v Birmingham City (h) - 16/8/25

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1 hour ago, Hasta said:

Senior player. Probably not happy Eustace left. Decent wage.

Probably look to the door soon too

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He’s on his way into my Blackburn Rovers worst 11.

How many of that eleven are pre Venkys?

[Bbrovers2288]

26 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

i said earlier,he`s worse than markanday,who we gave away,there was obviously no scouting going on watching him,got to be all agents spiel who got him sold to us

Certainly hard to see what anyone saw in him other than pace but surely that’s not all you need to be a worthy target. Looks like a million amateur football players up and down the uk. Whoever is our scout for attacking players needs got rid of, clearly not doing basic research 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

15 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

How many of that eleven are pre Venkys?

Hardly any.

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1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Thing that occurred to me was, even if you mess up the corner and'/or think it struck someone's arm, that shouldn't automatically mean you concede at the other end!

Precisely, the big clue is you're nowhere near your own goal!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

22 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

We have never lost the opening 4 games of a league season in our history.

 

We have broke a lot of Club records under the Pune Loons for all the wrong reasons....you just know its happening!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

We have broke a lot of Club records under the Pune Loons for all the wrong reasons....you just know its happening!

At least we’ve kept the “ losing to newly promoted teams record “ going.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

28 minutes ago, norwichblue said:

Don’t recommend going on their forum. They truly are an insufferable club with insufferable fans.

Dont go on Youtube either....they are bigger than God.

[StHelensRover]

5 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Dont go on Youtube either....they are bigger than God.

1 trophy in 150 years

1 trophy per million residents

Massive club.

[StHelensRover]

Just watched the goals back on ITV. I remember at the time thinking how it was a really shit corner, but it takes an absolute age for the ball to end up in the back of the net at the other end. The defending against their counter attack is even worse than the corner. Comically bad. Someone needed to commit a professional foul and take the booking, then we almost certainly get a point from a below average performance and we aren't all as angry as we are now. 

[chaddyrovers]

Some more thoughts

First half we were compact and defensive solid. Kept their front four quiet and in fact we didn't all game. What did the big money striker Kyogo do all game? nothing. We allowed their centre back the ball and tried to win it back when they forced to bring the ball forward. A couple of times, we could have used much better when we would it back. But overall happy with the first half and not conceded an early goal was a massive bonus. 

Second half, we started well and took a well deserved load. Great strike by Cantwell. He put a shift in and captain performance. Right decision to give him the captain armband.  After that we were solid and defending very well. Their front 4 still weren't having an impact and quiet. Birmingham were creating nothing.  Karbgo had a great header chance but drifted just well. Ohashi couldn't get his shot off. 

I've now seen the penalty foul, think Laird is looking for it but there is contact from Miller. Even after that it was us attacking them and looking for winner which Gueye almost did. Good save by their keeper. 

For that final corner, we should have not throw everyone in the box like we did and it was poor corner but if you had 2 players on the edge of the box and 1 back, we don't lose that game, I would have taken a point at that stage.. Someone told Taveras to take the corner, I don't know who. 

Alebiosu had a very good game and him going off, we missed him after. Also Hyam and Mcloughlin had a good game. Toth barely owt to do. Hedges had a more than decent game. Cantwell was good and Karbgo shown what he is about from the right side. 

Does anyone know what was thrown at Stansfield at full time? 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by chaddyrovers

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21 minutes ago, StHelensRover said:

1 trophy in 150 years

1 trophy per million residents

Massive club.

Should of had that on the led sign outside

[Hasta]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Alebiosu had a very good game and him going off, we missed him after. Also Hyam and Wharton had a good game. Toth barely owt to do. Hedges had a more than decent game. Cantwell was good and Karbgo shown what he is about from the right side. 

Fair summary, except I presume you mean McLaughlin. Wharton only came on at the end.

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5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Some more thoughts

First half we were compact and defensive solid. Kept their front four quiet and in fact we didn't all game. What did the big money striker Kyogo do all game? nothing. We allowed their centre back the ball and tried to win it back when they forced to bring the ball forward. A couple of times, we could have used much better when we would it back. But overall happy with the first half and not conceded an early goal was a massive bonus. 

Second half, we started well and took a well deserved load. Great strike by Cantwell. He put a shift in and captain performance. Right decision to give him the captain armband.  After that we were solid and defending very well. Their front 4 still weren't having an impact and quiet. Birmingham were creating nothing.  Karbgo had a great header chance but drifted just well. Ohashi couldn't get his shot off. 

I've now seen the penalty foul, think Laird is looking for it but there is contact from Miller. Even after that it was us attacking them and looking for winner which Gueye almost did. Good save by their keeper. 

For that final corner, we should have not throw everyone in the box like we did and it was poor corner but if you had 2 players on the edge of the box and 1 back, we don't lose that game, I would have taken a point at that stage.. Someone told Taveras to take the corner, I don't know who. 

