roversfan99 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said: And another? How many do you want? 11 players for 4 positions. Woah Again, you are fixated with numbers as if each of those "11" is equal. Are there enough goals? No. Is there enough creativity? No. Is there enough pace? No. Our attack is nowhere near good enough. It shouldnt be a case of have we enough warm bodies, it should be do we have the necessary quality. For the positions up to the attacking ones, roughly 2 for 1 position is sufficient. In attack, especially if we want to play a high press. Especially now you can name 5 subs from 9, so you are likely going through 7 or 8 a game, and more often than not at least 1 or 2 will be missing through injury. We never want to get to the stage where you dont have enough options on the bench to bring on fresh legs. If we get a right winger and a striker that are good enough, fine. I fear that we wont even get 2, just 1. That wouldnt be enough, either bodies or crucially quality. For what its worth, we have lost Dolan, Weimann, ACD, Dennis and Woodrow from last season. Obviously 3 of those 5 were crap, 2 are big losses. But even if we did sign 3 more attackers, we would only be back to where we were numerically, and even then at times with injuries we were light on the bench. 1 Quote
This thread is brought to you by theterracestore.com Enter code `BRFCS` at checkout for an exclusive discount!
Paul Mani Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) FWIW I think the plan is to sign / have two senior or first team standard players for each position. Then back up with the academy where they have one ready: GK - Toth, Pears (Michalski) RB - Miller, Alebiosu (Montgomery) Lcb - Wharton, McLauchlanΒ Rcb - Hyam, CarterΒ LB - Ribeiro, Pickering DM - Sonny, Forshaw, (Montgomery) CM - Trav, TavaresΒ AM - Cantwell, Henriksson (Tyjon) RAM - NEW, Hedges LAM - De Neve, Kargbo ST - Ohashi, Gueye, (Leonard) (Tyjon) Based on this, the only glaring need is RAM, which is aligned to what Rudy / VI are saying. The rest will come down to any sales and replacements. I reckon after the RAM, youβre looking at a loan to cover Carter, a keeper if / when Pears leaves, and Baradji if / when Trav leaves. Fully expect Buckley and probably Garrett to leave permanently, with the likes of Duru and Batty to go out on loan. Will likely be a question of which of the other academy grads they believe are good enough to play out of Pratt? Edmondson? Mularkey Matthews? Letβs see. Also - I personally like the idea of Myoshi, who would be a great addition, but I just donβt see it, unless itβs much cheaper than Β£2m. We wouldnβt drop that money on a 28yr old with no resell potential. I have no doubt, heβs βon The listβ but it wouldnβt surprise me if the story has been leaked from his camp to flush out buyers. The only way I see it happening is for a much reduced fee. Iβm also dubious about the way this has come out, because players we sign donβt tend to come out like this. We donβt seem to court them publicly, it usually goes from 0-100 fast.Β Edited 4 hours ago by Paul Mani Quote
yankfan Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Could you beam Trav for not signing a new contract? Β Sure heβs our captain and came up through our academy, but it was just 2 years ago we sent him out on loan to save on wages. Basically telling him heβs not good enough, then a year later he started nearly every match and was our captain. Doesnβt exactly make you feel like the club truly values him 1 Quote
KentExile Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 18 minutes ago, yankfan said: Could you beam Trav for not signing a new contract? Β Sure heβs our captain and came up through our academy, but it was just 2 years ago we sent him out on loan to save on wages. Basically telling him heβs not good enough, then a year later he started nearly every match and was our captain. Doesnβt exactly make you feel like the club truly values him Or it could have been that JDT didn't rate him, but others at the club did, which is why he was loaned rather than sold so that he was still here for when JDT (who was unhappy & had already apparently offered to resign at least once at this point) leftΒ The main issue for me was once JDT did leave & once Championship football was secured on the last day of the season, that contracts were not immediately offered (at decent Championship pay rates) for Travis, Tronstad & Brittain in the summer of 2024.Β But as ever, Rovers tried to kick the can down the road for an extra year to save a few quid.Β That is what will have told those players that they were not valued as highly as perhaps they should be 2 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago https://x.com/RoversXtra/status/1953703013333577950?t=2AMKh-RBUbF_ORFaJX_Jfg&s=19 Β I could see Hyam being sold to finance this transfer - assume it's bollocks though. Quote
