Venky’s v Indian Government (a) - 5/8/2025 - Post-Season Friendly (s/t late postponements)

[Upside Down]

8 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Are there any towns or villages saying ‘Venky’s Out’? 
 

Getting Pasha out, like getting Waggott out, will achieve the square root of fuck all.

It tightenes the screw, but yes the ultimate aim has to be to remove the owners.

[blondie]

Rovers recently lost a supporter of nigh on 70 years, a dear friend, who has watched Rovers through thick and thin.

Overnight journeys to the south following Rovers in the days of arduous rail travel.

Long road trips, ever optimistic of a result, camaraderie, lifelong friendships, forged through pride in a club that knew its place.

The halcyon days of Jack Walker, living a dream, yet always remembering the days of less fortuitous times.

European adventures good and bad, winning at Wembley, semi-final heartaches.

Hopes of revival after relegation, and then the realisation of the reality, of football owners purchasing a club, not understanding the weight of moral responsibility, a plaything that has now been discarded and left to it's own devices.

We will carry on this responsibility, as my generation ,our children. grand- children will in turn wait to see  a return to owners that value the responsibility that ownership of the Rovers deserves. 

Shame on you Venky's.

[Crimpshrine]

12 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

Are there any towns or villages saying ‘Venky’s Out’? 
 

Getting Pasha out, like getting Waggott out, will achieve the square root of fuck all.

Totally different situation. Waggott was due to go soon and had very little recent contact with the owners and very little influence over the past 12 months or so. I think Venky's lost faith in him a while ago.

Pasha is the one who feeds all the false positives back to India. They rely on him totally. He is the one who is driving the cost cutting, aiming to sell any asset worth a few bob and telling the owners all will be well.

They will not sack Pasha but he hates any public exposure. If we can keep up the pressure on him personally to a point where he decides he has had enough and he resigns, it could mean Venky's would have to become more directly involved and possibly make them realise what a shit show it really is. They may not care too much, but getting rid of Pasha would cause far more problems for them than getting rid of Waggott.

[47er]

4 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

Totally different situation. Waggott was due to go soon and had very little recent contact with the owners and very little influence over the past 12 months or so. I think Venky's lost faith in him a while ago.

Pasha is the one who feeds all the false positives back to India. They rely on him totally. He is the one who is driving the cost cutting, aiming to sell any asset worth a few bob and telling the owners all will be well.

They will not sack Pasha but he hates any public exposure. If we can keep up the pressure on him personally to a point where he decides he has had enough and he resigns, it could mean Venky's would have to become more directly involved and possibly make them realise what a shit show it really is. They may not care too much, but getting rid of Pasha would cause far more problems for them than getting rid of Waggott.

Let's not be confused though---getting rid of Pasha would surely not mean Venkys would replace him with someone competent and worthy. Nothing would change.

Ultimately we want a sale.

[Tomphil2]

And if he'd reduced season tickets to £150 adults as a one off celebration to the clubs historic birthday he'd have averted a lot of flak even with the mess on the contact situations, comings and goings.

We'd be guaranteed 15k+ every home attendance leading to a 17/18k average at least over the season, better atmosphere and bigger takings in all other aspects of the club.  A shortfall in ticket income if there actually was any is surely offset by all the transfer income and increase in other revenue.

No better time to do it for a number of reasons but instead he chose to cry about losing a few grand due to Steve's £20 quid discount and the leccy bill going up.

Absolute corner shop mentality.

[lraC]

1 hour ago, Crimpshrine said:

Totally different situation. Waggott was due to go soon and had very little recent contact with the owners and very little influence over the past 12 months or so. I think Venky's lost faith in him a while ago.

Pasha is the one who feeds all the false positives back to India. They rely on him totally. He is the one who is driving the cost cutting, aiming to sell any asset worth a few bob and telling the owners all will be well.

They will not sack Pasha but he hates any public exposure. If we can keep up the pressure on him personally to a point where he decides he has had enough and he resigns, it could mean Venky's would have to become more directly involved and possibly make them realise what a shit show it really is. They may not care too much, but getting rid of Pasha would cause far more problems for them than getting rid of Waggott.

I am pretty convinced, that if Pasha goes, it will be game over for the owners.

As you have pointed out, he is the one feeding back to the owners and has tried to hide some of the unrest from them and made things out, to be a whole lot healthier than they are.

More people are aware that he does not like publicity and it has been posted on here, that he actually fled the building, when a fans meeting, involving him, was due to get underway.

He avoided getting involved in any of the fan meetings, until he was shamed into attending one and I think the tactic of focusing on him, is a good one.

For anyone prepared to criticise, fine, as it won't suit everyone, as these things never do, but fairs fair, anyone criticising,, needs to put as much effort into their ideas too, as sitting back and criticising others, but but nothing yourself, is without doubt less effective in getting our club back. 

[Forever Blue]

24 minutes ago, lraC said:

I have no idea, but I doff my cap to those who have done this, as sitting back and doing nothing, is not an option, so anyone prepared to roll their sleeves up and get stuck in, has to be admired, not criticised, surely. 

I didn’t criticise, just stated the obvious.

 

 

[47er]

18 minutes ago, lraC said:

I am pretty convinced, that if Pasha goes, it will be game over for the owners.

As you have pointed out, he is the one feeding back to the owners and has tried to hide some of the unrest from them and made things out, to be a whole lot healthier than they are.

More people are aware that he does not like publicity and it has been posted on here, that he actually fled the building, when a fans meeting, involving him, was due to get underway.

He avoided getting involved in any of the fan meetings, until he was shamed into attending one and I think the tactic of focusing on him, is a good one.

