[Archived] The Rao's

[BooyakaSha]

Its a different story to saying that we have no choice but to stick with the Raos because no-one else will buy us.

But keep saying it if it eases the pain.

No-one wants to buy they don't want to sell, what difference does it make?

Unless someone more clueless comes along and makes Venkys an offer they can't refuse, which if they won't see them could only be done publicly to gain their attention anyway, we're still on the titanic whether we like it or not.

Personally if there WAS anyone clueless enough to buy them out who also had no connection to the club like another eastern conglomerate, I'm not even sure I'd want Venkys to sell as my fear would be they're even more clueless than Venkys to pay them a Premiership fee for a now Championship club, a shadow of what it was from top to bottom thanks to our marvelous "benefactors".

Would you?

[47er]

You really couldn't make it up! Your "argument" can be summed up as follows:

If anyone seriously wanted to buy this Club, they must be insane because the Club is so wrecked.

So best to stick with those who wrecked it!

[BooyakaSha]

You really couldn't make it up! Your "argument" can be summed up as follows:

If anyone seriously wanted to buy this Club, they must be insane because the Club is so wrecked.

So best to stick with those who wrecked it!

Again reading what you want read.

Out of politeness let me correct your incorrect summary of what you like to think I said:

If anyone seriously wanted to buy this Club AND PAY THE VENKYS WHAT THEY PAID FOR THE CLUB, they must be insane because the Club is so wrecked."

You're welcome.

The only thing that can't be made up here is the inability of certain posters to grasp plain English, let alone read between the lines or understand the point being made.

[thenodrog]

Equally insane to buy it in the first place 47er. BRFC (and indeed owning any football club these days) is a poisoned chalice. No more timely reminder of that than the current attempted blackmale by Yaya Toure. 250k pw is not enough these days it seems. Truth is whatever he gets won't be enough for his agent when the iron is so hot and the owners so irresponsibly rich. Hopefully it might persuade them that owning a club and dealing with overhyped and petualnt individuals is far from being the best way to climb the ladder of western society. Lets be honest the only Englishmen who seek any credibility from doing so are the likes of Fat Ashley and the Porn Twins.

[Paul]

The only thing that can't be made up here is the inability of certain posters to grasp plain English, let alone read between the lines or understand the point being made.

I had to read the post yoda criticised three times to understand your point and then it was only after you clarified your meaning.

If you are criticising people's ability to "grasp plain English" can I suggest you consider your sentence construction and punctuation more carefully.

People in glasshouses......

[ABBEY]

I appreciate Kamy's post about agents but you have to question the motives behind the Dabo and Songo'o signings. Wonder what their agents fees were?

Shhhh were stable dude.

Maybe you should learn to read, aappears to be a similar pattern to Abbey and Yoda, you only see what you want to see. I think my post was clear enough that its Venkys who would expect to recoup their investment despite dropping into the Championship.

Again not something that should need explaining..

it appears you need to learn to spell ! Mods mods mods he's picking on me mods mods

[JBiz]

Shhhh were stable dude.

it appears you need to learn to spell ! Mods mods mods he's picking on me mods mods

Could you point me in the direction of this evidence that proves what Stuart speculates?

Especially if your going to use it as if it's a fact. Especially considering that you often crow that what I say is "not fact"

[BooyakaSha]

Personally if there WAS anyone clueless enough to buy them out who also had no connection to the club like another eastern conglomerate, I'm not even sure I'd want Venkys to sell as my fear would be they're even more clueless than Venkys to pay them a Premiership fee for a now Championship club, a shadow of what it was from top to bottom thanks to our marvelous "benefactors".

Would you?

I had to read the post yoda criticised three times to understand your point and then it was only after you clarified your meaning.

If you are criticising people's ability to "grasp plain English" can I suggest you consider your sentence construction and punctuation more carefully.

People in glasshouses......

"I'm not even sure I'd want Venkys to sell as my fear would be they're even more clueless than Venkys to pay them a Premiership fee for a now Championship club, a shadow of what it was from top to bottom thanks to our marvelous "benefactors"."

Couldn't really be that much clearer. I won't disagree that it could be constructed better but it certainly doesn't read the way he read it - unless that's what he wanted to read. I'm as open to criticism as anyone else on my opinions but it does appear the same faces seem to appear to WANT to read into it as if I am defending Venkys and like the fact that they are here which is an insult and not conducive to any reasoned debate.

