Venkys - Welcome or Not?

[Exiled in Toronto 2690]

26 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Of course, because nothing dodgy or untoward has happened around Rovers under this regime has it?

I don’t think it’s too happy clappy to observe that the last 12-15 months have been somewhat different to the previous seven years; that Tony Mowbray has nothing whatsoever in common with Steve Kean; that Waggott isn’t Agnew; that Venkys (who visit Ewood as often as the Queen) have done nothing in that time other than send money to be well invested by the best manager since Hughes.

Does this erase the previous 7 years? No. Is it logical to think that nothing at all has changed since then? No.

The catalyst was clearly the two accountancy consulting firms coming in. That was VERY different, and everything has been different since.

[yeti-dog 563]

48 minutes ago, roverandout said:

As long as the cluck off when we go up..im happy

Don't be naive - the last thing they'll do if we do get promoted is feck off. That's their chance to start to claw some money back.. 

[Yoogo 3088]

10 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

I don’t think it’s too happy clappy to observe that the last 12-15 months have been somewhat different to the previous seven years; that Tony Mowbray has nothing whatsoever in common with Steve Kean; that Waggott isn’t Agnew; that Venkys (who visit Ewood as often as the Queen) have done nothing in that time other than send money to be well invested by the best manager since Hughes.

Allardyce > Mowbray. At least his record says so. I just watched an interview of him, describing the football he had them playing at West Ham as scintillating, getting Everton up to 8th after the mess they were in, etc. The long ball tag is a load of nonsense. I can think of a number of managers at Rovers since Allardyce who played longer ball football than he ever did!

[Hasta 3389]

2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Told what, by who? They were/are in a bubble in India. Why would those on the ground at the club tell them that things were gone to shit? 

 

John Williams in the leaked letter.

[1864roverite 2417]

What is evidently clear is that there is some common sense decision making going on behind the scenes. Having settled proper footballing staff in place is helping to stabilise the club, get it on the right footing which is paying dividends on and off the pitch.

The Rovers public now need to do their bit and join in because we are seeing a huge wave of positivity at the club and the team ethic on that park is as good if not better than when we won the Premiership.

We Owe a huge thanks to TM and his staff who have worked a miracle in ridding the ghosts of Keanscum and Coyle and the self righteous scum that had riddled our club from top to bottom for 7 years bringing it to its knees and destroying the great and good name of BRFC

[tomphil 12376]

2 hours ago, Hasta said:

John Williams in the leaked letter.

Paul Hunt publically told them as well and in doing so effectively signed his own P45.

[Yoogo 3088]

7 minutes ago, Vinjay17 said:

Don't you think there's any chance that Venkys are playing some kind of sick psychological game though? That to get their "revenge" on the Blackburn public they have manipulated this situation with the full intention of swerving us at any moment?

Yes, because that's what people who run multimillion pound companies spend time doing.

I couldn't even be bothered reading past that part of your post.

[Stuart 16225]

38 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Paul Hunt publically told them as well and in doing so effectively signed his own P45.

BRFCS even told them. In person. In India.

[tomphil 12376]

14 minutes ago, Stuart said:

BRFCS even told them. In person. In India.

4000 Rovers fans at Wigan gave them a few pointers as well, they then gave Kean a new contract !

[Hasta 3389]

10 minutes ago, Vinjay17 said:

...so I'm allegedly belittling the magnitude of those events and "yer a nob" is your final damning summation? I'm not belittling those events at all. It's extremely hypothetical for one thing besides what already exists and that's Howard Walker's hatred for this club.

Them having hatred for the club is one thing. Saying you believe they hope large numbers of innocent supporters die in a tragic event related to the club is something else.

S8 & Blue's summary is pretty spot on.

Edited August 29, 2018 by Hasta

[47er 8655]

After all that had gone on for several years, to then appoint Coyle at the last minute spoke volumes about the Raos. They learned nothing from the disaster they caused.

I could never trust them after that.

I think, and I said this months ago, that they have bought into TM's vision for the club. At last they have seen that their interests and our's coincide. Good on TM, he's done what no-one else managed to do.

He's persuaded them what we all knew all along, that the only way they will ever get their lost millions back is if they invest in player stock and get us back in the Premiership. (This is my theory anyway.)

At that point I hope they bugger off and never darken our doors again.

[Leonard Venkhater 3923]

2 hours ago, tomphil said:

4000 Rovers fans at Wigan gave them a few pointers as well, they then gave Kean a new contract !

I know one member of this very forum, who actually got to speak to Balaji at Wigan, asking him how SK was still in a job.

[old darwen blue 1580]

14 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

I know one member of this very forum, who actually got to speak to Balaji at Wigan, asking him how SK was still in a job.

