Moderation Lead K-Hod Posted 4 hours ago Moderation Lead Posted 4 hours ago 47 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said: I understand selling him, but really what are we getting by loaning him Justifying the appointment of Jordan Rhodes? 2 Quote
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TommyRovers Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago I have high expectations from Gudjohnson. I believe he will be the next big money sale we do. Mixed about Gueye. Great character but still not convinced he’s good enough for championship level. still…. Rather slim on cover already. Any decent free strikers not named Bamford?  Quote
roversfan99 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Tom said: He’s not worked out how I wanted, when the balance of ‘he’s been awful today’ to ‘actually maybe there’s something there when it clicks’ was more like 70/30 I was thinking we had a real chance of getting the most out of him. Sadly that balance is now more like 90/10 (being kind), when he’s good he’s really good but it seems more and more a case of his physicality working rather than much more. I think he has only been really good on one occasion. West Brom away. Has obvious physicality but hard to find a poorer finisher or a player lacking as much intelligence as shown by the amount of attacks breaking down when he fails to even try to time his run properly. I also think at times towards the end of last season in particular, he has appeared petulant rather than with a point to prove. Quote
wilsdenrover Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 5 hours ago, Tomphil2 said: Thing is the court case has been used as largely the reason this is happening now but way before it came to light we had the Lenihen, Nyambe, Rothwell saga's. Perhaps we are paying in a way for that now i'm sure if the owners were aware of it they can't have been happy with that at all, then there was BBD and 7 million and 4 years of coaching and wages flushed down the bog. Why is the shadowman still anywhere near the club ? Is this his way of trying to pay them back and atone for his errors ? If we listened back to some of Mowbray's hints in interviews towards the end of his reign they knew this was coming. We didn’t know it at the time but the investigation into the Venkys started prior to these players leaving. Edited 4 hours ago by wilsdenrover 1 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 25 minutes ago, K-Hod said: Justifying the appointment of Jordan Rhodes? Cos Rhodes is going to have to play? 1 Quote
benhben Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) Ive watched Gueye live enough times now to know hes truly awful. Its clear he'll never be any good at championship level. The only way I see him being effective is if the team was set up for him to minimise him having the ball at his feet. Direct style of play and Two wingers putting crosses in towards his head. Thats not gonna happen though. I'd rather sell for a fee and get cover in on loan. On another note, I know nothing about him but the Birmingham Facebook page had lots of comments about it was silly of them to let TGH leave and was generally positive comments about him. Well see. Edited 4 hours ago by benhben 1 Quote
Devon Rover Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, benhben said: Ive watched Gueye live enough times now to know hes truly awful. Its clear he'll never be any good at championship level. The only way I see him being effective is if the team was set up for him to minimise him having the ball at his feet. Direct style of play and Two wingers putting crosses in towards his head. Thats not gonna happen though. I'd rather sell for a fee and get cover in on loan. Agreed on ability and style of team that he'd need. In terms of selling or loaning him - I don't really care, to be honest. Either way, we aren't going to use the sale money and/or wage saving to invest in the team. The money we have received from other sales in the transfer window (and previously) primarily subsidises and mitigates Venkys' losses and inability (unwillingness) to invest. In my mind, the more money we bring in through player sales, the longer Venkys can drag out the destruction of Blackburn Rovers. If we have to get rid of Gueye for financial reasons then, on balance and outside of the window, I'd favour loaning him out and hoping he finds a semblance of form that enables him to contribute something more to our team on his return. Because we aren't likely to replace him with anything much better. Quote
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Any “ free “ players now are “ free “ for a reason. 5 Quote
neophox Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Why selling Gueye now? What if Yuki and Gudjohnsen gets injured? Shambles of club 1 Quote
neophox Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago The one who could get the best of Gueye was David Lowe ... 1 Quote
neophox Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 3 hours ago, RoyWegerlesLeftToe said: I'm predicting Pears off to Turkey too. Will make sorting his hairline easier...  Think he will go somewhere with the window still open. Quote
KentExile Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 4 minutes ago, neophox said: Why selling Gueye now? What if Yuki and Gudjohnsen gets injured? Shambles of club To save a wage, its all about cost cutting 2 minutes ago, neophox said: The one who could get the best of Gueye was David Lowe ... Maybe he will be loaned to Turkey too? Just now, neophox said: Think he will go somewhere with the window still open. Loan one, get 2 free? Quote
XLM Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 6 hours ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: ... but let’s bite - Adam Wharton went to palace what does that say about him? ... Erm... Just... What? This conversation is what I imagine an aneurysm feels like. All I said was Hyam is an average championship defender, and I'd rather we kept him. Thanks for reminding me why I don't post things on the internet. Innabit. Quote
