2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

11 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

Significantly weaker is a HUGE over statement.
Ribeiro definitely holds his own at LB and some will say is better than Beck...Certainly has more experience. 

Only his mum would think he’s a better player than Beck.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

6 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I dont think he's a patch on Beck but it's a game of opinions. We've had worse and I assume we signed him because he was a lot cheaper.

Could well be cheaper could be a lot of things . But the main point Iv argued is calling beck our best left back in 15/20 years. To me that’s crazy given how little he played 

[47er]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Tyjon and his parents probably want to make sure he gets the game time Ismael has said before he commits to new contracts

"probably"---you're just guessing aren't you? Our history of contract problems tells us something different is more likely.

[BankEnd Rover]

6 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Only his mum would think he’s a better player than Beck.

My mum does to.

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Could well be cheaper could be a lot of things . But the main point Iv argued is calling beck our best left back in 15/20 years. To me that’s crazy given how little he played 

You keep saying "how little he played".

According to Wikipedia he made 24 appearances for us last season. Was that that bad?

My own recollection was that he picked up a couple of injuries but it's not like he was a sick note.

[M_B]

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

To play which position?

Any to be honest. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You keep saying "how little he played".

According to Wikipedia he made 24 appearances for us last season. Was that that bad?

My own recollection was that he picked up a couple of injuries but it's not like he was a sick note.

24 appearances is half a season 

so that’s enough to call a player the best left back the club has had in 15/20 years? Not for me not even close 

he picked up one significant hamstring injury 

3 games suspension for that Preston tramp 

and missed the start as was a late signing 

he’s not a sick note (yet) but has had a bad hamstring injury which with players like him could easily flare up again 

[Dreams of 1995]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

What has happened since is irrelevant to replacing what Dolan provided last season. But I very much doubt that Dolan is just sat around with absolutely no offers or interest.

If we signed a winger that had done what Dolan did from another Championship club. Or even one with a fancy exotic name who has provided a similar number of goals and assists in a lesser league. We would be excited.

You almost had me. I thought you were serious.

Then you mentioned you’d be excited by a signing….

Nearly 

[Exiled_Rover]

23 minutes ago, 47er said:

Somehow I don't think Derby will be facing a struggle against relegation this season. They will be significantly bettter than last season.

Will we?

Time will tell.

[because of boxing day]

Tyjon so reminds me of Duncan McKenzie in size gait pace and skills. His feint and dropped shoulder to unbalance Everton defenders twice on Saturday had me and those around me purring with admiration. 

[Tomphil2]

The only real answer to this daft argument is if Williams was here and Beck was his backup i think after seeing what he could do fans would be wanting him to start over Derek and any coach we've had apart from Mowbray would do so.

As it is both Ribero and Pickering are capable enough defenders but don't offer what Beck did going forwards.

I think i'd still pick either of those though over F Off Derek in fact i'd pick Tommy Spur over him.

[M_B]

13 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You keep saying "how little he played".

According to Wikipedia he made 24 appearances for us last season. Was that that bad?

My own recollection was that he picked up a couple of injuries but it's not like he was a sick note.

Just for comparison, Gallagher according to Wikipedia, played 188 games in 5 seasons, an average of 37 games a season.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

2 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

If he isn't going to agree to sign and earn his corn here then get rid.

Giving a kid mins for the sake of it just so he can impress potential suitors to snap him up for a bargain not only might hamper the team if he doesn't hit the standard it also isn't fair on lads who are here for the long run.

Can't have unproven kids with a bit of potential dictating the terms at first team level i'm sick of the entitlement of these types.

Exactly. Give the minutes to a lad who will/has signed. 

[islander200]

46 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You keep saying "how little he played".

According to Wikipedia he made 24 appearances for us last season. Was that that bad?

My own recollection was that he picked up a couple of injuries but it's not like he was a sick note.

His other loans away he got injured quite a bit aswell, quality player at this level but injuries would have to be a concern going off his history 

[RevidgeBlue]

53 minutes ago, because of boxing day said:

Tyjon so reminds me of Duncan McKenzie in size gait pace and skills. His feint and dropped shoulder to unbalance Everton defenders twice on Saturday had me and those around me purring with admiration. 

Can he jump over a Mini though?

[RevidgeBlue]

52 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

The only real answer to this daft argument is if Williams was here and Beck was his backup i think after seeing what he could do fans would be wanting him to start over Derek and any coach we've had apart from Mowbray would do so.

As it is both Ribero and Pickering are capable enough defenders but don't offer what Beck did going forwards.

I think i'd still pick either of those though over F Off Derek in fact i'd pick Tommy Spur over him.

I thought even Bell was better than disastrous Derek.

[RevidgeBlue]

52 minutes ago, M_B said:

Just for comparison, Gallagher according to Wikipedia, played 188 games in 5 seasons, an average of 37 games a season.

Evening Mrs. Gallagher.

