[Archived] Steve Kean

[den]

I don't believe any poster genuinely wants to see us relegated, but you can bet your bottom dollar that should the unthinkable happen then there will be certain posters happy and itching to say "I told you so".

They wont be happy, they would be completely infuriated at the way the club self destructed, and they would be totally validated in saying "I told you so".

[philipl]

Could someone please tell me what happened with the player mutiny?

David Dunn- most of the squad was gutted

Nelsen- "give us a clue"

"A disgrace"

Norwegian midfielder Morten Gamst Pedersen said: “Of course it’s as big a shock for me as for all you that the manager Big Sam has departed the club.

“We have absolutely not done badly this season and with victory against Bolton yesterday we would have been in a very comfortable sixth place.

“And the table situation does not reflect on how our performance has been in this year’s Premier League season.

"But this is the football game and the new owners want new ideas into the club.

“Therefore, I hope, and expect that the new manager is someone who is skilled enough and prolific enough to take us one step further.”

Club skipper Ryan Nelsen echoed Pedersen’s sentiments and admitted he was devastated by Allardyce’s departure.

“Just absolutely shocked and devastated for him,” he said.

“He had a fantastic relationship with all the players and he took the club out of the doldrums – we were in massive trouble – and with no money he’s solidified us.

“It has completely come out of the blue.”

Nicko it is dead easy for somebody who has a close information feed from inside Kentaro to mock fans who are not going to reveal sources or knowledge out of loyalty to the club. Just remember that the last time Jerome Anderson got as close as this to the running of a club, not even Sven Goran Erickson could manage the players revolt that erupted in a completely split dressing room.

[den]

He's the only one that felt the need to go public about it den. That's the point.

Samba didn't go public about wanting away for 12 months T4E. Steve Kean and Nicko were the one's who went public on that one.

[nicko]

Nicko it is dead easy for somebody who has a close information feed from inside Kentaro to mock fans who are not going to reveal sources or knowledge out of loyalty to the club. Just remember that the last time Jerome Anderson got as close as this to the running of a club, not even Sven Goran Erickson could manage the players revolt that erupted in a completely split dressing room.

Love you to stand that accusation up.

But, then again, you never do.

You said there was a player mutiny. That was just simply trash.

One player saw a chance to push his bid for a move.

Nelsen was distraught because he is a nice guy. He got over it because he is a pro.

Dunny is a good human being too. But he wasn't going to be looking for a move.

[Fife Rover]

Ha ha well Kean certainly showed some passion when Mame was mown down! Ha was hopping around furiously in the background!

The woman comment was a bit tic, to be fair, but it has been mentioned at least a couple of times and I felt it needed saying. Having said that, my own daughter is reading Sport Management at Loughborough University with the intention of emulating Karen Brady (though hopefully not with the porn brothers in tow!

The club is more important than anything. It is bound to be a worry when our historic club finds itself in a situation where it is owned by someone from another continent (and please don't start that racism nonsense, I have no time for any of that rubbish). The facts are, culturally there is a big difference and the Rao family would be well advised to seek the assistance of our own John Williams and Tom Finn to clarify matters pertaining to this issue.

Yes, I also understand the concerns about Steve Kean. However, there is something about him that suggests to me he is an honest man and he will do his utmost to prove himself, which as I have already said is not going to be easy given the problems with the playing staff at the moment.

The mistakes have been made now, there is no going back. We can do no more than go forward. And there is always the possibility that had Mrs D kept Big Sam on until the end of the season, she would have begun to hate the game rather than love it. Let's face it, there were many who were beginning to do that very thing.

I also understand completely your fears, Parsonblue, with your long association with Rovers you have seen and experienced things that many of us cannot comprehend and I know you and our other fans of many years would not wish to revisit certain times. Hopefully that will not happen and our great club can move forward through another successful phase in it's history.

Very good post Mum. Well said, and I just hope that our owners get round to reading that and a few others that have been written in similar vein recently.

[philipl]

Just look at your posts since 28 July nicko.

[FourLaneBlue]

Some posters just don't seem able to move on and give the impression that they'd rather see us relegated just to prove they were right about Allardyce's sacking.

Well, do us all a favour by helping out and stop going on about the ex-manager.

I, for one, am getting sick of the discussion purposely created to discuss the new bloke being about BFS and not our current manager.

The King is Dead,

Long Live the Kean.

Steve Kean is the manager now - whatever you feel about how or why he was appointed - so let's at least give him til the end of January and the transfer window before getting the knives out?

Er, well, yeah...exactly.

Nice to read this third paragraph after I had already responded to the other two.

Anyway...Keep up the good work!

[chris]

Who an earth is a Sam fan first, rovers fan second? Completely non-sensical statement.

I was a firm supporter of Allardyce and remain so, relegation would be armageddon for Rovers and for me Sam was the best bet to counter that. I would say jimk2, tony gales mic and others would say the same.