The facts are plain. We DON'T know what Venkys long term plans now that their "Champions League Football" plans have left us with Championship football, but as much as I hate to admit it, given that they've kept out of the way last season and allowed Shaw and GB to run the club and bring in some decent talent in a manner and finances more fittng to our current situation, that and the fact is the last thing we need right now is for them to walk away leaving us with the mess they created, I'd settle for them to continue as they are and hope we can pull it off without demanding any massive changes from them and I'm sure many fans attending this season will take that as well.

What I would like as I'm sure others would is some detail from them - not just reassurances - how they plan to deal with FFP and reduce our debt etc, which granted may not be possible until we know what we are hit with, but some communication would be much welcome.

On the flip side, unless someone with a proven track record of success like the Sheikh at City was to come along - highly umlikely as there are much more prospective clubs in the Premiership if money is indeed no object - I think I'd rather just stick with things as they are. I'm certain my ticker couldn't take a repeat of the debacle of the last few years.

Do I believe Venkys will eventually come good? Not really. As it stands even the option of throwing crazy money to accelerate a return to the Premiership is likely to incur stiff penalties and if anything, I would like to believe if they've learnt anything that chucking money at the problem doesn't guarantee instant success. The only thing they can do for us now is to let GB get on with it and leave the running of the club to those at Ewood.

Do I think Venkys had ulterior motives buying the club? Also No. They were taken for a ride by the crooks who introduced them to the club. If there's any conspiracy, my belief is its the one that happened before Venkys ever introduced themselves at Rovers. We cam piece some of this together from what we do know but its not like Venkys would ever come out and admit that they got played. It certainly didn't help that in that period they not only showed their unforgivable lack of knowledge of running a football club, from promising to attract the big names on what is now effectively a shoestring budget, to their damming statement that they didn't know we could get relegated.

In an ideal world justice would be that they would dangle the carrot to the fridge guy Kamy mentioned who comes good for us and Venkys turn their attention to a recently promoted Premier league club up the road to continue their champions league dreams... yes well its a sweet thought but life rarely works out that way does it?

[ABBEY]

Could you point me in the direction of this evidence that proves what Stuart speculates?

Especially if your going to use it as if it's a fact. Especially considering that you often crow that what I say is "not fact"

Can you prove otherwise?

[Kamy100]

I appreciate Kamy's post about agents but you have to question the motives behind the Dabo and Songo'o signings. Wonder what their agents fees were?

Songo - that one took a lot of time last summer, he was initially bought here on trial and did well in some of the pre-season friendlies. At the time GB was not sure how much money he would have (by the end of the January transfer window he had been given way more money than he expected) but when the decision to sign the likes of Marrow, Judge, Taylor and Songo was made there was a great deal of uncertainty so he picked up these freebies/extremely cheap signings thinking that the budget was going to be very limited.

Dabo - this I agree is a weird one, the official line is that he was recommended to GB senior who alerted GB. They did some background research on him and found that he had done relatively well in the Ligue 1 games that he had played last year, so they agreed to loan him with a view to permanent move in the summer if he did well. He came over and was not fully fit, once they got him upto speed, he didn't impress in the Under 21 games that he played. GB did not want to risk playing him in the end of season games as we were trying to get into the top 6. It will be interesting to see if we bring him back on loan for next season.

[Ricky]

I know it's a lower level but Songo'o seems to have impressed during his time in Scotland. He also did ok in the preseason games. I certainly wouldn't be too upset if we kept him as a back up for our 2 main CBs.

[JBiz]

Can you prove otherwise?

Kamy gives his opinion- I can concur with that, seems reasonable.

[Jimmy612]

To all the head in sand rose tinted Rao lovers

READ WHAT KAMY KNOWS ABOUT POTENTIAL NEW OWNERS

Head in sand .... Rao Lovers :lol: More rubbish from a poster that has gone further and further downhill in the last few months. I'm surprised you've got time to be on here, I thought you'd be busy chucking money at the opportunity to laud it with the Raos again.

Funny isn't it, the collection of people that are being most realistic about the situation are the ones 'who have their heads in the sand'. How is that exactly? Theno, Myself, Booyaka, DMTP etc have assessed the situation and realised that the best hope of this club to survive is by getting back into the PL and getting our slice of pie.

