Waggy76 Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 1 hour ago, roversfan99 said: Where did you see these? Both right footed so dont fit the criteria we want. Perfecto!Β Quote
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Waggy76 Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 42 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said: Why are we buying players from a Belgium league 2 side. What kind of joke is this. We have signed 2 players from the same club?! Links!Β Quote
Rover down South Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 42 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said: Why are we buying players from a Belgium league 2 side. What kind of joke is this. We have signed 2 players from the same club?! If Derby can do it, so can we! 1 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 17 minutes ago, JHRover said: There's loads of owners of other clubs who have attracted all sorts of negative publicity and labels of 'worst' owners in England for differing reasons. Oystons, Mike Ashley, Chansiri, Ken Anderson, SISU, Duchatelet, Carson Yeung, the other Chinese bloke at Birmingham, the one at Reading until recently, Vincent Tan at one stage. Point is that as bad as they might have been they've all had plus points along the way, including some sporting success and took some interest in their clubs.Β More importantly than that the bad times were relatively brief. A few years or so then it burnt out because they either gave up, ran out of money or got forced out.Β No other example I'm aware of beyond Venkys of such a long term sustained spell of damage and destruction, with no end in sight, and so few positives. Basically the only ones people can dig up are that they've paid their bills. That's how low standards have sunk that the best they've got to their name is paying their bills and not allowing the club to go bust. All those other clubs could move on, reunite, rebuild and look forward. We can't do that. And they've not even fronted the cash to pay their own bills the last two years - it's been player sales.Β Plus it sounds like they're holding that Β£147m 'debt' over our head - a loan they can call in at any time and completely sink the club.Β 2 Quote
wilsdenrover Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, NeilInBristol said: Why are we buying players from a Belgium league 2 side. What kind of joke is this. We have signed 2 players from the same club?! Maybe Rudy kept in touch with Vincent Tan. Edited 18 hours ago by wilsdenrover 4 Quote
Herbie6590 Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 41 minutes ago, Neal said: . These people are the most vile owners football has ever seen.Β Β Blackpool FC & Bury FC fans say βHi..β π 2 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago The amount of money Venkys have chucked at the running costs has continually deflected them from being singled out in recent times by media etc although it's still generally acknowledged in football they are shite owners. What really puzzles me is when we do regularly make the headlines for some latest nonsense why don't the media and the authorities take a closer look. Ask the real questions of just why this continues and what are they doing it for especially with all the recent stuff thats come to light. There are a few rotten ownerships around but on a consistent level for 15v years now these lot take some beating it's like they've just put the club and fanbase in an induced coma and are determined to keep it there whatever the cost. We are an absolute shell. 5 Quote
Upside Down Posted 18 hours ago Author Posted 18 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said: The amount of money Venkys have chucked at the running costs has continually deflected them from being singled out in recent times by media etc although it's still generally acknowledged in football they are shite owners. What really puzzles me is when we do regularly make the headlines for some latest nonsense why don't the media and the authorities take a closer look. Ask the real questions of just why this continues and what are they doing it for especially with all the recent stuff thats come to light. There are a few rotten ownerships around but on a consistent level for 15v years now these lot take some beating it's like they've just put the club and fanbase in an induced coma and are determined to keep it there whatever the cost. We are an absolute shell. They're well connected with the media via their sports consultantΒ business partnersΒ Β former associates. 2 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Upside Down said: They're well connected with the media via their sports consultantΒ business partnersΒ Β former associates. Very true. And there's me waiting for the '20 million a season line to change to can't put 20 million a season in anymore due to being under investigation by the Indian govt ! Wonder why the commentators could always slip one in but no mention of the other.... 1 Quote
bb1rover Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago Eustace seemed like an arm around your shoulder man manager. His falling out with the hierarchy was obvious, maybe he created an us vs the big wigs mentality within the team. Then when he left and they brought in a manager who seems the complete opposite, it's likely those that had expiring contracts thought I'd rather not be managed by him, I'd rather move on, hence the eagerness to go to Derby with him. This happens at organisations all the time, team loves the manager, together they hate the hierarchy, manager leaves and many of the team are eager to go to his new job with him. The fact that they were so close to the play offs and missed out, probably helped in justifying their love for Eustace and dislike for those above him. It's possible Eustace is stubborn and wants everything his way and that Birmingham saw that and sacked him. It may explain why he was prematurely sacked. It would also explain why he left us so high up for a team so low down. So yes we are a mess, but its quite possible the above is a big part of why none of those with expiring contracts want to accept a new contract.Β Not saying it's definitely the above, but it's plausible it's part of the reason.Β 3 Quote
