semi-serious injury in your mid thirties could see it very difficult to get back to anywhere near the level you are. I want him to sign on though, hopefully they're offering a second year based on an appearance-based clause. Quote
Forever Blue Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: So what would you call saying ‘don’t need him’ ‘not good enough for Norwich not good enough for us’ ‘too old’ ‘too slow’ and similar comments - that’s writing him off is it not and if it’s not then I don’t know what writing someone off entails then Roversfan99 writes everyone off before they pull on a shirt, then gets defensive when it’s pointed out. It’s a story as old as time. 1 Quote
davulsukur Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Batth turns 35 in a couple of months. Although I want him to stay, and his influence will be felt both on and off the pitch, I don't think the club should really be offering a 2 year deal. 1 year with an option would be better, if he'll agree to it. Difficult tbh, no reason he couldn't play for 2 more years, also his legs could go over night and we're landed with him for another season (or more) 2 Quote
Hasta Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago (edited) If he was French and Rudy’s mate he’d be getting his two years. I still think it’s under-discussed that we gave Ismael, a manager on the scrap heap, a longer contract in 3.5 years than Mowbray, JDT or Eustace when they were brought in on. This at a time when money is completely dried up. Edited 20 hours ago by Hasta 6 Quote
Backroom DE. Posted 22 hours ago Backroom Posted 22 hours ago 10 minutes ago, davulsukur said: Batth turns 35 in a couple of months. Although I want him to stay, and his influence will be felt both on and off the pitch, I don't think the club should really be offering a 2 year deal. 1 year with an option would be better, if he'll agree to it. Difficult tbh, no reason he couldn't play for 2 more years, also his legs could go over night and we're landed with him for another season (or more) Indeed, we saw it first hand with Mulgrew, who was younger than Batth when his legs went. A year with an option is reasonable from the club's perspective. 2 Quote
Forever Blue Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Hasta said: If he was French and Rudy’s mate he’d be getting his two years. I still think it’s under-discussed that we gave Ismael, a manager on the scrap heap, a longer contract in 3.5 years than Mowbray, JDT or Eustace were brought in on. This at a time when money is completely dried up. He’s on board with the latest version of the project, they love that in the corridors of power at Ewood. He’ll soon get fucked off with it all if he’s got anything about him. Quote
Andy Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Have a feeling, based on absolutely nothing factual, that Batth will stay and it's already been agreed - but the club are planting the seeds of doubt in the local media. So when the new contract is announced, they can spin it as a huge achievement. Quote
M_B Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: There’s a greater point to my post and it’s more to do with writing players off before they kick a ball for rovers. Granted the transfer pot were playing in isn’t top tier or even second tier and some of the names linked are unknowns or maybe not super inspiring but batth prime example that in some cases (certainly won’t be in all) let’s judge on their output and performance for rovers as opposed to other clubs fans views/youtube etc Important not to write Gestede off either, let's see what he's got. Main thing for me is that he and Ismael are on the same page regarding transfers. We can't afford another head coach throwing his toys out the pram over recruitment. Edited 22 hours ago by M_B 1 Quote
roversfan99 Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 59 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: So what would you call saying ‘don’t need him’ ‘not good enough for Norwich not good enough for us’ ‘too old’ ‘too slow’ and similar comments - that’s writing him off is it not and if it’s not then I don’t know what writing someone off entails then To write someone off would be final. To say that you dont agree with a signing is not writing someone off if they then do well and you praise them. If people were saying now that Batth has been a shit signing despite his performances then that would prove that you did write them off and nothing could change your mind. 49 minutes ago, Forever Blue said: Roversfan99 writes everyone off before they pull on a shirt, then gets defensive when it’s pointed out. It’s a story as old as time. I mean its not true that im negative about every signing. But even if I was, that isnt writing players off. Also, this only works one way. Take Cantwell, I was all for him signing, he had a poor season but no one ever goes back and says you shouldnt assume a singing will be good before theyve played. 1 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 9 hours ago, ... said: https://rovers.co.uk/news/2025/june/12/val--ddn-fits-the-profile-we-want-/ Dion brings pace wide and Ismael he can play either side. Let's see what Dion has got 6 minutes ago, M_B said: Important not to write Gestede off either, let's see what he's got. Main thing for me is that he and Ismael are on the same page regarding transfers. We can't afford another head coach throwing his toys out the pram over recruitment. Agreed there. Ismael and Gestede are align with what we want transfer wise Quote
roversfan99 Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago We dont know if they are aligned or not. I suspect if we have to lose key players having not offered new deals that Ismael wont be too happy. Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 20 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: To write someone off would be final. To say that you dont agree with a signing is not writing someone off if they then do well and you praise them. If people were saying now that Batth has been a shit signing despite his performances then that would prove that you did write them off and nothing could change your mind. I mean its not true that im negative about every signing. But even if I was, that isnt writing players off. Also, this only works one way. Take Cantwell, I was all for him signing, he had a poor season but no one ever goes back and says you shouldnt assume a singing will be good before theyve played. Then technically no player is or can be written off until their career is over and in that case it’s not written off it’s a conclusion or evaluation of their career it wasn’t supposed to start a mass debate tbh I just found it funny that some of the same poster who this time last year didn’t want batth near the club are fuming he isn’t getting a 2 year deal now nothing more nothing less than an observation Quote
Upside Down Posted 21 hours ago Author Posted 21 hours ago 9 hours ago, ... said: Yea they use a banana Just the skin Quote
Proudtobeblue&white Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago I'm sorry if I have missed something? We are not tying down our better players, buying some no mark from Belgium for 600k, and looking forward to 150 years. Give me a break! 1 Quote
Rover1984 Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 19 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: Dion brings pace wide and Ismael he can play either side. Let's see what Dion has got Agreed there. Ismael and Gestede are align with what we want transfer wise Been ruthless this seasons end with very few offered fresh terms. There’s a few more like. Buckley and JRC to get off the books as they didn’t feature much last season. Could clearly see the ones VI didn’t have confidence in. Side needs refreshing and we can’t just hold on to players who can’t even compete for a place. Latest windows have been a failure but got a feeling we will refresh a lot this summer. Won’t spend a lot but think we will get a few permanent signings in Quote
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