So you not following Sam to his next club? lol

[T4E]

Samba didn't go public about wanting away for 12 months T4E. Steve Kean and Nicko were the one's who went public on that one.

Samba, our captain, waited until we were in turmoil, then he went public. That's something I don't believe we should forgive quickly.

[S15]

Philip, your long winded post in no way suggests that there was any player 'mutiny,' just initial shock.

Can you not see these things when you spend half an hour typing them?

[Fife Rover]

We all know Jim's a Sam fan first - please explain that one, taking into consideration that he's supported Rovers for much longer than you have?

Also, who are the others?

Yes Den I was just thinking about that one too. I hope he was not including me in that little side-swipe, because although I was a Sam supporter whilst he was our manager and I certainly ranted about the way he was sacked (and I along with many others was right to do so) I am now a Steve Kean supporter. Why? Because he is the current manager......simple innit? I am and always have been a Rovers supporter which means the club, the team, and the manager. Always have been and always will be.

Also I would just like to point out that as far as being a "Sam fan first" is concerned that is just ludicrous. I have actually been a fully active Rovers fan since 1946, which I am sure is several years before Sam was even born!!

[yeti-dog]

Just look at your posts since 28 July nicko.

I'd say the same about your posts Philip but I fear I'd lose the will to live if.god forbid, I did have to revisit them again

Philip, your long winded post in no way suggests that there was any player 'mutiny,' just initial shock.

Can you not see these things when you spend half an hour typing them?

S15..that's so bang on the button there's nothing more to add.

[greco]

Samba, our captain, waited until we were in turmoil, then he went public. That's something I don't believe we should forgive quickly.

samba´s statements to me, sounded more like concern for the future of A.) himself and B.) the club. Mrs desai, with all her ramblings and dismissals, casued some havoc, which resulteds in his comments. By all means, fair comments from samba.

this is not directed at you t4e, but it´s a sign of a desperate man, one who has lost, not only the plot, but also the debate, when he claims, that any fan, would wish for kean and therefore blackburn to fail, Just to say i told you so.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Just look at your posts since 28 July nicko.

You've got some front. You've been making a prick of yourself on here for weeks.

samba´s statements to me, sounded more like concern for the future of A.) himself and B.) the club. Mrs desai, with all her ramblings and dismissals, casued some havoc, which resulteds in his comments. By all means, fair comments from samba.

We can all spin our own interpretations on Samba's words/actions. To me they were those of an opportunist who saw the chance to further his (and his agent's) desire for a big payday elsewhere and dress it up as something else.

[den]

We can all spin our own interpretations on Samba's words/actions. To me they were those of an opportunist who saw the chance to further his (and his agent's) desire for a big payday elsewhere and dress it up as something else.

You've just done the spinning there DGS.

Taking facts and putting your own interpretation on them = spinning.

[greco]

You've got some front. You've been making a prick of yourself on here for weeks.

We can all spin our own interpretations on Samba's words/actions. To me they were those of an opportunist who saw the chance to further his (and his agent's) desire for a big payday elsewhere and dress it up as something else.

if that´s the case, why didnt samba request to be transfer-listed..?

if samba wanted to leave, as desperately as nicko, keans newly appointed pr man, reported, he would just hand in a transfer-request, no if´s or but´s. He could even take it one step further, and throw his toys out of the pram, then his price would drop and a move, would be closer.

Samba´s comments actually resembled a lot of fans sentiments, regarding the takeover and the mixed signals sent from india.

[cruz]

How naive

If a player hands in a transfer request he loses money from laughable loyalty payments etc etc etc

Hence players only hand one in as an extreme last resort and generally sulk around the place whining secretly to the papers about their plight....poor mites

[roversmum]

Oscar, Kean was a client of Kentaro long long before this situation arose or was ever dreamed of. They would obviously be aware of his attributes, his record, his qualifications, his ambitions etc., so why would they not suggest giving him a chance in the short term? I know how many feel about the association with Kentaro, goodness, I have doubts myself, but I can see why they would back him and it's not his fault that Mrs Desai had early concerns about Sam's style - I was furious enough myself about the MU score and I hadn't just spent north of £43m on a club I had planned to use as a flagship.

At first I thought maybe Macca should have been given the chance of taking over, but on reflection I tend to agree that it was best he should go along with Sam. It's still very early days yet, unless there are massive problems I can't see the current situation changing.

[deftangel]

David Dunn- most of the squad was gutted

Nelsen- "give us a clue"

"A disgrace"

Norwegian midfielder Morten Gamst Pedersen said: “Of course it’s as big a shock for me as for all you that the manager Big Sam has departed the club.

“We have absolutely not done badly this season and with victory against Bolton yesterday we would have been in a very comfortable sixth place.

“And the table situation does not reflect on how our performance has been in this year’s Premier League season.

"But this is the football game and the new owners want new ideas into the club.

“Therefore, I hope, and expect that the new manager is someone who is skilled enough and prolific enough to take us one step further.”