bluebruce Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 3 hours ago, B16Rover said: For none X usersΒ Β So. Selvik's signing came off the back of him playing 100% minutes in the Band 5 Eliteserien in 2024. Β He signed for Udinese (Band 1) & was in 2 matchday squads. This granted him the 12 lge quality pts. Β Then comes the good bit. Β There is a clause in the regulations that reads: "If a Player is eligible for points in multiple columns of Table 2, including where: a. the Player has made an appearance in two domestic league competitions during the Reference Period; ... the Player shall be granted the higher of the points he is eligible for in Table 2. " This applied to Selvik. Therefore the 4 minutes pts he was eligible for in Band 5 added to his 12 Band 1 pts to give him 16 β οΈ Β They are now pulling the same trick with Kjerrumgaard. Β He played Band 6 last season, but 94% mins for Odense, that is enough for 2, added to the 12.. That is only 14. He needs 15 Β However, he won promotion with OB. Even in B6, winning promotion is enough for a single GBE pt Β 15 β οΈ Β Kjerrumgaard gets GBE, no problem. Β Except the regs say that a player should be registered for a matchday squad & I don't think that is planned Hang on, that clause in the regulation is saying he will receive the higher of the points he is eligible for, not that he will receive both sets of points he is eligible for in table 2. So it isn't 12 plus 4, it's just 12. Am I missing something? Is the 12 for league quality and the 4 is for actual minutes played, so they're in two different tables? 1 Quote
Upside Down Posted 18 hours ago Author Posted 18 hours ago 4 minutes ago, bluebruce said: Hang on, that clause in the regulation is saying he will receive the higher of the points he is eligible for, not that he will receive both sets of points he is eligible for in table 2. So it isn't 12 plus 4, it's just 12. Am I missing something? Is the 12 for league quality and the 4 is for actual minutes played, so they're in two different tables? That's how I'm reading it. Quote
JBiz Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, NeilInBristol said: Why are we buying players from a Belgium league 2 side. What kind of joke is this. We have signed 2 players from the same club?! Itβs a write off statement to say βwait till youβve seen them in actionβ, and there are lists of obscure European (and further afield) players we, and others have signed over the years that have been great. That doesnβt mean itβs not a risk btw, Iβd agree with that but I still think thereβs potential in the approach. Tronstad and Ohashi - both very good recent examples of signings for peanuts. Β Whilst Iβm sure people can say they have different pedigrees, some players just work with managers, systems etc. That Dack (thought it was relevant because heβd mainly played 3rd/4th tier when we signed him) article I read earlier summed up his form for rovers, his love for Mowbray and the way he was paired with Danny Graham played a big part in his (and our) success. Edited 17 hours ago by JBiz 1 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 12 hours ago, davulsukur said: From the horses mouth, no less. This sudden new narrative about us unexpectedly and unluckily being "in transition" is absolute rubbish. It's always been claimed since VI arrived that the aim was to add more pace and power to the squad so there's nothing new there and RG also said during the car crash interviews that the number of players out of contract was an exciting opportunity to reshape the squad so again the possibility that players might not be extending their stays has been known for some time. Looks like the recruitment/retention of staff hasnt been going as well as expected and they're starting to panic a bit. 4 Quote
USABlue Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago On 14/07/2025 at 11:44, Hasta said: lol. Thatβs reliable. Have a look of Boylesports website. They havenβt got the market up just like every other bookie. For comparison, Newcastle are only 250/1 to get relegated from the Prem. Rovers were about 4/1 to be relegated last year and I suspect we will be about 6/1 this year. 350-1Β π Someone with lotsa bling might be all over that, we are going down, oh dear oh dear. Quote
Popular Post KentExile Posted 11 hours ago Popular Post Posted 11 hours ago (edited) 17 hours ago, lraC said: Looks like we have a cunning plan. Β Unfortunately that cunning plan will involve shipping out any proven qualityΒ and/or experience we have because of their "unrealistic wage demands", and replacing them with young players from overseas who will cost halfΒ the amount. Of course this doesn't necessarily mean that they will be worse, but it is certainly a distinct possibility that they will be. The whole "project", and certainly the "transition", resembles the downgrading that Huddersfield performed a couple of years ago that lead to them being relegated to League 1 where they didn't even manage to finish in the play offs If Rovers are not in trouble this season, then both the coaching and especially recruitment teams will have worked a miracle Β Transition?Β - translation, "current players wanted more than a bag of monster munch, so we need cheaper ones".Β New contracts will not be offered "I think you see clearly now on the transfer market, we are in the transition," Ismael explained. "We spoke after the last game in the season, we wanted to keep that stability in the squad to try to extend the players. We made offers but they chose another way.Β "So now, our strategy is to go into the transition. We didn't expect to have that this summer but now it's time. "We want to reduce of our players, we have a clear profile of player that we want. Young, very athletic, players who are very able to give us that intensity. Technically as well, to give us possibilities with the ball. "At some point, it's ok to say, what shall we do now? Should we be chasing (contracts) or are we going to start with a transition period? "That means new players in, new profiles of players. They need more time to adapt so the fans can enjoy the new players, our new signings. It takes time. "We are choosing to be proactive. We are in a transition period, clearly. We know that until September 1, anything can happen due to the contract situation of some of our players." Edited 8 hours ago by KentExile 11 Quote
