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42 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Hilton and Fisher are rated by the manager but Mowbray wants Hilton to go out on loan next season and play 1st team football. On Fisher he had 2 loan spells at different clubs and never played a single league game at league 1 or 2. so why would he be good enough for the championship?

Mourinho and Benitez never played pro football. How do you know he isn't good enough? 

why Flowers? 

If Benson wasn't good enough why would Mowbray keep him in the role?

Just because Mowbray does something doesnt mean it is right or that the person in question is competent. Why would Mowbray keep Bennett as captain? Why would Mowbray sign Gladwin, Hart, Gallagher, Brereton etc? 

People are right to question the goalkeeping coach considering his standard and more so the lack of progress by the goalkeepers during that time.

Raya made quite a few mistakes last season, no matter whether you like that he made a solitary error last weekend, he has conceded far less goals and has impressed and got many plaudits working under a new coach.

Meanwhile, Walton has been poor this season especially towards the end of it, hardly signalling progress under Benson.

Seems like we can expect another loaned goalkeeper next season. Highlighting further the idiocy of sacrificing Raya to get a striker to play on the wing!

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I’m not fussed about having a keeper who pulls off plenty of worldies but who also has a regular mistake lurking around. I prefer the Jim Arnold or John Filan type who, whilst not in the top bracket, are a steady safe pair of hands week after week. Of course, if you can find a Roger Jones or Brad Friedel, you’ve hit the jackpot but they cost money

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44 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

but is he a good goalkeeper coach. 

Someone like Bobby Mimms was a good goalkeeper coach. Look at his work with Paul Robinson to regain his confidence. 

But if Benson wasn't good enough why would Mowbray keep him in that role? 

Being good at your chosen specialisation is always a good start. Mowbray May keep Benson for the same reason he keeps picking Bennett at left back

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3 minutes ago, renrag said:

I’m not fussed about having a keeper who pulls off plenty of worldies but who also has a regular mistake lurking around. I prefer the Jim Arnold or John Filan type who, whilst not in the top bracket, are a steady safe pair of hands week after week. Of course, if you can find a Roger Jones or Brad Friedel, you’ve hit the jackpot but they cost money

The goalkeeper should only ever be spoke about for one reason and that is because he made a great save.

Every other week I want to be walking away thinking about something else other than him. If he's a regular focus of conversation then he's usually not a very good goalkeeper.

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10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Just because Mowbray does something doesnt mean it is right or that the person in question is competent. 

Raya made quite a few mistakes last season, no matter whether you like that he made a solitary error last weekend, he has conceded far less goals and has impressed and got many plaudits working under a new coach.

Walton has been poor this season 

Seems like we can expect another loaned goalkeeper next season. 

Raya has made mistakes this season. 

Working under a new coach? You mean the goalkeeper coach who.left Brentford for Arsenal during season. 

I think I've said Walton has been poor this season. Who hasnt that. Hes not be good enough. 

No its doesn't seems like we can another loan keeper next season. All depends on the budget he gets. Sounds like he has spoken to agents of players we looking at but people are in waiting faze

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19 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Mowbray: "the goal keeping department of our football club is something that is going to change quite dramatically"

As always I wonder what he actually means, a complete revamp hopefully

I just hope that this doesn't become next season's "defenders are coming"

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Rob Elliot has been freed by Newcastle. He’s a handy keeper.

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1 hour ago, darrenrover said:

I'm unsure what you were trying to say there but both Hilton and Fisher are well thought of and both need first team action. Luton would be an ideal debut for either.

I was assuming they dont rate the youngsters.

If they think either has a chance of making it and they have been in training then they need to be playing.

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6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Raya has made mistakes this season. 

Working under a new coach? You mean the goalkeeper coach who.left Brentford for Arsenal during season. 

I think I've said Walton has been poor this season. Who hasnt that. Hes not be good enough. 

No its doesn't seems like we can another loan keeper next season. All depends on the budget he gets. Sounds like he has spoken to agents of players we looking at but people are in waiting faze

All keepers make mistakes. Im not Rayas biggest fan although I dont get any pleasure out of it when he does now. But hes got plenty of plaudits this season and conceded far less than Walton so people are understandably looking at a superior goalkeeping coachs potential impact. Saw Raya play v PNE last week and he was very impressive.

Would you agree that the decision to sell Raya, buy Gallagher and loan Walton, all of which are connected, has been a really poor one?

Hes conceded farMowbray has mentioned 5-6 loans in his interview today. I suspect considering the financial climate that loans will top the bill.

Of course Venkys are holding us back again with their

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10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Working under a new coach? You mean the goalkeeper coach who.left Brentford for Arsenal during season. 

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, but I'll bite... 

Surely if the goalkeeping coach has been poached by Arsenal then this goes some way to show how highly rated this coach is. 

And the guy who replaced him has actually played professionally as a goalkeeper. 

Neither of which seems to apply to our current gk coach. 

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Just now, roversfan99 said:

All keepers make mistakes. Im not Rayas biggest fan although I dont get any pleasure out of it when he does now. But hes got plenty of plaudits this season and conceded far less than Walton so people are understandably looking at a superior goalkeeping coachs potential impact. Saw Raya play v PNE last week and he was very impressive.