neophox Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 16 minutes ago, benhben said: Ive watched Gueye live enough times now to know hes truly awful. Its clear he'll never be any good at championship level. The only way I see him being effective is if the team was set up for him to minimise him having the ball at his feet. Direct style of play and Two wingers putting crosses in towards his head. Thats not gonna happen though. I'd rather sell for a fee and get cover in on loan. On another note, I know nothing about him but the Birmingham Facebook page had lots of comments about it was silly of them to let TGH leave and was generally positive comments about him. Well see. He had some games he was amazing...the game WBA away springs to mind....he has potential but need the right management Quote
roversfan99 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 2 minutes ago, neophox said: He had some games he was amazing...the game WBA away springs to mind....he has potential but need the right management Any others? Or did you mean "a game where he was amazing." 3 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 35 minutes ago, XLM said: Erm... Just... What? This conversation is what I imagine an aneurysm feels like. All I said was Hyam is an average championship defender, and I'd rather we kept him. Thanks for reminding me why I don't post things on the internet. Innabit. If that’s what it feels like it’s likely because your losing track of what you have said which is understandable considering most of it’s rubbish you didn’t just say he’s average you said his best attributes were availability and disciplinary record. You dismissed his poty award and went on to try finishing 7th is irrelevant etc then here’s the kicker you said only Wrexham wanted him a team you reckon are just a mid table champ club insinuating that because there was no ‘bigger’ team in for him like as you said a sheff u that means he is just average….hence my example above Quote
Hasta Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Going back to Hyam my view is that he is a bang average, middle of the road centre back. However in the last 10 years what better centre backs have we had that we have owned? There's a couple that spring to mind but they aren't massively better (and both were pretty experienced). It's not a position we've been blessed in. Quote
NeilInBristol Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said: I understand selling him, but really what are we getting by loaning him Has he been loaned? Quote
NeilInBristol Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, Tim Southampton Rover said: I keep reading comments on social media saying we shouldn't play Tyjon over Gueye because he isn't ready, and I understand that, however, i'd rather Tyjon come off the bench and earn experience and given a chance as well as potentially signing a new contract than playing Gueye, who isn't good enough, and then see Tyjon walk out the door. Ideally, we wouldn't be relying on a recently turned 17 year old or a league one level forward but that's the cards we have. I'd gamble on Tyjon because I don't think he'd give us any less than Gueye would playing V.I's system. Even at 17, he's a smarter player and we've seen in pre-season that he is able to time his runs and can hit the net.   The club will be playing tyjon because the club will want to sell him as soon as they can get anything for him - youth is the future of the club and that’s not for our benefit unfortunately that’s for the owners Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 7 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said: The club will be playing tyjon because the club will want to sell him as soon as they can get anything for him - youth is the future of the club and that’s not for our benefit unfortunately that’s for the owners Why hasn’t he played then? Doesn’t  matter if Gueye is here or not I just think Val doesn’t see him as a viable option problem Val has is as you say the club see him as a prized asset - something has to give sooner rather than later Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said: We didn’t know it at the time but the investigation into the Venkys started prior to these players leaving. But they knew what was coming. Quote
den Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 3 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said: Are we talking about the same Dennis ? The one we had on loan last season ? He was beyond shite. A complete waste of money. And we want to do it again ? Crazy. Yeah, but it’s to do with ceilings or something. Ive got a brill idea. Why don’t we sack Gestede, get rid of Pasha and get a manager who knows the Championship and  knows a good player when he sees one. You know, like it used to be. 2 Quote
rigger Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, roversfan99 said: I think he has only been really good on one occasion. West Brom away. Has obvious physicality but hard to find a poorer finisher or a player lacking as much intelligence as shown by the amount of attacks breaking down when he fails to even try to time his run properly. I also think at times towards the end of last season in particular, he has appeared petulant rather than with a point to prove. A good forward will time his run to coincide with the ball arriving in the box. Not try to beat an off-side trap, although with Gueye, it doesn't have to be much of a trap. Quote
Old Codger Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 5 minutes ago, den said: Yeah, but it’s to do with ceilings or something. Ive got a brill idea. Why don’t we sack Gestede, get rid of Pasha and get a manager who knows the Championship and  knows a good player when he sees one. You know, like it used to be. Seconded! And this is what is wrong with the game these days..https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c62l5qz9jwgo  Quote
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