v Ipswich Town (h) - 02/12/25

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, arbitro said:

Same referee. Spot the difference.

 

You may not see this if Im already on ignore but for me he definitely got  the first one wrong.  The attacking player is heading into the corner anyway and arguably it's not even a foul he appears to trip over his own feet.

Not sure on how getting the first one wrong has any bearing on whether last night's decision was right or not.

[Crimpshrine]

3 hours ago, arbitro said:

He is going to get to the ball first and the likelihood of him controlling the ball was high.

• Likelihood of keeping or gaining control: Whether the attacker would have been able to control the ball.

So no red card if the player was Makhtar Gueye and not Morishita ?

[arbitro]

6 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

So no red card if the player was Makhtar Gueye and not Morishita ?

I don't know if you should have out an emoji after that but it's about the denial of the opportunity, not the players ability.

[RevidgeBlue]

6 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

So no red card if the player was Makhtar Gueye and not Morishita ?

I'd imagine you have to apply that guideline on the assumption all players are of equal ability. You can't award a red if it's Messi going through and a yellow if it's Gueye.

Opinions will presumably vary greatly on what constitutes an "obvious goalscoring opportunity" though. If you pull the incident last night back to the half way line would it still be one? Id say not but people might disagree.

 

[Penwortham Blue]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I was passing an opinion on Miller not attempting to be unpleasant towards you. He must have been responsible for at least half a dozen goals so far this season.

Don't think I've ever said Tronstad is "hopeless" pretty ordinary is more apt but either way my views on him are completely irrelevant to my views on Miller.

Apologies if you've taken umbrage at anything I've posted, it's a message board at the end of the day and I've merely posted my opinion, Im not attempting to upset anyone. I can't recall you taking particular exception to anything anyone else posted so if you don't like the stuff I post for whatever reason Id imagine the option is there to put me on ignore.

I don’t have anyone on ignore, everyone entitled to an opinion. You have a well versed opinion on Tronstad and now Miller, your perogative. My issue was with you arguing with Arbitro, a first class referee for many years and probably, the most respected person on the Board as to whether the official got it wrong on the red card call. From my vantage point in the JWL, I was 100% certain it was a red card but I haven’t seen it on the TV. If Arbitro had posted today that it wasn’t and their was a good case for the referee making his decision, I would be happy to accept it basis his fairness, professional credentials and long first hand experience.

[Bohinen1983]

Tavares really has been poor so far. Foreshaw was miles better!  Hope he picks up soon..

[RevidgeBlue]

20 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

I don’t have anyone on ignore, everyone entitled to an opinion. You have a well versed opinion on Tronstad and now Miller, your perogative. My issue was with you arguing with Arbitro, a first class referee for many years and probably, the most respected person on the Board as to whether the official got it wrong on the red card call. From my vantage point in the JWL, I was 100% certain it was a red card but I haven’t seen it on the TV. If Arbitro had posted today that it wasn’t and their was a good case for the referee making his decision, I would be happy to accept it basis his fairness, professional credentials and long first hand experience.

Thanks for the more measured reply. I've never put anyone on ignore either.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion on whether it was a red or not, the interpretation of the guidelines is fairly subjective. A lot have said it was a definite red, a few have said it definitely wasn't I'd fall somewhere in between "seen them given but wouldnt be surprised if it was a yellow either" camp.

I wasn't initially taking issue with Arbitro saying it was a definite red, that's his prerogative. I was taking issue with his support for Ismael producing "the list" and complaining of some sort of vendetta against us by referees which in my book is excuse making, nothing more nothing less.

Edited 4 hours ago by RevidgeBlue

[rigger]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You may not see this if Im already on ignore but for me he definitely got  the first one wrong.  The attacking player is heading into the corner anyway and arguably it's not even a foul he appears to trip over his own feet.

Not sure on how getting the first one wrong has any bearing on whether last night's decision was right or not.

I wonder if the ref was reprimanded for his first decision, thus leading to his second ?

[RevidgeBlue]

27 minutes ago, rigger said:

I wonder if the ref was reprimanded for his first decision, thus leading to his second ?

I was wondering if it caused him to be a bit more cautious surrounding the second.

[Hasta]

Having watched the replay, and this may be where the debate with Miller has come from, but how has a guy floated it from in his own half and it’s gone right over Millers head and someone brings it down in our box? That’s absolutely basic. 
 