Alebiosu had a very good game and him going off, we missed him after. Also Hyam and Wharton had a good game. Toth barely owt to do. Hedges had a more than decent game. Cantwell was good and Karbgo shown what he is about from the right side. 

 

Actually stood and applauded Hedges. He was hunting down, applying pressure made some well timed tackles and kept the ball. So fair play to him and I've ripped him in the past. 

 

[StHelensRover]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Some more thoughts

First half we were compact and defensive solid. Kept their front four quiet and in fact we didn't all game. What did the big money striker Kyogo do all game? nothing. We allowed their centre back the ball and tried to win it back when they forced to bring the ball forward. A couple of times, we could have used much better when we would it back. But overall happy with the first half and not conceded an early goal was a massive bonus. 

Second half, we started well and took a well deserved load. Great strike by Cantwell. He put a shift in and captain performance. Right decision to give him the captain armband.  After that we were solid and defending very well. Their front 4 still weren't having an impact and quiet. Birmingham were creating nothing.  Karbgo had a great header chance but drifted just well. Ohashi couldn't get his shot off. 

I've now seen the penalty foul, think Laird is looking for it but there is contact from Miller. Even after that it was us attacking them and looking for winner which Gueye almost did. Good save by their keeper. 

For that final corner, we should have not throw everyone in the box like we did and it was poor corner but if you had 2 players on the edge of the box and 1 back, we don't lose that game, I would have taken a point at that stage.. Someone told Taveras to take the corner, I don't know who. 

Alebiosu had a very good game and him going off, we missed him after. Also Hyam and Wharton had a good game. Toth barely owt to do. Hedges had a more than decent game. Cantwell was good and Karbgo shown what he is about from the right side. 

 

Your analysis boiled down:

1st half, we didn't have a single shot on target so you've said we were compact and solid.

2nd half, you have said that Todd Cantwell's fortunate (but extremely well taken goal) was justification to make him captain of the football club. What? He didn't play Birmingham off the park. He was very average like everyone else, but a loose ball fell to him at a set piece, right place, right time. Great goal.

After that you say we were still really solid at defending despite the horrific defending which led to their penalty and the horrific defending that led to their winner. You're still trying to argue that the penalty was soft or whatever or that he was looking for it, he was tripped from behind. It was a clear penalty, clumsy from Miller but he had to try something as De Neve had let him straight in.

I cannot believe you think that was a good performance. Two shots on target, barely any possession, created nothing and defended poorly when Birmingham actually strung something together. If you got a neutral to read the stats, they would struggle to believe we played well. I've read the stats and watched the match with my own eyes, we did not play well. Anyone who thinks we did I think is bonkers.

Edited 2 hours ago by StHelensRover

[Devon Rover]

8 minutes ago, StHelensRover said:

Your analysis boiled down:

1st half, we didn't have a single shot on target so you've said we were compact and solid.

2nd half, you have said that Todd Cantwell's fortunate (but extremely well taken goal) was justification to make him captain of the football club. What? He didn't play Birmingham off the park. He was very average like everyone else, but a loose ball fell to him at a set piece, right place, right time. Great goal.

After that you say we were still really solid at defending despite the horrific defending which led to their penalty and the horrific defending that led to their winner. You're still trying to argue that the penalty was soft or whatever or that he was looking for it, he was tripped from behind. It was a clear penalty, clumsy from Miller but he had to try something as De Neve had let him straight in.

I cannot believe you think that was a good performance. Two shots on target, barely any possession, created nothing and defended poorly when Birmingham actually strung something together. If you got a neutral to read the stats, they would struggle to believe we played well. I've read the stats and watched the match with my own eyes, we did not play well. Anyone who thinks we did I think is bonkers.

Yes, i think that is three shots on target in 200+ minutes of Championship football. It is nowhere near good enough, yet no surprise based on the transfer dealings of the club. There is little to defend here.

[roversfan99]

21 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Some more thoughts

First half we were compact and defensive solid. Kept their front four quiet and in fact we didn't all game. What did the big money striker Kyogo do all game? nothing. We allowed their centre back the ball and tried to win it back when they forced to bring the ball forward. A couple of times, we could have used much better when we would it back. But overall happy with the first half and not conceded an early goal was a massive bonus. 

Second half, we started well and took a well deserved load. Great strike by Cantwell. He put a shift in and captain performance. Right decision to give him the captain armband.  After that we were solid and defending very well. Their front 4 still weren't having an impact and quiet. Birmingham were creating nothing.  Karbgo had a great header chance but drifted just well. Ohashi couldn't get his shot off. 

I've now seen the penalty foul, think Laird is looking for it but there is contact from Miller. Even after that it was us attacking them and looking for winner which Gueye almost did. Good save by their keeper. 

For that final corner, we should have not throw everyone in the box like we did and it was poor corner but if you had 2 players on the edge of the box and 1 back, we don't lose that game, I would have taken a point at that stage.. Someone told Taveras to take the corner, I don't know who. 