Would you agree that the decision to sell Raya, buy Gallagher and loan Walton, all of which are connected, has been a really poor one?

Hes conceded farMowbray has mentioned 5-6 loans in his interview today. I suspect considering the financial climate that loans will top the bill.

Of course Venkys are holding us back again with their

and Raya's mistake on Saturday cost Brentford the win. He has made other mistakes aswell this season so dont keep overlooking them. I still remember his mistake against Birmingham at Ewood Park which allowed them a chance back into the game cos they werent coming back until that penalty. 

Well no they arent connected cos Walton wasn't Mowbray 1st 2 choices to replace as we know. if we got them then we wouldn't have gone Walton. I have said that Walton has been poor this season. Not played good enough all season. 

I am fully aware of what Mowbray has said since I was the one who posted the link. Yes Mowbray mention 5 or 6 loans. We need to wait and see

I didn't mention Venkys which you are obsess with instead of listening to exactly what Mowbray said about players agents wanting to wait and see due to the current climate.

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4 minutes ago, DarthPaul said:

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, but I'll bite... 

Surely if the goalkeeping coach has been poached by Arsenal then this goes some way to show how highly rated this coach is. 

And the guy who replaced him has actually played professionally as a goalkeeper. 

Neither of which seems to apply to our current gk coach. 

Raya mention the Brentford GK coach as one of the reasons he signed there. 

And if Mowbray didn't want Benson to stay as GK coach he would have replace him and not offered the job in the 1st place

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9 minutes ago, renrag said:

In seventy odd years of watching Rovers and, unless my memory is letting me down I can only think of Paul Bradshaw and, to a lesser extent, Graham Moseley and Frank Fielding, who came through the ranks and went on to have decent careers as goalkeepers. That’s not very impressive.

Shay Given didn't do too badly! ;)

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1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Mourinho ,along with others, never played professional football. Have ye seen the guy coach? Otherwise what's this opinion based on? 

Seen him at Brockhall and seen his pre match drills.

IMO, the guy has no personality, presence, bounce or drive.  I think he is way, way out of his depth.  From observations, I think Raya had little respect for him.

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Just now, darrenrover said:

Shay Given didn't do too badly! ;)

Shay Given was signed though wasn't he? Pretty sure he came up through Celtic's youth team.

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14 minutes ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

I was assuming they dont rate the youngsters.

If they think either has a chance of making it and they have been in training then they need to be playing.

In seventy odd years of watching Rovers, unless my memory is letting me down, I can only think of Paul Bradshaw and, to a lesser extent, Graham Moseley and Frank Fielding, to have come through the ranks and gone on to have decent careers as goalkeepers. That’s not very impressive.

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

but is he a good goalkeeper coach. 

Someone like Bobby Mimms was a good goalkeeper coach. Look at his work with Paul Robinson to regain his confidence. 

But if Benson wasn't good enough why would Mowbray keep him in that role? 

IMO, for similar reasons that Waggott keeps Mowbray in his role!!!

Mowbray, Venus, Lowe and Benson, IMO, all need binning. 

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Just now, Mercer said:

or similar reasons that Waggott keeps Mowbray in his role!!!

Waggott doesn't have the authority IMO to sack Mowbray as this decision would be done only at Ownership level

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8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Raya mention the Brentford GK coach as one of the reasons he signed there. Again, not really a vote of confidence for our set up. 

And if Mowbray didn't want Benson to stay as GK coach he would have replace him and not offered the job in the 1st place Financial? 

 

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Just now, MarkBRFC said:

 

Shay Given was signed though wasn't he? Pretty sure he came up through Celtic's youth team.

50/50, I think he was 17 or so when he came to Rovers.

 

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Just now, Mercer said:

Seen him at Brockhall and seen his pre match drills.

IMO, the guy has no personality, presence, bounce or drive.  I think he is way, way out of his depth.  From observations, I think Raya had little respect for him.

Bloody hell. You must be an observational guy.

You have managed to determine a blokes character, determination and the respect he has from others by watching him perform some pre-match drills.

Was it the way he threw the cones down that had you deduce he had no personality?

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4 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

Shay Given didn't do too badly! ;)

True, but he came from the Celtic youth set up as an 18 year old

Edited by renrag

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2 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Bloody hell. You must be an observational guy.

You have managed to determine a blokes character, determination and the respect he has from others by watching him perform some pre-match drills.

Was it the way he threw the cones down that had you deduce he had no personality?

“During my highly successful time in business, I could tell in 0.25 seconds if someone ‘has it’. If they don’t I sack them before they’ve taken their coat off”

Edited by Mattyblue

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Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Waggott doesn't have the authority IMO to sack Mowbray as this decision would be done only at Ownership level

He probably doesn't but he should be able to put a case together for a decision to be sanctioned by the owners, including a potential list of replacements.

The issue is, Mowbray may be achieving, or even overachieving the goals stipulated by the owners, as far as we know. If that's the case, as I suspect it well may be, Mowbray's going nowhere unless he jacks.

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