2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[TimmyJimmy]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Really?

Our incidence of injuries and recovery times suggests otherwise.

I walked into that one didn't I, doh!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

That is just an overused cliche. He is very young and has had injuries (perhaps part of growing) even playing for the Under 21s. 

All I propose is adding a player to compete with Cantwell. As it stands, if he is unavailable, we would have to flog Tyjon and dismissing the outdated notion that "hes a young lad, he should be able to play every day", we dont know if he could physically sustain that sort of workload at senior level. He struggled in academy football. 

Bringing someone in would prevent that and we can use Tyjon when we want to. Theres still scope for plenty of football for him, and he can still earn a place. We ultimately also dont know if he is up to it quality wise yet at Championship level.

Well, all the above depends on his future. If he wont commit then it makes little sense to put so much work into developing him.

That’s right. How many first team games will he get at Arsenal  do you think ? He’ll be loaned out to somebody either at our level or below.

Edited 6 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

And what happens when Cantwell is unavailable if Tyjon is NOT ready? Then we are just left with a big hole in our team.

We dont know if he is ready full stop, but especially physically. This is a young lad who has had injury problems at under 21 level, can he sustain consecutive games at senior level?

Also, has he got one year left on his deal? Is he actually likely to be our player beyond next summer? Especially with agent Nixon on the case.

Wharton was an exceptional talent, but even then, he was in and out at first. We cant expect everyone to be like Wharton, most are not.

You focus on the negative side and what happens if not ready and whether we know every single time, But Ismael and the staff will know and we have a talent on our hands, we should be develop Igor Tyjon. 

By him having a pathway and Ismael siting down with Tyjon and his parents to show them how Ismael wants to use him and develop him is a way of keeping here long term contract

No one has said every young player is going to be like Wharton but when you have talent like Tyjon you need to bring him through just like we did with Wharton, Raya and Buckley. Its a good job we didn't your opinion and stance on bringing Wharton or Raya otherwise they might not be quality Premier League players. 

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

29 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ismael sat down with Tyjon and his parents to sit out his pathway and how he wants to use him this season and long term. 

That's how we will convince him to stay here long term is being part of the first team 

Yes I read that but he still hasn't signed a pro deal.  Just saying he should be given an ultimatum to sign or we basically develop him for someone else. 

[Mercer]

16 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

No really good young player is going to stay at Rovers long term. Those days are long gone. If we couldn’t keep somebody like Adam Wharton we won’t be able to keep anyone.

 

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You focus on the negative side and what happens if not ready and whether we know every single time, But Ismael and the staff will know and we have a talent on our hands, we should be develop Igor Tyjon. 

By him having a pathway and Ismael siting down with Tyjon and his parents to show them how Ismael wants to use him and develop him is a way of keeping here long term contract

No one has said every young player is going to be like Wharton but when you have talent like Tyjon you need to bring him through just like we did with Wharton, Raya and Buckley. Its a good job we didn't your opinion and stance on bringing Wharton or Raya otherwise they might not be quality Premier League players. 

Sadly, as a club I think we have regressed so badly there isn't much credibility about.

Any real talent isn't going to hang about long irrespective of what Ismael says - they can virtually set themselves up for life with just one 'big' move.

To have a chance of retaining top young talent for any length of time, we need to be playing in the PL and as a bare minimum holding our own.  Sadly, those days may well have now gone for good such is the state of our club.

 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

1 minute ago, Mercer said:

 

Sadly, as a club I think we have regressed so badly there isn't much credibility about.

Any real talent isn't going to hang about long irrespective of what Ismael says - they can virtually set themselves up for life with just one 'big' move.

To have a chance of retaining top young talent for any length of time, we need to be playing in the PL and as a bare minimum holding our own.  Sadly, those days may well have now gone for good such is the state of our club.

 

That is the same for all talent in all championship clubs though not just rovers

[Emerald Isle Rover]

The tyjon dilemma I think most posters are right in their views 

I do think ideally another 10 would be better so he isn’t flogged 

but I also do think the only way of knowing if he’s as good as we/other clubs think he is we should be using him. As mentioned before Sunderland used 3 teenagers last year with great effect 

Now it’s not proven that works all the time but to incentivise him staying make him sign a pro deal give him minutes and let’s see if the hype is real 

[MarkBRFC]

I think Tyjon leaves next summer whether he plays 4 minutes or 4000 minutes to be honest.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

3 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I think Tyjon leaves next summer whether he plays 4 minutes or 4000 minutes to be honest.

Hence we put some sort of clause in that if he gets a certain amount of minutes he plays here. If not then yes move him on 

[London blue]

3 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I think Tyjon leaves next summer whether he plays 4 minutes or 4000 minutes to be honest.

Then for me, he should play if he's contributing.

