January Transfer Needs

[MarkBRFC]

McLoughlin has been shown up playing in the middle of a 3. Been poor in my opinion.

Think he's OK on the left of a 3, painfully slow though.

Have to remember that Hull were quite happy to let him go on the cheap when they were banned from signing players, that should say a lot.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

3 hours ago, Kjell said:

Yes, 8 goals and 5 assists in 20 is a good run and a fact, not a narrative.

A narrative that he’s good enough for champ or rovers level. Mason burstow perfect example 2 goals in 30 champ last year but doing well in league one. There is a big jump in quality 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

McLoughlin has been shown up playing in the middle of a 3. Been poor in my opinion.

Think he's OK on the left of a 3, painfully slow though.

Have to remember that Hull were quite happy to let him go on the cheap when they were banned from signing players, that should say a lot.

Why would it say a lot? We were willing to sell our best cb and captain on the cheap doesn’t mean they were poor players 

[47er]

5 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Why would it say a lot? We were willing to sell our best cb and captain on the cheap doesn’t mean they were poor players 

You saying Hull are as daft as we are?

[Emerald Isle Rover]

40 minutes ago, 47er said:

You saying Hull are as daft as we are?

Hull also have owners in which the fans certainly wouldn’t be endeared to 

[Andy]

6 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

He's literally a loan?

What's the clause for buying him? Does anyone know? I doubt we'll buy him regardless of clauses because - we can't afford to

Pretty sure it was announced that the option to make the loan permanent was in our favour?

The terms would normally be agreed pre-loan in that case, so the commercials would all be in place.

[Tomphil2]

5 hours ago, neophox said:

Maybe loan him out to league one to build him up.

There's always hope for someone who will graft on the pitch, although i get Jake Garret vibes from De Neve.

[chaddyrovers]

26 minutes ago, Andy said:

Pretty sure it was announced that the option to make the loan permanent was in our favour?

The terms would normally be agreed pre-loan in that case, so the commercials would all be in place.

correct. We have a fixed fee to sign him. 

Given he was key target for Ismael and Rovers, I fully expect this transfer to be permanent before end of the season 

[roversfan99]

15 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Maybe we should have signed Sanderson last season when we had the option. Would you have done that given what we know now

The point I made was nothing to do with signing Sanderson.

It was that discussing whether we have got better or worse would be based on the players we had last season, not how they have done since.

14 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Gudjohnsen, Alebiosu, Miller, McLoughlin has good signings. 

Baradji look like he will be. 

Some havent

How can you possibly say already that Baradji looks like he will be a good signing.

Its Christmas, and he hasnt started a game. You are quick to shoot down people for what you perceive to be writing off players when its the other way around, even half a season in having started games.

11 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Gudjohnsen has decent link up play. 

Alebiosu has been our star signing.

Morishita has been solid signing. 

McLoughlin and Miller has been more than solid signings, yet the odd bad performance grant

Baradji is the one I want to see more off. 

TGH has been orite

Not every signing will work out but that's normal within a football club

Its flippant to say that all clubs have signings that wont work out.

Most clubs dont have windows with as many total duds, with as many holes in their squad and with as drastic a drop in results.

[roversfan99]

14 hours ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

And I think McLaughlin is of equal measure 

You think McLaughlin this season is equal to Batth of last season? Really?

[RoversClitheroe]

9 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

No. Wrong type of player for us. What has he done since he was managed by Pochettino

Alli is miles and miles ahead of Cantwell

[Paul Mani]

Not sure as a fan I’ve seen enough to write any of the new signings off yet, though I understand why Vi believes he can.

Heres my take:

Has worked / shown enough - McLoughlin, Miller, Alebiosu, Morishita, Gudjohnson.

Jury is out - Tavares, Baradji, TGH, Henriksson, DeNeve

Based on circumstances, and our need to clear some space for the “3 or 4” Val wants, it’ll be TGH, and DeNeve at most risk, plus Gueye, Pickering, and maybe Kargbo. With a view to signing a RWB, O’riordan back from loan and 2x Strikers (1x foreign buy, 1x loan).

Note - Midfield will need a full review in the summer. With Sonny leaving we’ll have to see if the likes of Baradji, Tavares, and Henriksson have kicked on.

[Exiled_Rover]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

You think McLaughlin this season is equal to Batth of last season? Really?

If people think McLaughlin is slow I shudder to think what they'd think of Batth in a back 3. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

You think McLaughlin this season is equal to Batth of last season? Really?

To date yes - I think batth was massively aided by hyam and the fact McLaughlin doesn’t have that experience beside him and he’s that man then yes all things considered I do

again as I wrote at the beginning we are joint 7th best defence in the league (doesn’t feel like it but we are) he has been the main stay in that defence with others dropping in and out with injury so I’d say given all that he’s at least on a par with batth 100%

[RevidgeBlue]

4 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Not sure as a fan I’ve seen enough to write any of the new signings off yet, though I understand why Vi believes he can.