After the season of relative calm off the field, and solid progression on the field, I feel that next season we might just have a decent crack at promotion. We have a young squad with lots of talent and two strikers capable of scoring goals. Two or three additions in the right places and this is a very decent Championship side. Now; by the looks of it the Raos appear to have taken a back seat and are allowing GB and Shaw to carry on doing what they're doing. They have no intention of selling the club by the looks of it, and even if they did, the buying of a club can take months and months. We can't just click our fingers and have new owners like the scenario you seem to have dreamt up.

So that's why us sensible few are suggesting we go into next season with our FULL focus on the league campaign, and leave the Venkys in the background. We as a fan base can do NOTHING about who owns us and quite frankly when I'm at Ewood I never even think about them. I'm enjoying watching football again, I'm enjoying the revival in team spirit, and I'm enjoying the fact that we have a squad of hungry players prepared to do their best for the club.

We'd all love new owners and no-one wants the Raos at the club. But if we are to preserve this club and maintain it for years to come then what we need now is a boost in the arm by BT Sport and Sky Sports. We can't afford to wait any longer and quite frankly this idea of dropping down another division to rid ourselves of the Venkys is absolute @#/? suicide.

For now we are stuck with them; they won't sell, we can't force them too, and in the last year things have improved to a point where I can now go to Ewood with my nostrils free from the stench of corruption, greed and underhand dealings.

Anyway, this post won't really interest you I wouldn't have thought Yoda, you've not posted anything worthwhile in this thread for a good few weeks; but I hope others read it and can contribute to the debate.

[47er]

Maybe you should learn to read, aappears to be a similar pattern to Abbey and Yoda, you only see what you want to see. I think my post was clear enough that its Venkys who would expect to recoup their investment despite dropping into the Championship.

Again not something that should need explaining..

Less of the personal insults from someone who complains about the poor standing of moderation on the site thanks. I've never heard of you before but you've certainly hit the ground running on this topic haven't you?

You started out ,with others, insistent that our survival was dependent on the Raos' continued ownership. You've been shown to be wrong. As I've said all along, there are other prospective owners around, all it needs is for the Raos to sell. They are not the future, they are the major obstacle to our future.

You have switched the argument now to ----the Raos will not sell unless they get their money back, if anyone is willing to give them their money back they must be more stupid than the Raos and we'd be in worst trouble and the Raos won't sell anyway so its not worth discussing (this after filling this thread with pages and pages of this rubbish).

So you argue with the cat if you like, I'll continue to hope that these lunatics from Pune will one day crawl back under their stone and I can have my club back.

Equally insane to buy it in the first place 47er. BRFC (and indeed owning any football club these days) is a poisoned chalice. No more timely reminder of that than the current attempted blackmale by Yaya Toure. 250k pw is not enough these days it seems. Truth is whatever he gets won't be enough for his agent when the iron is so hot and the owners so irresponsibly rich. Hopefully it might persuade them that owning a club and dealing with overhyped and petualnt individuals is far from being the best way to climb the ladder of western society. Lets be honest the only Englishmen who seek any credibility from doing so are the likes of Fat Ashley and the Porn Twins.

No argument from me about the Rao's insanity Theno!

[BooyakaSha]

Head in sand .... Rao Lovers :lol: More rubbish from a poster that has gone further and further downhill in the last few months. I'm surprised you've got time to be on here, I thought you'd be busy chucking money at the opportunity to laud it with the Raos again.

Funny isn't it, the collection of people that are being most realistic about the situation are the ones 'who have their heads in the sand'. How is that exactly? Theno, Myself, Booyaka, DMTP etc have assessed the situation and realised that the best hope of this club to survive is by getting back into the PL and getting our slice of pie.

After the season of relative calm off the field, and solid progression on the field, I feel that next season we might just have a decent crack at promotion. We have a young squad with lots of talent and two strikers capable of scoring goals. Two or three additions in the right places and this is a very decent Championship side. Now; by the looks of it the Raos appear to have taken a back seat and are allowing GB and Shaw to carry on doing what they're doing. They have no intention of selling the club by the looks of it, and even if they did, the buying of a club can take months and months. We can't just click our fingers and have new owners like the scenario you seem to have dreamt up.

