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[lraC]

33 minutes ago, den said:

As regards investing in better players, or reinvesting money from player sales to try to improve the squad, the quote below from the minutes tells us what has been right in front of our eyes for most of their tenure. It isn’t going to happen. The owners apparently don’t believe that’s necessary. It’s what they said when they bought the club.  
I don’t for one minute the owners believe that, it’s just a narrative that suits them.

 

GM asked whether, if the club generates funds by player sales, why the board or SS As the clubs trusted adviser can’t come to some arrangement with the owners of crystal clarity of a said % of those funds being immediately available to strengthen the squad, GM Asked had that question been asked?  SS replied that, there was no such general agreement in place, or had the question been asked of the owners, though there had been reinvestment in the playing squad from player sales, such as when the club re-invested 40% of Sammie Szmodics’ transfer fee. GM Stated this was a small proportion given the club also sold Gallagher, Kaminski, Wharton amongst others in the same year, whilst they received payments for Raya and others, and this seems low investment in terms of money received. SS Stated that spending more money or increasing wages don’t guarantee a jump in league position

The usual response to that, is we don’t get all the money at once, conveniently forgetting it works both ways. 

[arbitro]

Deary me.

This confirms in many supporters minds how much the big decision makers to Rovers are out of their depth. Suhail Snake has pretty much confirmed that there is no ambition from the owners.

So what is the point of Blackburn Rovers anymore?

Under pressure rats will devour one another and the evidence is now there for all to see. It makes you wonder what the Punekars are being told by Snakey who is clearly rattled (a rattled snake?) 😂

Well done to Glen and Duncan for holding their feet to the fire.

[glen9mullan]

Another point which missed the minutes was the removal of the women's team from the training centre.

Ss response was they'd fail the CAT 1 audit having the women's team there .

His justification of their exit

[lraC]

2 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Deary me.

This confirms in many supporters minds how much the big decision makers to Rovers are out of their depth. Suhail Snake has pretty much confirmed that there is no ambition from the owners.

So what is the point of Blackburn Rovers anymore?

Under pressure rats will devour one another and the evidence is now there for all to see. It makes you wonder what the Punekars are being told by Snakey who is clearly rattled (a rattled snake?) 😂

Well done to Glen and Duncan for holding their feet to the fire.

It’s clear for all to see, there is no point at all in Blackburn Rovers just now. The only way forward now is to somehow get rid. 

[arbitro]

Just now, lraC said:

It’s clear for all to see, there is no point at all in Blackburn Rovers just now. The only way forward now is to somehow get rid. 

You know Carl it's the first day of the season tomorrow and tens of thousands of supporters will go to games full of optimism and excitement. 

For Rovers fans seeing the owners representative coming out with that really takes the wind out of our sails knowing that there is no ambition, no desire to get promoted or be successful.

I don't know for sure but I would think the rattled snake is deceitful when it comes to speaking to the owners and what he tells them. It really is in his own personal interests for them not to know what a charade he is overseeing.

Self preservation of the highest order.

[den]

15 minutes ago, lraC said:

The usual response to that, is we don’t get all the money at once, conveniently forgetting it works both ways. 

That’s a cop out. We’ve just sold a number of players for quite a few millions of pounds (as GM said to them). That cash wasn’t anticipated. 
IMO it hasn’t gone back into the club and it won’t be going back into the club. It can only have gone to one other place.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Survival is the future for Rovers...'just doing enough',love the Venkys.

Enjoy the rest of your Summer folks

[den]

23 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

Yeh budget is set. If we generate 89p or 89 million it won't change the budget.

Had we sold no one this summer the budget would of been the same 

Thanks Glen.

That money has gone somewhere.

[StubbsUK]

1 minute ago, den said:

Thanks Glen.

That money has gone somewhere.

It's gone to, in no particular order:

• HMRC
• Staff wages
• Electric company
• Water company
• etc

The owners aren't doing a Blackpool and syphoning money from the club, there's none to syphon.

That's not a defence of the owners, if anything it's saying they can't even do that right!

[RevidgeBlue]

59 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont get how you read that and your immediate conclusion is to go back for Waggott.

Why, what do you think has changed since Waggott left?

The answer appears to be, absolutely nothing save that Suhail isn't as skilled at lying/covering his arse as Waggott was.

[RevidgeBlue]

33 minutes ago, lraC said:

It’s clear for all to see, there is no point at all in Blackburn Rovers just now. 

Correct.

I've been saying for a while that we are no longer a football Club (where the idea is to win football matches) but a place where certain people (mainly management and agents) go to earn (a lot of) money.

Edit: Ironically the only way to become truly "sustainable" is to invest a bit, try to win a few football matches and get into the Premier League.

Edited 3 hours ago by RevidgeBlue

[47er]

How can we expect future generations to throw their support behind a football club that will never be promoted back to the

Premier League, will be happy to stay in the Championship forever, will always sell its best players for what they can get, never

reinvest  transfer fees into buying new players and will rarely conduct new contract terms at a propitious time thus losing

good players for nothing and will never sell the Club (apparently)

Some moan about small crowds, its a miracle we get as many as we do in these circumstances.

They'e going to get smaller I think.

[arbitro]

This one sentence sums these fools up.

