Jon Dahl Tomasson - no longer Sweden coach

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

28 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Yeah - that Spain side are probably the greatest ever international team, but I wouldnt be that excited about watching them. Just so risk averse, all about controlling the game.

I take it you never saw Brazil between 1958 and 1970 ?

[Lancaster Rover]

If you look at the juxtaposition between Spain 2010 and Barcelona 2010/11, which culminated in that exhibition against United in the CL final I'd say it's fairly safe to say Pep wasn't the problem.

[joey_big_nose]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I take it you never saw Brazil between 1958 and 1970 ?

Born in 1982 sadly never had the opportunity. But although they won 3 out of 4 world cups including 2 back to back they didn't manage to win the copa america. Screen shot with winners on the left, defeated finalist on right.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:13 by joey_big_nose

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

Born in 1982 sadly never had the opportunity. But although they won 3 out of 4 world cups including 2 back to back they didn't manage to win the copa america. Screen shot with winners on the left, defeated finalist on right.

 

It wasn’t just that they won those World Cups it was how they did it. The 1970 team was the best team I ever saw.

[Upside Down]

9 hours ago, JHRover said:

It is really really odd especially when intelligent educated people come out with it. It seems to be the most extreme case of Stockholm Syndrome combined with rose-tinted spectacles.

I don't know if it affects other clubs and fanbases as much or not but there does seem to be this attitude that pretty much anyone and everyone who leaves Rovers, whether that be by choice or being removed by Rovers' decision making, are to be treated as inherently evil, unpleasant, good to be rid of, glad they are gone etc. etc.

Some of it I think comes down to perceptions of personality, or some sort of grievance that these people would dare try and leave Rovers and that makes them a problem. 

I get the impression that people like Allardyce, Lambert, JDT came across in some quarters as 'aloof' in some ways - that is they didn't do the 'tea and biscuits' routine with people and all that. Or perhaps others were uncomfortable with the public declarations of ambition and wanting to get promoted asap and were more comfortable with the (very) slow burn approach of Mowbray.

Anyhow, personally I enjoyed that 2022-23 season more than any since these disgraceful people took our club hostage (or I did until it became clear they weren't going to try and maintain it beyond Christmas). The facts and figures show it was the best we've had and probably will ever have under these gangsters.

Play-off pushes and FA Cup quarter finals I enjoyed, more than relegation scraps to League One that's for sure.

 

Nobody who has any shred of intelligence comes out with this stuff. Just brainless venky bots.

[USABlue]

On 14/10/2025 at 16:00, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He lost me after the Burnley game. To not come out and apologise after that shambles told me a lot.

Always miffed at him for that and not playing the Wharton brothers.  At least they would have been fired up for it.

[bluebruce]

10 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

Born in 1982 sadly never had the opportunity. But although they won 3 out of 4 world cups including 2 back to back they didn't manage to win the copa america. Screen shot with winners on the left, defeated finalist on right.

 

I really don't think that matters when they won 3 out of 4 world cups.

[joey_big_nose]

9 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I really don't think that matters when they won 3 out of 4 world cups.

I guess my point is that Spain team won everything they competed in with broadly the same set of players over 6 years which no one else has ever managed.

[Leonard Venkhater]

12 hours ago, USABlue said:

Always miffed at him for that and not playing the Wharton brothers.  At least they would have been fired up for it.

Yes, it was perverse. It's like he was making some point. "This derby not matter to me.."

And there were some pretty poor selections and performances that day.

Am I right in thinking that one of the Whartons' agents went in to see JDT about the omission?

[Mashed Potatoes]

16 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Yes, it was perverse. It's like he was making some point. "This derby not matter to me.."

And there were some pretty poor selections and performances that day.

Am I right in thinking that one of the Whartons' agents went in to see JDT about the omission?

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the selection decision no club or manager can be expected to tolerate agents attempting to influence team selections.

[Leonard Venkhater]

16 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the selection decision no club or manager can be expected to tolerate agents attempting to influence team selections.

100%...that goes for owners, agents...and representatives of protest groups too!

I am just curious, as it may indicate that player(s) were particularly upset/ shocked/astounded by that particularly perverse team selection?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

25 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Yes, it was perverse. It's like he was making some point. "This derby not matter to me.."

And there were some pretty poor selections and performances that day.

Am I right in thinking that one of the Whartons' agents went in to see JDT about the omission?

If I’d have been JDT I would have sincerely and profusely apologised for a complete no show in the biggest game of the season right after the game. The fact that he didn’t consider it necessary told me he either didn’t realise the importance of the game, which is really bad for any manager of our club, or he was too arrogant to admit he’d ballsed up big time.

Maybe it was a case of both. I never felt the same about him after that game. He lost me there and then.

My Rugby League team appointed a new Australian coach. At a “ Meet The Coach “ event he asked for questions at the end of his little speech. One guy stood and said “ Just two things Steve, beat Oldham, and beat Oldham ! “ 

We played Oldham in the traditional pre-season “ Friendly “ known as “ The Infirmary’s Cup “. Not just because players ended up in the Infirmary afterwards but plenty did over the years.

The new coach treated it as pre season run out and subbed players left right and centre. Just to give all the players some game time. Oldham didn’t and they won convincingly.

That coach was on borrowed tine as far as the fans were concerned from that day on. He didn’t last long.

[DE.]

2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

If I’d have been JDT I would have sincerely and profusely apologised for a complete no show in the biggest game of the season right after the game. The fact that he didn’t consider it necessary told me he either didn’t realise the importance of the game, which is really bad for any manager of our club, or he was too arrogant to admit he’d ballsed up big time.

Maybe it was a case of both. I never felt the same about him after that game. He lost me there and then.

My Rugby League team appointed a new Australian coach. At a “ Meet The Coach “ event he asked for questions at the end of his little speech. One guy stood and said “ Just two things Steve, beat Oldham, and beat Oldham ! “ 

We played Oldham in the traditional pre-season “ Friendly “ known as “ The Infirmary’s Cup “. Not just because players ended up in the Infirmary afterwards but plenty did over the years.

The new coach treated it as pre season run out and subbed players left right and centre. Just to give all the players some game time. Oldham didn’t and they won convincingly.

That coach was on borrowed tine as far as the fans were concerned from that day on. He didn’t last long.

Have to agree. I remember absolutely fuming after that match - not the fact we lost, but the fact we barely laid a glove on them and didn't look up for it at all. JDT's lack of apology - I think he actually called it just another game - was galling. 

[Tomphil2]

JDT i think followed a very old school approach to man management and there was definitely some bone headed arrogance in there.

'The manager is ALWAYS right' even when he clearly isn't.

That rubbed up a few of our lot who'd had a comfortable existence under uncle Tony but it also got the best out of a few others.

Rather Souness type management imo who himself was rather inflexible in formations and style even when it was proving detrimental. Also needed good players and good budgets to do what he wanted to do.

Trouble is in Jon's case he was a Head Coach and not a manager and in modern times it's different and requires a different approach.

I still think he'll go on to have more success in his career though if he gets the right gig.