Yeah.........mores the pity!

[Bbrovers2288]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Fitness permitting, Beck is an excellent signing for Derby. Didnt see many left backs better than him in the league, good both defensively and going forward.

There is a big snobbery towards a manager signing players he has previously worked with nowadays, its seen as prehistoric. Its all about signing based on data, plucking out players from obscurity. All of the benefits remain though. You know the player is good at the level, you know his character which data cant measure, they can settle in quickly, they can set standards. All 3 did well for us and make us weaker and Derby stronger.

My only criticism of beck would be decision making and being clinical going forward tbf, he should have got a few more goals for us after being in good positions, I know it’s not really his job but after finding himself there he should have done better a good few times. Still a very decent player for this level 

[philipl]

Beck is a cracking player at this level but not many Championship teams this season will have their left back position competed for by players of the ability and experience of Pickering and Ribeiro.

There are at least 6 positions that need strengthening before needing a third left back.

Unusually for us, I can see there being intense Championship level player competition for places in every position by the time the window closes.

I can also see a Pasha mentality that short/ expiring contracts being the equivalent of loans without the loan fee and PL/ parachute level wages... Not condoning it but looking in from the outside, this seems to be the mentality.

By the time players and agents have had their cuts, transfer fees have to be 5m+ these days to make a serious difference to the club's finances.

Incidentally, Boro who are chasing Britain have done zero new signings to date.

We will go and loan Harrison Armstrong now and blow this theory away....

[bluebruce]

6 hours ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Let me clarify my point on beck 

I think beck is a class wee player and can go on to do well 

but in order to call a player the best in that position for a certain club over the last 15/20 years surely you would have had to play more than 25 games to even be considered in that conversation 

That’s my point 

It's a small sample, and for that reason it's hard to really say he is categorically the best. But looking at it purely in terms of the quality we got on a game-for-game basis, and purely since relegation to the Championship (impossible to compare with Prem days really) IMO Beck comfortably wins that. Whether he all-round is the best LB as an overall player we have had in that period is a different question that would have needed more time to say. I hope the distinction I'm making is clear.

That said I do think he'll go on to have a better career than any of the others in that period (again, since relegation rather than 15/20 years). I'm not really counting the Olssons in any of this, as they were bought in the Prem era, I'm talking about players we signed since coming down. I accept it's a different convo again if you include them, and not what the original question was.

[Ossydave]

It's a good move for Beck, am I bothered he's not come back here though? Not really. He's got a fair bit to learn about positioning and curbing the reckless challenges he was partial to, but Eustace will be well aware of this and will make him a better player in the long run. Big season for him as if he keeps fits and makes a few tweaks he can be pushing for a premier league move next season.

[oneandycrawford]

8 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Beck's absolute top quality. You're being contrary on this point.

That made me smile Rev 😉

Coming from the arch-contrarian regarding Trondstadt!

[RevidgeBlue]

29 minutes ago, oneandycrawford said:

That made me smile Rev 😉

Coming from the arch-contrarian regarding Trondstadt!

Knew someone wouldn't be able to wait to make that connection!

Im content that my opinion of Tronstad seems to be shared by every other Club in the top 2 divisions. With him "snuffing out the danger" and without Travis we also conceded the second most number of goals the season before last and only stayed up on the final day.

It's also a game of opinions. We have people who dont rate Dolan but dont seem to have a problem with Hedges, people who thought Gallagher was OK, people who didn't rate Raya and now seemingly someone who thought Deryck Williams was better than Beck.

Compared to that I think my assessment of Tronstad as very ordinary pales into insignificance. But if it amuses people to bring it up every time I make a comment on a totally unrelated matter - so be it!

[Emerald Isle Rover]

I don’t or didn’t think Williams was a better ‘player’ as such he was better for rovers based on playing more than 20 games that has to count for something 

if we are judging players on extremely small sample sizes then your going down a big rabbit hole

and I stand by what I said a left back over 100 games with a player of the season under his belt has been better for rovers than a player who started 20 games with 4 other sub appearances 

overall as a player is neck better and likely to have a better career highly likely but not for rovers 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

4 hours ago, bluebruce said:

It's a small sample, and for that reason it's hard to really say he is categorically the best. But looking at it purely in terms of the quality we got on a game-for-game basis, and purely since relegation to the Championship (impossible to compare with Prem days really) IMO Beck comfortably wins that. Whether he all-round is the best LB as an overall player we have had in that period is a different question that would have needed more time to say. I hope the distinction I'm making is clear.

That said I do think he'll go on to have a better career than any of the others in that period (again, since relegation rather than 15/20 years). I'm not really counting the Olssons in any of this, as they were bought in the Prem era, I'm talking about players we signed since coming down. I accept it's a different convo again if you include them, and not what the original question was.

My main question is what metric is beck being judged on?

games played? Awards won? Clean sheets? Assist? Goals? 
 

im genuinely intrigued to know the basis of all this