Think Abs gave them certain advice face to face as well. 

[bluebruce 4317]

9 hours ago, JHRover said:

 

As it stands it will be goodbye to Mulgrew, Downing, Caddis, Whittingham, Gladwin, Palmer, Rodwell, Reed, Evans, Conway and Graham. Irrespective of the abilities of those players we haven't got a big squad now and almost half of it will need replacing from somewhere. A complex and expensive job.

An opportunity and I suppose potentially exciting if we get serious money to do it with but that would, in my opinion, require a budget bigger than the one we've had this summer and serious money spending on multiple positions.

This won't necessarily be such a huge or costly rebuilding job.

Whittingham, Gladwin and Caddis don't factor in. They are deadwood that never makes the squad, and if we are desparate enough with injuries to go there for bench spots briefly, I'm fine to use youth players. We should stop mentioning them in this context immediately, they simply don't need replacing.

Downing would be super easy to get to sign another deal if we decide we want him. If not, Wharton will be more experienced by then. Almost a non-issue again.

The big ones there are Graham, Mulgrew and Evans. If by the end of the season they still seem to have enough in them to go again next season, I am sure we will offer new deals. We then may or may not keep them. Much will depend on how their bodies are coping and what wages they expect. If we do lose all (or more likely just some) of them, Evans isn't that big a deal as we have a billion players in that area - some are young and should be better by then.

Rodwell is a funny one. If he does well enough, we will either keep him or be priced out of his wages. Either way, centre halves aren't that expensive, and again we have a billion DMs.

Conway probably won't be offered another deal. Squad player at the moment, so probably not tough or pricey to replace (I'd go for a cheap, youthful gamble). Might have Chapman before then, if not, he could be available for just a tribunal fee.

That leaves the loanees, Palmer and Reed. Maybe signing them (Reed anyway) on perms will become possible if we want them, or even loaning them again. If not, just dip into the loan market again (also potentially an option for other areas remember).

The only thing I'd say is certain for replacing these guys (except a cheap Conway replacement) is that we WILL need to sign another striker. Even if we keep Graham on, it would surely be his last season, with his legs potentially going at any time, and a highly capable understudy would be paramout. Good strikers aren't cheap. If Brereton and/or Arma come along nicely enough this season though, we may only be looking at a cheapish gamble.

What you have left out is the dreaded but very feasible prospect of losing Dack in the summer. The money would help us source a replacement (and maybe fund other positions too), but the likelihood is our quality in that position would diminish.

To me, a nightmare scenario for rebuilding in the summer would be losing Graham, Mulgrew and Evans to bosmans, and having to sell Dack and maybe Raya if he has a great season. That would rip the whole spine from this team, front to back. Losing Lenihan may also be a risk.

[JHRover 11558]

6 hours ago, bluebruce said:

This won't necessarily be such a huge or costly rebuilding job.

Whittingham, Gladwin and Caddis don't factor in. They are deadwood that never makes the squad, and if we are desparate enough with injuries to go there for bench spots briefly, I'm fine to use youth players. We should stop mentioning them in this context immediately, they simply don't need replacing.

Downing would be super easy to get to sign another deal if we decide we want him. If not, Wharton will be more experienced by then. Almost a non-issue again.

The big ones there are Graham, Mulgrew and Evans. If by the end of the season they still seem to have enough in them to go again next season, I am sure we will offer new deals. We then may or may not keep them. Much will depend on how their bodies are coping and what wages they expect. If we do lose all (or more likely just some) of them, Evans isn't that big a deal as we have a billion players in that area - some are young and should be better by then.

Rodwell is a funny one. If he does well enough, we will either keep him or be priced out of his wages. Either way, centre halves aren't that expensive, and again we have a billion DMs.

Conway probably won't be offered another deal. Squad player at the moment, so probably not tough or pricey to replace (I'd go for a cheap, youthful gamble). Might have Chapman before then, if not, he could be available for just a tribunal fee.

That leaves the loanees, Palmer and Reed. Maybe signing them (Reed anyway) on perms will become possible if we want them, or even loaning them again. If not, just dip into the loan market again (also potentially an option for other areas remember).

The only thing I'd say is certain for replacing these guys (except a cheap Conway replacement) is that we WILL need to sign another striker. Even if we keep Graham on, it would surely be his last season, with his legs potentially going at any time, and a highly capable understudy would be paramout. Good strikers aren't cheap. If Brereton and/or Arma come along nicely enough this season though, we may only be looking at a cheapish gamble.

What you have left out is the dreaded but very feasible prospect of losing Dack in the summer. The money would help us source a replacement (and maybe fund other positions too), but the likelihood is our quality in that position would diminish.