SS- Stated that no one knew Wharton would be a good player at youth level whilst AO Stated no one pays more for a championship player,

[den]

16 minutes ago, StubbsUK said:

It's gone to, in no particular order:

• HMRC
• Staff wages
• Electric company
• Water company
• etc

The owners aren't doing a Blackpool and syphoning money from the club, there's none to syphon.

That's not a defence of the owners, if anything it's saying they can't even do that right!

Those bills are covered week in week out before unseen transfer windfalls.

[JBiz]

Switch all focus to finding new owners, don’t even talk to the current backroom / owners. What’s the point 

[Mattyblue]

‘Nobody knew he’d be a good player when he was at youth level’… made his first start for the first team at 18, played for England under 19s a month later.

 

[DE.]

Whilst yes, there's no guarantee higher spending will increase league position, under competent leadership it's reasonable to assume this will happen. That excuse just reads as the owners having zero confidence in the people they employ, and also no confidence in themselves as leaders of the club (rightly so, granted, but still). 

It's embarrassing to read. Absolutely no ambition whatsoever and, as always, makes you wonder why they own this club. 

[RevidgeBlue]

13 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Switch all focus to finding new owners, don’t even talk to the current backroom / owners. What’s the point 

Fair point.

[StubbsUK]

5 minutes ago, den said:

Those bills are covered week in week out before unseen transfer windfalls.

I didn't think we made enough from matchday revenue & merch sales to cover wages? I don't have the accounts to hand but at one point they were > 100% of our income.

To my mind it's being squandered on things like whatever % of loan players wages we pay, for which we get no return, 400k wages for a CEO, short term players like Wyman, Baath and letting players contracts run out and leave on a free.

[Tomphil2]

It's very evident this Suhail guy isn't a football person and despite being here a decade and possible affiliation with that agent/agency nobody has heard of he's still way out of his depth.

Just a pounds and pence balance sheet man who looks and talks on everything in numbers, the lower the better it seems so it's no wonder they want to shrink the whole thing to a size they can easily manage.

The prospect of trying to go the other way is not only beyond them but clearly terrifying.

Edited 2 hours ago by Tomphil2

[lraC]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

You know Carl it's the first day of the season tomorrow and tens of thousands of supporters will go to games full of optimism and excitement. 

For Rovers fans seeing the owners representative coming out with that really takes the wind out of our sails knowing that there is no ambition, no desire to get promoted or be successful.

I don't know for sure but I would think the rattled snake is deceitful when it comes to speaking to the owners and what he tells them. It really is in his own personal interests for them not to know what a charade he is overseeing.

Self preservation of the highest order.

Like you Tony, I have followed the club for over 50 years and have never felt like this at the start of the season.

With living abroad, i have subscribed to Rovers TV to watch all the games, available on there and will get to the odd game, when I get back.

I used to be fanatical, but have had this knocked out of me now and I am half questioning myself abut why I am still following it.

It is that feeling of helplessness, more than anything, that hurts, as I have tried to do my but, as have you and plenty of others, but it does feel like a losing battle just now. 

Hopefully that will wear off and we can enjoy the season. 

[lraC]

1 hour ago, den said:

That’s a cop out. We’ve just sold a number of players for quite a few millions of pounds (as GM said to them). That cash wasn’t anticipated. 
IMO it hasn’t gone back into the club and it won’t be going back into the club. It can only have gone to one other place.

Without a doubt, although I do have my suspicions that there is a nice cut for some agents, still lurking around, who get more than the norm, shall we say.

[JHRover]

2 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

 

It's crystal clear Suhail is as iv'e long suspected the main problem here i'm absolutely astounded he let Mowbray go as that kind of shield and plodding along is exactly what he is all about.  There must've been a falling out or hes had a brainstorm that he could do it cheaper with a head coach model unless he was told from above things had to change.

 

Mowbray and Venus had too much power because Tony bypassed him in the summer of 2017 and went straight to the power in India. 

Not daft Tony - he knew where the power and money is in this hierarchy and the way to get what you need is to get to Pune and around a table with them. 

Venky Stooge Pasha doesn't want this - he got shut of Bowyer who had that personal connection to India, then the appointments he has overseen have all been kept at arms length from India and unable to repeat the trick of getting a direct link to the owners. 

I remember in JDT's first full summer after a positive first season there was a plan or desire for him and Broughton to get to India. That never happened, I wonder why. 

So yeah, Mowbray was in many ways the perfect man for these owners and by extension the Venky stooge. Oh how I bet he wishes Mowbray was still here to send to the Fans Forum meetings! Some jovial stuff about favourite biscuits and how he used to love watching Boro as a boy would go down a treat. 

But by getting rid of Mowbray and severing a link to India there the Venky stooge consolidated his own position as unrivalled dictator. 

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12 hours ago, glen9mullan said:

Gonna cover this on a pod at weekend the parts they changed completely in edit 3. Parts in red are our edits to the first set,  Which were originally approved 

Drop a link when you do fella thanks for all your work so far 

[London blue]

1 hour ago, den said:

Those bills are covered week in week out before unseen transfer windfalls.

The amount the owners send over depends on the revenue from sales, at least that's my understanding.

Sell Travel for £4m and reduce next year's tranche payment from India by that amount.