KentExile Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said: https://x.com/RoversXtra/status/1953703013333577950?t=2AMKh-RBUbF_ORFaJX_Jfg&s=19 Β I could see Hyam being sold to finance this transfer - assume it's bollocks though. We were linked with him before McLoughlin signed, as he was one of the left footed options looked a,but it would seem a strange decision to revisit that with Wharton & McLoughlin now both here, fit & available Especially at the reported price 1 Quote
BankEnd Rover Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, KentExile said: We were linked with him before McLoughlin signed, as he was one of the left footed options looked a,but it would seem a strange decision to revisit that with Wharton & McLoughlin now both here, fit & available Especially at the reported price Agreed, it'll be an outdated link or his agent.Β Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 hours ago, Paul Mani said: FWIW I think the plan is to sign / have two senior or first team standard players for each position. Then back up with the academy where they have one ready: GK - Toth, Pears (Michalski) RB - Miller, Alebiosu (Montgomery) Lcb - Wharton, McLauchlanΒ Rcb - Hyam, CarterΒ LB - Ribeiro, Pickering DM - Sonny, Forshaw, (Montgomery) CM - Trav, TavaresΒ AM - Cantwell, Henriksson (Tyjon) RAM - NEW, Hedges LAM - De Neve, Kargbo ST - Ohashi, Gueye, (Leonard) (Tyjon) Based on this, the only glaring need is RAM, which is aligned to what Rudy / VI are saying. The rest will come down to any sales and replacements. I reckon after the RAM, youβre looking at a loan to cover Carter, a keeper if / when Pears leaves, and Baradji if / when Trav leaves. Fully expect Buckley and probably Garrett to leave permanently, with the likes of Duru and Batty to go out on loan. Will likely be a question of which of the other academy grads they believe are good enough to play out of Pratt? Edmondson? Mularkey Matthews? Letβs see. Also - I personally like the idea of Myoshi, who would be a great addition, but I just donβt see it, unless itβs much cheaper than Β£2m. We wouldnβt drop that money on a 28yr old with no resell potential. I have no doubt, heβs βon The listβ but it wouldnβt surprise me if the story has been leaked from his camp to flush out buyers. The only way I see it happening is for a much reduced fee. Iβm also dubious about the way this has come out, because players we sign donβt tend to come out like this. We donβt seem to court them publicly, it usually goes from 0-100 fast.Β I agree that's the plan - but for mine Leonard needs a season starting in L1 (or L2 until Christmas if we can't find him an acceptable L1 role - he NEEDS football). Sitting on the bench after so long out will do him no favours. Along with that CM, and assuming we keep Tyjon, we need a starting RW who's bloody good and then I'd be inclined to loan a third choice CF from a PL team to give us an option off the bench. Preferably one with pace - in fact that's the one attribute I'd target above all else with that loan. If you look at other mid-table and above teams, they all have attacking options on the bench to throw on.Β Currently we have the option of sticking Ohashi at 10 behind Gueye (depending on which one starts) and erm... Kargbo as an impact sub? If anyone loses form or gets injured we're really scratching around in attack. 1 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago That nade link is nonsense or well outdated Quote
roversfan99 Posted 44 minutes ago Posted 44 minutes ago 4 hours ago, Paul Mani said: FWIW I think the plan is to sign / have two senior or first team standard players for each position. Then back up with the academy where they have one ready: GK - Toth, Pears (Michalski) RB - Miller, Alebiosu (Montgomery) Lcb - Wharton, McLauchlanΒ Rcb - Hyam, CarterΒ LB - Ribeiro, Pickering DM - Sonny, Forshaw, (Montgomery) CM - Trav, TavaresΒ AM - Cantwell, Henriksson (Tyjon) RAM - NEW, Hedges LAM - De Neve, Kargbo ST - Ohashi, Gueye, (Leonard) (Tyjon) Based on this, the only glaring need is RAM, which is aligned to what Rudy / VI are saying. The rest will come down to any sales and replacements. I reckon after the RAM, youβre looking at a loan to cover Carter, a keeper if / when Pears leaves, and Baradji if / when Trav leaves. Fully expect Buckley and probably Garrett to leave permanently, with the likes of Duru and Batty to go out on loan. Will likely be a question of which of the other academy grads they believe are good enough to play out of Pratt? Edmondson? Mularkey Matthews? Letβs see. Also - I personally like the idea of Myoshi, who would be a great addition, but I just donβt see it, unless itβs much cheaper than Β£2m. We wouldnβt drop that money on a 28yr old with no resell potential. I have no doubt, heβs βon The listβ but it wouldnβt surprise me if the story has been leaked from his camp to flush out buyers. The only way I see it happening is for a much reduced fee. Iβm also dubious about the way this has come out, because players we sign donβt tend to come out like this. We donβt seem to court them publicly, it usually goes from 0-100 fast.Β Not enough goals or speed in that squad. You need more than that in the attacking areas quantity wise too especially if you plan to press high. Quote