To me, a nightmare scenario for rebuilding in the summer would be losing Graham, Mulgrew and Evans to bosmans, and having to sell Dack and maybe Raya if he has a great season. That would rip the whole spine from this team, front to back. Losing Lenihan may also be a risk.

The only worry we should have on Dack is if a Premier League club comes in strong for him. For that to happen he would have to have an excellent season in the Championship. Even then it isn't very often these days that players in the Championship get picked up by Premier League clubs unless they have excelled consistently for a long time.

We'd be no different to any other Championship club in that situation - we would probably have to sell him or offer him a mega deal to try and get him to stay here. That's life and I would have no complaints if he ended up being sold to a top flight club provided we got a decent fee and REINVESTED the proceeds. We'd probably be looking at the likes of Bournemouth on that as they seem to like going for promising British players.

If we're in the business of selling our star players to Championship rivals then no doubt there would be a collection of clubs queuing up to try and get him and that's where the anger develops as we don't need to do that.

Fortunately at the moment we don't seem to be in the business of inviting interest as we were a couple of years ago. So long as we get the message out that he isn't for sale to Championship clubs then the majority will understand that message and won't waste their time trying. When we do like we did with Cairney, Rhodes and Hanley and openly invite bids and are seen to be willing to discuss it then all sorts of clubs will chuck bids in to try and get deals done and it becomes a snowball effect.

Depends how serious we are on keeping them. Make your better players feel wanted and resist interest fiercely and that's half the job done. Invite interest and start selling and it encourages more.

[tomphil 12376]

9 hours ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

I know one member of this very forum, who actually got to speak to Balaji at Wigan, asking him how SK was still in a job.

If rumours are true members of their crew were accosted before the game outside and in the corridors of the DW along with the obvious unrest in the away end which prompted them to flee at half time. But of course they didn't know all was unwell !!!

[Leonard Venkhater 3923]

20 minutes ago, tomphil said:

If rumours are true members of their crew were accosted before the game outside and in the corridors of the DW along with the obvious unrest in the away end which prompted them to flee at half time. But of course they didn't know all was unwell !!!

Exactly.

I guess that was my point. Arrogant refusal to listen and denial.

Throw in a potion of secrecy and there we go etc.

The whole idea of "wrongly advised" victims, being merely "acted upon" by evil others just doesn't wash...imo

[Norbert Rassragr 1509]

Someone, somewhere must have told them how to run a football club and they listened. Since Mowbray came in, things have been sort of normal. No more parallel board structures fighting each other, agents employing their children or 5th rate TV pundits signing Portuguese bus drivers to play. After 7 years of madness it is very strange.

Edited August 30, 2018 by Norbert Rassragr

[Leonard Venkhater 3923]

18 minutes ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Someone, somewhere must have told them how to run a football club and they listened. Since Mowbray came in, things have been sort of normal. No more parallel board structures fighting each other, agents employing their children or 5th rate TV pundits signing Portuguese bus drivers to play. After 7 years of madness it is very strange.

Strange, indeed. Enjoying being a Rovers fan again. But I do feel a bit uneasy..

Waters are calm, ....but a shark attack could be imminent..waiting for that music!

[starscascade 50]

Loving it, I mean 9 points in 5 games in a higher division is a good start. It could've been better too, (Ipswich away could've been easily 2-1). In perspective, how long did it take us to get our first win in 'unspeakable' 2016/2017 season?

Yeah, I feel uneasy too..almost like it's all too good to be true.

[47er 8655]

1 hour ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Strange, indeed. Enjoying being a Rovers fan again. But I do feel a bit uneasy..

Waters are calm, ....but a shark attack could be imminent..waiting for that music!

I really relate to that. Feeling happier and excited about Rovers for the first time in years.

But can't help keep looking over my shoulder!

[MarkBRFC 2507]

Aslong as things are going well on the pitch, nobody cares about any horrible things, or wrong doings that the owners are doing/have done behind the scenes.

That is the way it is, and always will be with 99% of football fans up and down the land.

 

[blueboy3333 8316]

18 hours ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

I know one member of this very forum, who actually got to speak to Balaji at Wigan, asking him how SK was still in a job.

what did he say in response?

Edited August 30, 2018 by blueboy3333

[Leonard Venkhater 3923]

6 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

what did he say in response?

Nothing meaningful, I don't think. From memory, I think  minders ushered him away before there was any proper dialogue.

Anyway, Balaji (and the others) could not have failed to register extreme dissatisfaction from at least one sensible supporter to go with all the anger from  the away fans in the stand.

[Parsonblue 5317]

Waggott and Mowbray seem to deal only with Mrs Desai and her husband now.  Which suggests that Balaji has been shunted aside - which probably explains why the club is now being run on more sensible lines.