Alebiosu had a very good game and him going off, we missed him after. Also Hyam and Mcloughlin had a good game. Toth barely owt to do. Hedges had a more than decent game. Cantwell was good and Karbgo shown what he is about from the right side. 

Does anyone know what was thrown at Stansfield at full time? 

 

In what way did Kargbo show what he is about? 

[StHelensRover]

Just now, Devon Rover said:

Yes, i think that is three shots on target in 200+ minutes of Championship football. It is nowhere near good enough, yet no surprise based on the transfer dealings of the club. There is little to defend here.

I'm so angry at everything that is going on at the club. The performances in all three matches so far this season have been unacceptable IMO. Some people very carried away with pre season results. These three matches have not passed the eye test. I will not get on the players backs at the matches, I don't boo or jeer them. I do not think there is a lack of effort, there is a lack of organisation and actual ability in the squad and a general rot setting in throughout the club. 

We're level on points at the moment with the two Sheffield clubs. I wonder which one we'll be closer to by Xmas, Easter and May. 

[roverandout]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

In what way did Kargbo show what he is about? 

Because Ismael said so

[Atko's Engine]

So, overall the real kick in the teeth is the manner of the defeat, not the fact of it.

Brum are most people's choice for a top 8 spot, whereas we're predicted to struggle or at best be mid table; in that context, losing to them is no disgrace.

First half was a non event really; they bossed possession but only really created a couple of half chances. We looked to hit on the break & Cantwell spurned a glorious chance to put Kargbo clean through. 0-0 was fair, neither keeper was really troubled.

2nd half we started well, looked livelier & faster in the press & turned the ball over well. Cantwell scored a great volley. That proved to be the high point, as so often is the case. They built up a head of steam, but again didn't really create much. We missed a great chance you go 2 up when Kargbo crossed for Hyam who somehow headed it back across goal when it looked easier to aim for goal, & the chance went begging.

They continued to press, they made some changes & we responded. Their player thdn somehow got passed 3 of ours, went down & got a pen straight away, which was put away v confidently tbf.

Then the 11 minutes came up. After that I though we were excellent, really pushed for the winner. Gueye made a great header but was denied by an equally good save, we thdn continued to put pressure on with some long throws, free kicks & a couple of corners, & they were scrambling to keep us out.

However 1 corner proved our downfall. We naively went too gung ho & left ourselves exposed. The corner was poor & suddenly they broke on 5 to 1. Tbf I thought we'd survived it, but thdn a missed tackle saw the ball fall to Dykes & he got in a shot that trickled across goal & into the corner. 

Gutted is not the word. 

We should never have been in that position. We lost shape through the subs, albeit were unlucky as most were enforced through injury. But we also lost discipline & positioning & both their goals were gifts really (again).

Was their penalty fair? I thought at the time it was inevitable he'd go down with 3 players around him, but maybe I was wrong in that given some comments on here from others on here.

What wasn't fair was other decisions the ref gave. Ohashi was fouled countless times in the first half but got nothing for it other than a talking to from the ref for trying to stick up for himself. At 1-0 they got a free kick, ref told the player not to take it from where he'd placed the ball, but he did anyway and lumped it 60 yards, only for the ref yo pull it back. But no yellow card for kicking the ball away???

But my main gripe is the non penalty at 1-1. It was quite innocuous really but their defender clearly played the ball with his arm as it dropped from height. It was clear as day, but nothing given other than the corner that ultimately led to their 2nd goal.

Imo that's now 3 penalties not given in 3 games this season. Yet the ref couldn't give theirs quick enough (in front of their fans of course). It's certainly something to give pause for thought.

Game management was poor today, & I don't think the subs were at all right. Hopefully this shows what further work needs doing before the window closes.

I'm not going to go too OTT about today, or about losing our two opening league games as it's a tough schedule. But VI & the players really need to learn from today, as do Gestede & Pasha about signing some players with guile, creativity & a proper eye for goal.

I won't hold my breath.

 

 

 

[roversfan99]

Elliott Jackson gave 6 of our starting 11 an 8 out of 10 mark. Only Tavares failed to get above "par" and he played major roles in the concession of both goals.

Talk about low standards.

[Commondore]

18 minutes ago, ... said:

Actually stood and applauded Hedges. He was hunting down, applying pressure made some well timed tackles and kept the ball. So fair play to him and I've ripped him in the past. 

 

It was never in doubt how good he is at pressing and helping out his full back, it’s just that he’s near useless once we go behind.

[RTM08]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

In what way did Kargbo show what he is about? 

He showed he is a poor player with no end product, which has been consistent with what he seems to be about tbf.

[Herbie6590]

24 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Fair summary, except I presume you mean McLaughlin. Wharton only came on at the end.

According to the scoreboard…Wharton started 🤦‍♂️

[Commondore]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Elliott Jackson gave 6 of our starting 11 an 8 out of 10 mark. Only Tavares failed to get above "par" and he played major roles in the concession of both goals.

Talk about low standards.

Definitely seems like he’s under orders to not upset anyone at the club in order to retain access.