Heres my take:

Has worked / shown enough - McLoughlin, Miller, Alebiosu, Morishita, Gudjohnson.

Jury is out - Tavares, Baradji, TGH, Henriksson, DeNeve

Based on circumstances, and our need to clear some space for the “3 or 4” Val wants, it’ll be TGH, and DeNeve at most risk, plus Gueye, Pickering, and maybe Kargbo. With a view to signing a RWB, O’riordan back from loan and 2x Strikers (1x foreign buy, 1x loan).

Note - Midfield will need a full review in the summer. With Sonny leaving we’ll have to see if the likes of Baradji, Tavares, and Henriksson have kicked on.

Oh great - the Club's unofficial PR Department is back to tell us what a great window we're going to have/ are having.

If "the jury is out" on Tavares, Henrikssen and De Neve they must have been fast asleep all the way through the trial!

Also slightly harsh on TGH, not brilliant, but far from the worst out of the sea of dross signed in summer.

[MarkBRFC]

11 hours ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Why would it say a lot? We were willing to sell our best cb and captain on the cheap doesn’t mean they were poor players 

Thats venkys rovers of 15 years for you. Not comparable at all.

4 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

 

Jury is out - Tavares, Baradji, TGH, Henriksson, De Neve

Note - Midfield will need a full review in the summer. With Sonny leaving we’ll have to see if the likes of Baradji, Tavares, and Henriksson have kicked on.

Baradji looks like he can play from what we have seen.

Forshaw has been better than Tavares and Henriksson though which says a lot.

TGH whilst not brilliant shouldn't be put in with that group.

33 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

he has been the main stay in that defence with others dropping in and out with injury so I’d say given all that he’s at least on a par with batth 100%

Think Batth was much better last season than McLoughlin has been this season.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

35 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Thats venkys rovers of 15 years for you. Not comparable at all.

Baradji looks like he can play from what we have seen.

Forshaw has been better than Tavares and Henriksson though which says a lot.

TGH whilst not brilliant shouldn't be put in with that group.

Think Batth was much better last season than McLoughlin has been this season.

All about opinions will agree to disagree on this one 

[TugaysMarlboro]

6 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Not sure as a fan I’ve seen enough to write any of the new signings off yet, though I understand why Vi believes he can.

Heres my take:

Has worked / shown enough - McLoughlin, Miller, Alebiosu, Morishita, Gudjohnson.

Jury is out - Tavares, Baradji, TGH, Henriksson, DeNeve

Based on circumstances, and our need to clear some space for the “3 or 4” Val wants, it’ll be TGH, and DeNeve at most risk, plus Gueye, Pickering, and maybe Kargbo. With a view to signing a RWB, O’riordan back from loan and 2x Strikers (1x foreign buy, 1x loan).

Note - Midfield will need a full review in the summer. With Sonny leaving we’ll have to see if the likes of Baradji, Tavares, and Henriksson have kicked on.

What have you seen from De Neve that makes you feel it's too early to judge?

[robbojohnno]

McLaughlin is bang average which was highlighted plenty of times earlier in the season at left of three centre backs. As the central defender of three he is even worse but has been protected well by Miller and Pratt either side who have natural defensive instincts. Mclaughlin wins very few duels, gets too tight/easily turned and thinks hes better than he is which means he spends far too much time playing at the back when we should be trying to get the ball into Cantwell/Morishita and the 2 strikers. First job in January is to get someone competent to replace him as the central defender of the three. No issues with him as a sub/backup as hes always fit and gives 100%.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

13 minutes ago, TugaysMarlboro said:

What have you seen from De Neve that makes you feel it's too early to judge?

It took me about 30 minutes at the Accy Stanley friendly. He looked like somebody who had just come out of the crowd  to make up the numbers.

[DE.]

I think our league position tells you everything you need to know about the summer window. The idea that the majority of our signings have been good and only a couple didn't work out doesn't really align with our swift downward trajectory from playoff hopefuls to survival hopefuls. 

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, DE. said:

I think our league position tells you everything you need to know about the summer window. The idea that the majority of our signings have been good and only a couple didn't work out doesn't really align with our swift downward trajectory from playoff hopefuls to survival hopefuls. 

This.

(Plus the Head Coach is a huge downgrade)

Edited 4 hours ago by RevidgeBlue

[Hasta]

McLaughlin has done ok as a squad player / cover who has had to play far more than anticipated. Same with TGH.

However Batth was simply far better last season. My POTY, and had he not got injured for those six game when Ismael took over we would have probably finished top 6.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

56 minutes ago, DE. said:

I think our league position tells you everything you need to know about the summer window. The idea that the majority of our signings have been good and only a couple didn't work out doesn't really align with our swift downward trajectory from playoff hopefuls to survival hopefuls. 

Who has said the majority have been good? 

[DE.]

7 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Who has said the majority have been good? 

If 6/10 of our signings are C or above (mostly A or then that is the majority. Granted maybe C is more adequate than good, but still.