We’ve got 5 at the back, everyone behind the ball and we are undone by the most basic of hoofs forward.

[Penwortham Blue]

2 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Some of you really need to take the blue n white specs off, 

morishita was a fair way out from the goal- difference between that other clip of the Luton player, plus Davies was covering, who is quick and morishita not so quick there is every chance he wins the ball before morishita even touches it, another point, the ball is bouncing over his head, at no point does he have it under control and finally the defender makes no motion to clip morishita, he gets tangled in his legs, a red would def be harsh. Iv seen them given and I agree the standard of refs in the league and particularly this season have been horrific but this is not one we can feel hard done by. I want to win fair and we would have done but for silly subs, game management and lack of concentration, that’s what we should be annoyed at not a non red 

It isn’t blue & white specs, just a clear red card, irrespective of the relative speeds of Morishita and Davis. Had it been Miller on Hirst or Akpon, it would still be the most blatant red card.

Your very valid point that the red card incident didn’t prevent us from seeing the game out, I couldn’t agree more.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Penwortham Blue

[Commondore]

There’s a case to be made that Mori (needlessly) goes down too easy in that situation and should be cautioned for diving, but then where does the yellow card to the Ipswich player come from? Just a monumental f***kup from the referee regardless of how you see the situation.

[Bbrovers2288]

1 hour ago, Penwortham Blue said:

It isn’t blue & white specs, just a clear red card, irrespective of the relative speeds of Morishita and Davis. Had it been Miller on Hirst or Akpon, it would still be the most blatant red card.

Your very valid point that the red card incident didn’t prevent us from seeing the game out, I couldn’t agree more.

 

 

It’s not a clear red though. Show us the intent of the Ipswich player to sweep his legs

show us where morishita had the bouncing ball under control , to get it under control would take some time and thus allowing the Ipswich defender more than enough time to get back, thus he is covering

id love it if he was sent off to make it easier for us but I call it as I see it, irrespective of what colour of shirt their are wearing 

[Penwortham Blue]

6 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

It’s not a clear red though. Show us the intent of the Ipswich player to sweep his legs

show us where morishita had the bouncing ball under control , to get it under control would take some time and thus allowing the Ipswich defender more than enough time to get back, thus he is covering

id love it if he was sent off to make it easier for us but I call it as I see it, irrespective of what colour of shirt their are wearing 

I think I would rather go with the majority and Arbitro on this one, unless your Howard Webb 😊

[chaddyrovers]

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

You often resort to suggesting that people are negative out of desperation.

I would suggested you look at your post and yesterday's performance dont match up one bit. Its was good overall much improved performance yet you never once mentioned in your original post. 

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

All of that to me is outweighed by the annoyance I felt coming away having seen us chuck away 2 points, conceding late AGAIN, watching the same horrendous subs (obviously not Cantwell) look out of their depth. Red card or no red card, we had the lead going into injury time, and under our control, we managed to fuck it up. You like Ismael seem keen to gloss over that completely and pin all of the blame on the referee, going down the woe is me route. We still had the win in our hands and threw it away. Again. Thats the concern to me, and thats the route of most of my annoyance.

I don't get this horrendous comment. Baradji is horrendous player? Based on what? 

Had the ref made the right decisions we would have been talking a Rovers win here. He has huge part in us not winning that game. Can you not see that? 

Did Ismael's subs have a negative impact on us not winning? Not for me apart Gueye who needs to go

 

Edited 41 minutes ago by chaddyrovers

[LDRover]

8 hours ago, arbitro said:

I honestly don't know how anyone can say that isn't a DOGSO.

As opposed to later on when Gueye came on when it was definite DOGSHIT

[Bbrovers2288]

52 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

I think I would rather go with the majority and Arbitro on this one, unless your Howard Webb 😊

Chat gpt said 50/50 but leaning on yellow , is that not more intelligent?

[aletheia]

Ref by robot soon? 😉 

[47er]

6 hours ago, Elrovers said:

Yeah but it’s bloody obvious he was getting there first

If he wasn't why did the defender foul him? He didn't accidentally make contact did he?

[chaddyrovers]

12 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Chat gpt said 50/50 but leaning on yellow , is that not more intelligent?

Oh well it must be true 🤔

[Herbie6590]

It’s that man again…