[rigger]

4 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

Personally I think there is a need for a No10 as any injury to Cantwell will leave us short. Unless Tyjon is viewed as good enough to step up on a regular basis. Not seen him play but seems a big ask of a 17yo. I suppose Ohashi could play there but to me he’s better as a striker.

We probably also need another striker and a RM/RW. 

Just shows how valuable Dolan was cos he could fill every position in the front 4. 
 

Just not very well.

[TimmyJimmy]

5 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I think Tyjon leaves next summer whether he plays 4 minutes or 4000 minutes to be honest.

... and if we get promoted?

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I think Tyjon leaves next summer whether he plays 4 minutes or 4000 minutes to be honest.

He’ll move when he feels like it. The player holds all the cards in situations like this.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, TimmyJimmy said:

... and if we get promoted?

That thought must keep the Chicken Chokers awake at night.

Edited 5 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[joey_big_nose]

As far as Tyjon goes I think it's instructive to think of the 9 and 10 role together. Across the two roles we now have four players - Ohashi, Gueye, Tyjon and Cantwell. I think without blocking Tyjon we need at an absolute minimum one more in there. Ideally someone who could play either as a 9 or a 10 as I don't think we can have only four players for two crucial roles, especially when we get into the November to February madness.

Even if we count Tyjon as a new first team squad player (and we should) five players in those forward position who have left (Dolan, Weimann, Woodrow, Dennis, ACB) so we are four short. Getting one more back in is the absolute minimum imo.

In May last year we had eight players (Ohashi, Gueye, Weiman, Dolan, Dennis, Woodrow, Cantwell, ACB) who played across 9 and 10. I am sure we will sign someone. Maybe two. And that would be no real impediment to Tyjon, he will get plenty of game time.

Edited 5 hours ago by joey_big_nose

[roversfan99]

27 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You focus on the negative side and what happens if not ready and whether we know every single time, But Ismael and the staff will know and we have a talent on our hands, we should be develop Igor Tyjon. 

By him having a pathway and Ismael siting down with Tyjon and his parents to show them how Ismael wants to use him and develop him is a way of keeping here long term contract

No one has said every young player is going to be like Wharton but when you have talent like Tyjon you need to bring him through just like we did with Wharton, Raya and Buckley. Its a good job we didn't your opinion and stance on bringing Wharton or Raya otherwise they might not be quality Premier League players. 

Ah yes, the usual. Take my words totally out of context and resort to calling me negative in the absence of anything constructive.

You repeatedly conclude based on your own warped reading of what I am saying that we should never play him, bin him off and never bring through graduates. 

Firstly, sort out his contract situation. Not interested in conversations or spiel about pathways and projects. Is he willing to sign a proper contract or not? If he is, then we can accelerate his progression into the first team. If not, then strongly consider a sale because its no good us giving him game time just to inflate any tribunal fee.

Assuming he does sign. We dont know especially physically if he is ready to potentially play regular Championship football. As it stands, one injury to Cantwell and he would have to. He regularly struggled to stay fit for the under 21s. It would be putting him under unfair pressure and we dont know if he could cope with it. So sign another player.

Still there would be plenty of scope for game time. If we are playing high pressing football, and with modern day sub rules, we will be getting minutes into 7 or 8 attacking players per game. He would be one of potentially 10, very rare they would all be fit. It would also allow us to play him when we feel appropriate rather than out of necessity. He could play cup games, he could be integrated slowly initially but if he really looks the part at senior level, and we dont know, then he can play lots more.

So sort his contract, then drip feed him in without undue pressure whenever we feel best, keeping him around the first team all season. Can you please tell me what is so negative about that plan?

[rigger]

1 hour ago, Forever Blue said:

His goals and assists last season would suggest otherwise…and that was in a team set up defensively. 

I was never his biggest fan till last season but I think he’s a genuine goal threat at Championship level. 

But he could not play well, at all four attacking positions, which was the statement.

[roversfan99]

That Darren Witcoop is a terrible source, we have been linked with Armstrong before but you would imagine he will go back to Derby if let out.

[MarkBRFC]

17 minutes ago, TimmyJimmy said:

... and if we get promoted?

Haha good one!

As we have seen numerous times over the past few years, if that is on the cards then somebody, somewhere will see that it doesn't happen.

[Forever Blue]

28 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

 

 

Spent 2nd half of last season on loan at Derby. Very highly rated by their fans. He looks a tall athletic CM.

[wilsdenrover]

How on earth did we survive before projects and pathways??

 

[Dreams of 1995]

2 hours ago, Mercer said:

Really?

Our incidence of injuries and recovery times suggests otherwise.

Are you somehow suggesting we sit outside of the curve here? I'd take some convincing

Your anecdotes won't do. You'll have to back this up with something 

[Wegerleswiggle]

6 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

How on earth did we survive before projects and pathways??

 

Marquee signings

[RevidgeBlue]

46 minutes ago, rigger said:

Just not very well.

Someone beat you to it with that quip and he was wrong as well.