MarkBRFC Posted 40 minutes ago Posted 40 minutes ago 13 hours ago, ROVER_N_OUT1978 said: I call bull, we wouldnt sell our captain on the eve of the new season surelyΒ Are you new to venkys rovers?! 11 hours ago, Tomphil2 said: We start with Travis and Trondstat and try and get as many points as possible on the board first few months then gradually integrate a new look midfield.Β Trav is ok with this as they've a gentleman's agreement he'll see out his contract and leave or be sold/loaned in Jan if he's out of the team. Or is that far too sensible. I do actually think that is the plan, if they persist with Baradji then come the opening day of next season our midfield 3 will be Baradji, Taveres & Henriksson replacing Trav, Tronstad and Cantwell. 8 hours ago, Andy said: The funniest part of all these ex-Rovers joining Eustace is, once he fucks off the moment another club shows the slightest bit of interest in him, they'll all be stuck at a club like Derby. Better there than being stuck at venkys rovers you could argue. 1 Quote
Ricky Posted 27 minutes ago Posted 27 minutes ago Interesting people saying Myoshi has no sell on value at 28. I disagree. Birmingham have paid β¬9m for Kyogi who is 30. Iβm sure he could still recoup a profit in 2 years if he performs here. 2 Quote
RoyWegerlesLeftToe Posted 18 minutes ago Posted 18 minutes ago On paper I don't mind losing trav and hyam for profit with suitable replacements. But on the eve of the season, come on guys...Β Quote
Paul Mani Posted 17 minutes ago Posted 17 minutes ago 1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said: I agree that's the plan - but for mine Leonard needs a season starting in L1 (or L2 until Christmas if we can't find him an acceptable L1 role - he NEEDS football). Sitting on the bench after so long out will do him no favours. Along with that CM, and assuming we keep Tyjon, we need a starting RW who's bloody good and then I'd be inclined to loan a third choice CF from a PL team to give us an option off the bench. Preferably one with pace - in fact that's the one attribute I'd target above all else with that loan. If you look at other mid-table and above teams, they all have attacking options on the bench to throw on.Β Currently we have the option of sticking Ohashi at 10 behind Gueye (depending on which one starts) and erm... Kargbo as an impact sub? If anyone loses form or gets injured we're really scratching around in attack. Agreed - I think theyβve still got to have a couple of exciting forward loans in the pipeline to beef up squad depth. Pace would be great. Β 24 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Not enough goals or speed in that squad. You need more than that in the attacking areas quantity wise too especially if you plan to press high. Yes, I would tend to agree on both points but it does appear to be the plan. in terms of goals, I suppose we have to trust VI. Heβs watching them play day in, day out and you donβt get the impression that heβs unhappy with the plan or hankering after another striker. I donβt see any reason why Ohashi and Gueye canβt get 25 between them. Meaning youβre looking for 40 from the other attacking players (looks short) and then a sprinkling from our midfield and defenders. But we look REALLY light on numbers for when injuries come along. Hopefully we will pad the squad out with a few loans at the end of the window. Quote
roversfan99 Posted 13 minutes ago Posted 13 minutes ago (edited) 5 minutes ago, Paul Mani said: Agreed - I think theyβve still got to have a couple of exciting forward loans in the pipeline to beef up squad depth. Pace would be great. Β Yes, I would tend to agree on both points but it does appear to be the plan. in terms of goals, I suppose we have to trust VI. Heβs watching them play day in, day out and you donβt get the impression that heβs unhappy with the plan or hankering after another striker. I donβt see any reason why Ohashi and Gueye canβt get 25 between them. Meaning youβre looking for 40 from the other attacking players (looks short) and then a sprinkling from our midfield and defenders. But we look REALLY light on numbers for when injuries come along. Hopefully we will pad the squad out with a few loans at the end of the window. Im not sure however we sign necessarily means that Ismael has specifically asked for that number. Even if he doesnt kick up a fuss, he isnt in control of finances. Even if the budget only stretches in terms of fees for another winger. And I get why we would prioritise permanent signings. We would be stupid not to then loan a couple on top. Extra pace and depth as you say and also extra quality. Edited 12 minutes ago by roversfan99 Quote
pick32 Posted 5 minutes ago Posted 5 minutes ago Donβt mind losing Hyam but we have lost allot of championship experience and English players, we must keep Trav Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.