So that's why us sensible few are suggesting we go into next season with our FULL focus on the league campaign, and leave the Venkys in the background. We as a fan base can do NOTHING about who owns us and quite frankly when I'm at Ewood I never even think about them. I'm enjoying watching football again, I'm enjoying the revival in team spirit, and I'm enjoying the fact that we have a squad of hungry players prepared to do their best for the club.

We'd all love new owners and no-one wants the Raos at the club. But if we are to preserve this club and maintain it for years to come then what we need now is a boost in the arm by BT Sport and Sky Sports. We can't afford to wait any longer and quite frankly this idea of dropping down another division to rid ourselves of the Venkys is absolute @#/? suicide.

For now we are stuck with them; they won't sell, we can't force them too, and in the last year things have improved to a point where I can now go to Ewood with my nostrils free from the stench of corruption, greed and underhand dealings.

Anyway, this post won't really interest you I wouldn't have thought Yoda, you've not posted anything worthwhile in this thread for a good few weeks; but I hope others read it and can contribute to the debate.

Exactly that. Its been oft said that all Venkys had to do when they first came onto the scene was.. nothing. Maybe an occasional injection of cash in the transfer windows and maybe not even that given the financial windfall immediately after our relegation from Sky.

But hindsight is a wonderful thing and if we do get promoted and they STILL want to stick around, you'd hope they carry on doing much the same as they are currently and not try and play Fantasy football from thousands of miles away.

[BooyakaSha]

Less of the personal insults from someone who complains about the poor standing of moderation on the site thanks. I've never heard of you before but you've certainly hit the ground running on this topic haven't you?

You started out ,with others, insistent that our survival was dependent on the Raos' continued ownership. You've been shown to be wrong. As I've said all along, there are other prospective owners around, all it needs is for the Raos to sell. They are not the future, they are the major obstacle to our future.

You have switched the argument now to ----the Raos will not sell unless they get their money back, if anyone is willing to give them their money back they must be more stupid than the Raos and we'd be in worst trouble and the Raos won't sell anyway so its not worth discussing (this after filling this thread with pages and pages of this rubbish).

So you argue with the cat if you like, I'll continue to hope that these lunatics from Pune will one day crawl back under their stone and I can have my club back.

No argument from me about the Rao's insanity Theno!

"You have switched the argument now to ----the Raos will not sell unless they get their money back, if anyone is willing to give them their money back they must be more stupid than the Raos and we'd be in worst trouble and the Raos won't sell anyway so its not worth discussing (this after filling this thread with pages and pages of this rubbish)."

Nobody wants to buy us. Nobody with the money the Raos would contemplate Accepting given our current debt situation. I'm sure if stuck us on Gumtree for a few rupees stating they're willing to write our debts off we might just get a bite but that isnt exactly realistic is it?

[ABBEY]

Boo how much debt do you want building up before they pull the plug ? 100, 10000 million?

[broadsword]

"

Nobody wants to buy us. Nobody with the money the Raos would contemplate Accepting given our current debt situation

Are you sure?

How much money do these Saudis have then?

[thenodrog]

Boo how much debt do you want building up before they pull the plug ? 100, 10000 million?

Hardly relevant I'd suggest Abbey. The level of debt has already passed the club's ability to even fund the interest it never mind repay it! We are probably in a 'may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb' situation financially. Their are only two options imo..... the Rao's pay up or we go up. Either way we need them in the immediate future no matter what we think of them privately.

[Leonard Venkhater]

Exactly that. Its been oft said that all Venkys had to do when they first came onto the scene was.. nothing. Maybe an occasional injection of cash in the transfer windows and maybe not even that given the financial windfall immediately after our relegation from Sky.

But hindsight is a wonderful thing and if we do get promoted and they STILL want to stick around, you'd hope they carry on doing much the same as they are currently and not try and play Fantasy football from thousands of miles away.

While I can accept much of your argument for pragmatism, the issue for the fanbase/ stakeholders is one of trust...hearts and minds etc

As regards "all Venky's had to do, when they first came on the scene was nothing" I couldn't agree more. The problem is that they themselves indicated that was their intention, only to embark on a trail of wanton destruction.

So, alongside everything else, they really do need to plan a re-engagement strategy . That strategy will involve a few answers and messages about plans to deal with FFP etc. Reducing fans' anxiety would be more than useful. Better late than never...

[thenodrog]

Are you sure?

How much money do these Saudis have then?