NeilInBristol Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 5 hours ago, JBiz said: Itβs a write off statement to say βwait till youβve seen them in actionβ, and there are lists of obscure European (and further afield) players we, and others have signed over the years that have been great. That doesnβt mean itβs not a risk btw, Iβd agree with that but I still think thereβs potential in the approach. Tronstad and Ohashi - both very good recent examples of signings for peanuts. Β Whilst Iβm sure people can say they have different pedigrees, some players just work with managers, systems etc. That Dack (thought it was relevant because heβd mainly played 3rd/4th tier when we signed him) article I read earlier summed up his form for rovers, his love for Mowbray and the way he was paired with Danny Graham played a big part in his (and our) success. Understand, however unearthing one gem from an unknown league and supporting them to adapt and fit in to our squad is one thing, we are buying a few players with no championship experience and likely they will be our starter's going forward, high risk and I think we may be doomedΒ 1 Quote
... Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 8 hours ago, Forever Blue said: Pavle is vagic, he wears a vagic hatβ¦. Wonder if this Colin will bare his behind too... must be a Colin thing Quote
Wing Wizard Windy Miller Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Well, you'd assume simply from a pr point of view the club would want at least 1 decent signing in by the Everton game.Β Β The 'board' are looking the incompetents they are as it stands.Β Quote
Waggy76 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 16 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said: Well, you'd assume simply from a pr point of view the club would want at least 1 decent signing in by the Everton game.Β Β The 'board' are looking the incompetents they are as it stands.Β I don't think the board give a shit!Β 1 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, NeilInBristol said: Understand, however unearthing one gem from an unknown league and supporting them to adapt and fit in to our squad is one thing, we are buying a few players with no championship experience and likely they will be our starter's going forward, high risk and I think we may be doomedΒ Yep the fishing in the relegated Belgium teams is another step down from recruiting the likes of Quashi and Tronstad so the chances of them hitting the ground running are less. It's not always about what abilities they posses as most players have some sort of qualities it's more about how quickly they can adapt. The right attitude, desire and mindset and that takes a bit more scouting time and research than pouring over stats in less demanding leagues. Fingers crossed. Edited 10 hours ago by Tomphil2 Quote
Popular Post Old Codger Posted 10 hours ago Popular Post Posted 10 hours ago 58 minutes ago, KentExile said: Β Unfortunately that cunning plan will involve shipping out any proven qualityΒ and/or experience we have because of their "unrealistic wage demands", and replacing them with young players from overseas who will cost halfΒ the amount. Of course this doesn't necessarily mean that they will be worse, but it is certainly a distinct possibility that they will be. The whole "project", resembles the downgrading that Huddersfield performed a couple fo years ago that lead to them being relegated to League 1 where they didn't even manage to finish in the play offs If Rovers are not in trouble this season, then both the coaching and especially recruitment teams will have worked a miracle Yes, definitely this. Whatever happens behind the scenes, we don't appear to be 'building a team', but instead are 'assembling a playing staff'. The difference in terms of preparation, outlook, togetherness, awareness of relative strengths (and the ability to play to these), team spirit, coherence and cohesion, compared to a settled side whose core has been unchanged for a couple of seasons and who 'know' how each other play across a wide range of game types and conditions, well that is likely to be a massive gulf, and one that it will be nigh on impossible to bridge. Consider the wet, dark and cold months ahead. How will a bunch of (let's face it) journeyman players, relatively underpaid compared to their opposition and operating in unfamiliar conditions at a level probably higher than they have ever faced before, react when things go against them, as they inevitably will? I'm no expert, and am just a Rovers fan that has seen more or less everything in my 52 years supporting the club, but my feeling is that we are probably heading for consistently underwhelming outcomes on the pitch, accompanied by a growing discontent off it. Not a recipe for a triumphant continuation of form that saw us miss out on the play offs by ten sodding minutes ! Please come back and quote me at various points during the season, regardless of the actual results we chalk up. I would be delighted to be proven wrong, but this approach doesn't fill me with any sense of looking forward to the coming campaign. VENKYS OUT! PASHA GET OUT YOU SNIVELLING ROTBRAIN! RUDY- DO ONE! But, COYB! 11 Quote
GHD Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 12 hours ago, Tom said: Once weβve accepted a bid fine him a weeks wage for bringing the club into disreputeΒ Fine him for agreeing with the truth that the club has already been brought into disrepute by the hierarchy? Quote
danger19_80 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 1 minute ago, GHD said: Fine him for agreeing with the truth that the club has already been brought into disrepute by the hierarchy? Yes okay but i have my doubts he - or most modern footballers - would behave any differently if we were suddenly well run Β Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago I see Sam morsey looks like heβs moving from Ipswich - add that to Phillips returning to city and luongo leaving would they revisit a permanent deal for Travis given his contract situation? They seem very light in that areaΒ Quote
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