Club skipper Ryan Nelsen echoed Pedersen’s sentiments and admitted he was devastated by Allardyce’s departure.

“Just absolutely shocked and devastated for him,” he said.

“He had a fantastic relationship with all the players and he took the club out of the doldrums – we were in massive trouble – and with no money he’s solidified us.

“It has completely come out of the blue.”

Nicko it is dead easy for somebody who has a close information feed from inside Kentaro to mock fans who are not going to reveal sources or knowledge out of loyalty to the club. Just remember that the last time Jerome Anderson got as close as this to the running of a club, not even Sven Goran Erickson could manage the players revolt that erupted in a completely split dressing room.

Almost none of which is in any way indicative of a "mutiny" or of any sizeable proportion of the squad wanting to leave. The decision to remove Sam was ill timed and badly handled. However, there are at least an equal number of quotes from players stating quite explicitly they do not want to leave including our very own Morten Gamst Pedersen. Words indeed, which were backed up with actions yesterday.

Your quite legitimate concerns on some of the goings on are consistently tarnished by the spin and wilful mis-representation. Most of what you've said about what Anderson is nothing more than conjecture at this point. What we do know however, is that not being a big club nor a media darling will mean ins and outs over the next month are going to be scrutinised extremely carefully and the authorities will not be lenient in punishing any misdoings. I'm finding it hard to envisage Mr Anderson shipping in a load of donkeys and walking off with £5m odd in fees as you have speculated at present.

Shock and disappointment at a shock departure are no more signs of player revolt or dressing room splits than an away win at West Brom is of the Rovers finishing in the top 5.

[greco]

How naive

If a player hands in a transfer request he loses money from laughable loyalty payments etc etc etc

Hence players only hand one in as an extreme last resort and generally sulk around the place whining secretly to the papers about their plight....poor mites

yeah what an out-this-world idea, a player handing in a transfer request, such a thing, has never happened before.

[greco]

Oscar, Kean was a client of Kentaro long long before this situation arose or was ever dreamed of. They would obviously be aware of his attributes, his record, his qualifications, his ambitions etc., so why would they not suggest giving him a chance in the short term? I know how many feel about the association with Kentaro, goodness, I have doubts myself, but I can see why they would back him and it's not his fault that Mrs Desai had early concerns about Sam's style - I was furious enough myself about the MU score and I hadn't just spent north of £43m on a club I had planned to use as a flagship.

At first I thought maybe Macca should have been given the chance of taking over, but on reflection I tend to agree that it was best he should go along with Sam. It's still very early days yet, unless there are massive problems I can't see the current situation changing.

do you really believe its a coincidence, that a SEM/kentaro client was hired as manager, even considering the fact, that he has been a client for some time..?

there could be other reasons.... but with the praise he got, from the no-fottball-knowledge owner, she must have had someone tell sweet things about kean, in hear night stories.

[patrickvalery]

West Ham weren't the bottom team in the league last season.

And jim is right, if you can't appreciate what a great job he did for Rovers then you are an idiot. If Venky's provide money this January that, together with the points accrued by Sam, should see us safe this season and who knows what will happen next. But if it wasn't for him we'd be in the Championship now.

Just scrolling through this thread and i have read you calling one poster an idot and accusing another of talking bullsh1t. You really need to learn to respect people's opinions.

[Valois]

Just scrolling through this thread and i have read you calling one poster an idot and accusing another of talking bullsh1t. You really need to learn to respect people's opinions.

Here here, for sure we like a democratic society on here, and for sure challange someone else's views/opinions, but also respect them, after all we are all Rovers are we not? Certainly no need to use abusive and offensiv language towards a fellow poster

[imy9]

if that´s the case, why didnt samba request to be transfer-listed..?

if samba wanted to leave, as desperately as nicko, keans newly appointed pr man, reported, he would just hand in a transfer-request, no if´s or but´s. He could even take it one step further, and throw his toys out of the pram, then his price would drop and a move, would be closer.

Samba´s comments actually resembled a lot of fans sentiments, regarding the takeover and the mixed signals sent from india.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/4082/1/exclusive-kean-denies-foul-play-promotion-manager

The facts based on the interview with Kean on Talksport:

1. Kean told the squad that he was going to India to find out the direction the club was going in.

2. Came back and Samba's agent told him that something was going to be in the national papers about Samba, Kean said: "His agent's been telling me he's been asking to leave the club for a year.

3. Samba said in the paper: "If this is the way the club's going to be run from now on, I don't want to be part of it and I want to leave.

Note the words 'from now on' implying that the single reason for him leaving is the direction of the club. This is a lie as has been shown by his agents comments. These are the facts, if Kean is lying then I am yet to see a statement from Chris correcting him.

IMO Passion came from the big Kiwi who clearly wore his heart on his sleeve. Samba was advised badly and as Club Captain should have thought about the club rather than himself.

[John]

It is such a strange and tight league table at the moment, maybe Kean really does believe we can finish top 5?