Same as same as imo. Must say if I was a rich businessman looking at buying a club I'd have my eye on BRFC not cos of the potential to generate a return (cos we all know without the Prem gravy train that is very very limited because of the small fan base and the expectation of giveaway ST prices) but simply because of the facilities. My starting bid would simply be an offer to take it off their hands debt free when they are sick of chucking good money after bad. Not much chance of that I suppose.

The saudia situation could see another Saeed / Shah queuing in the wings. Alternatively they could be Uncle Jack mk 2. Whats your money on Bryan?

Reminds me of the old adage about marriage........... 'Look after the first cos the next might be worse'.

[BooyakaSha]

Same as same as imo. Must say if I was a rich businessman looking at buying a club I'd have my eye on BRFC not cos of the potential to generate a return (cos we all know without the Prem gravy train that is very very limited because of the small fan base and the expectation of giveaway ST prices) but simply because of the facilities. My starting bid would simply be an offer to take it off their hands debt free when they are sick of chucking good money after bad. Not much chance of that I suppose.

The saudia situation could see another Saeed / Shah queuing in the wings. Alternatively they could be Uncle Jack mk 2. Whats your money on Bryan?

Reminds me of the old adage about marriage........... 'Look after the first cos the next might be worse'.

Lol also the marriage adage of:

"Don't get married, just find a woman you really hate and BUY HER A HOUSE!"

Is also somewhat applicable. In this day of 250k a week footballers demanding more money as looks to be the city case, you might as not bother buying a club and just burn your notes.. but then at least the burning notes may at least keep you warm for a while..

[BooyakaSha]

While I can accept much of your argument for pragmatism, the issue for the fanbase/ stakeholders is one of trust...hearts and minds etc

As regards "all Venky's had to do, when they first came on the scene was nothing" I couldn't agree more. The problem is that they themselves indicated that was their intention, only to embark on a trail of wanton destruction.

So, alongside everything else, they really do need to plan a re-engagement strategy . That strategy will involve a few answers and messages about plans to deal with FFP etc. Reducing fans' anxiety would be more than useful. Better late than never...

Definitely. But as with my previous post about how owners thousands of miles away not able to appreciate the affect of the club's fortunes on the town, I suspect that Venkys may not be fully appreciative of the level of animosity towards them - either that or they think that if they come good all will be forgiven.

I agree that of all the crash course learning they may have had from the melt down, re-engagement and communication with the fans is a must if they intend to stick around for the long haul and in saying that, I'd rather have that any day as a Championship club than hitting the Premiership waiting for the next Keanami.

I suspect though, this will be the play going forward with Bowyers visits to India, the only real indication where we stand and what we have available. Unfortunately for them - and us - there attempt at engaging with *chuckle* "Robbie" *chuckle* Shebinator was a spectacular disaster and I can't see them wanting to go down that road again.

[EgyptianPete]

Just imagine the ego trip they'd be on if the improbable happened and we somehow won promotion under their watch. They've taken virtually non of the blame for events since they arrived but you can bet they'd be making sure they took the worldwide credit if it happened. Every PR company in universe would be getting a call from India, that's probably worth all the money and hassle to them.

Took none of the blame, every tom dick and harry have blamed them, I take it you mean not personal blame.

[broadsword]

Same as same as imo. Must say if I was a rich businessman looking at buying a club I'd have my eye on BRFC not cos of the potential to generate a return (cos we all know without the Prem gravy train that is very very limited because of the small fan base and the expectation of giveaway ST prices) but simply because of the facilities. My starting bid would simply be an offer to take it off their hands debt free when they are sick of chucking good money after bad. Not much chance of that I suppose.

The saudia situation could see another Saeed / Shah queuing in the wings. Alternatively they could be Uncle Jack mk 2. Whats your money on Bryan?

Reminds me of the old adage about marriage........... 'Look after the first cos the next might be worse'.

Well, you do make a good point.

Either the Saudis will be rolling in dough and happy to boost us back into the Premiership and take a big slice of the TV money. Or they have ulterior motives and won't have our best interests at heart. Whatever I believe will have no bearing whatsoever on what happens.

In any case, I don't see us going anywhere under Venky's. Once they realise they can't get us back up with their chosen strategy, either administration or a sale beckons.

That's how I see it panning out. I think they'll eventually get fed up of owning us.