For anyone prepared to criticise, fine, as it won't suit everyone, as these things never do, but fairs fair, anyone criticising,, needs to put as much effort into their ideas too, as sitting back and criticising others, but but nothing yourself, is without doubt less effective in getting our club back. 

Certainly well done to those who put in a great effort. Superb idea.

But I'm not convinced they'll sack him, they are too stubborn and proud.

Nor am I convinced that sacking him would mean the end of them---for the same reasons.

But it would be some sort victory for us  to celebrate if only short -term.

I think it'll be the financial situation that will finally do for them and they'll clear off when we are in a lower division and crowds have dwindled further.

More misery to come I believe.

 

 

[Crimpshrine]

29 minutes ago, 47er said:

Certainly well done to those who put in a great effort. Superb idea.

But I'm not convinced they'll sack him, they are too stubborn and proud.

Nor am I convinced that sacking him would mean the end of them---for the same reasons.

But it would be some sort victory for us  to celebrate if only short -term.

I think it'll be the financial situation that will finally do for them and they'll clear off when we are in a lower division and crowds have dwindled further.

More misery to come I believe.

 

 

I don't think they will sack him either but I know he really flaps under pressure and hates publicity. He may decide he's had enough if he gest plenty of flak publicly.

[lraC]

2 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

I didn’t criticise, just stated the obvious.

 

 

I didn’t say YOU did, so wonder why YOU responded? 

[Tomphil2]

They'll not sack him and if he left we'd probably get the London based finance guy who was appointed to the board rocking up and overseeing matters.

I sense he might be behind a lot of the recent cuts on top of the thumbscrews the other two were already operating. Just like the rest of them he'd then spot his own opportunity to ride the gravy train and enjoy all the perks.

[lraC]

1 hour ago, Crimpshrine said:

I don't think they will sack him either but I know he really flaps under pressure and hates publicity. He may decide he's had enough if he gest plenty of flak publicly.

I think the coalition had Waggott and Pasha in their sights and think that is the logical way, given the difficulty in getting any traction in India.

If Pasha does crumble, as expected the foundations are ripped away and I expect it to topple. 

[Exiled_Rover]

 

A second division club with no history and no sizeable fan base.

Meanwhile the Venkys continue to strangle the life out of our club with their cold, dead hands. 

 

[jim mk2]

23 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

 

A second division club with no history and no sizeable fan base.

 

Plymouth Argyle was founded in 1886 - how much history do you want?

Average gates at Home Park in 2024-25 were about 16,500 compared to about 16,150 at Ewood

[Mattyblue]

Hang on a minute, Jim, thought you were usually bemoaning ‘nothing southern clubs that have spent most of their time in the third and fourth divisions’ ?

[davulsukur]

26 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

 

A second division club with no history and no sizeable fan base.

Meanwhile the Venkys continue to strangle the life out of our club with their cold, dead hands. 

 

The owners & senior management at Rovers (Waggott included) have done a very good job of pushing the narrative that there are no alternatives out there for a change in ownership at Rovers, that we should be grateful even, of their continued ownership. They've got a good amount of the fanbase believing that we are maxed out in every respect, we push the boundaries as far as we can within the limits of the regulations. 

I've even had comments from Dingles on X along the lines of "WiThOuT VeNkY's YoU's CoLlApSe" and that "No one would ever buy us"

The reality, as demonstrated across all the leagues in English football is that there are willing parties out there, ready to take over football clubs and do so with real, genuine ambition with ideas and plans in place to drive that ambition.

The only reason it won't happen here is because of whatever bizarre reason Venky's have for refusing to let us go. We're going to be left behind sooner rather than later, and the longer they keep us in their death grip, the further we will fall.

[Exiled_Rover]

35 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Plymouth Argyle was founded in 1886 - how much history do you want?

Average gates at Home Park in 2024-25 were about 16,500 compared to about 16,150 at Ewood

It's fun that you dislike me so much that you'd argue black is blue. 🤣

How about some trophies, Jim?

How about their attendances don't match ours at our absolute lowest ebb?

[miqaayil]

20 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

The owners & senior management at Rovers (Waggott included) have done a very good job of pushing the narrative that there are no alternatives out there for a change in ownership at Rovers, that we should be grateful even, of their continued ownership. They've got a good amount of the fanbase believing that we are maxed out in every respect, we push the boundaries as far as we can within the limits of the regulations. 

I've even had comments from Dingles on X along the lines of "WiThOuT VeNkY's YoU's CoLlApSe" and that "No one would ever buy us"

The reality, as demonstrated across all the leagues in English football is that there are willing parties out there, ready to take over football clubs and do so with real, genuine ambition with ideas and plans in place to drive that ambition.

The only reason it won't happen here is because of whatever bizarre reason Venky's have for refusing to let us go. We're going to be left behind sooner rather than later, and the longer they keep us in their death grip, the further we will fall.

I always believed the venky's are holding simply because without rovers they have to settle the collateral so they kicking the can... but now i believe Suhail is the lynchpin with V's name on the signboard with Kentaro still in driving seat.... only a full financial forensic investigation can uncover this and i pray a reason for it happens .... 

Al capone was caught because of tax evasion ....

[Forever Blue]

2 hours ago, lraC said:

I didn’t say YOU did, so wonder why YOU responded? 

Probs cos YOU quoted me. Surprised that needed explaining to YOU

[Forever Blue]

33 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

It's fun that you dislike me so much that you'd argue black is blue. 🤣

How about some trophies, Jim?

How about their attendances don't match ours at our absolute lowest ebb?

There’s a lot of potential in Plymouth. It’s a city of close to 280k with a much bigger catchment area. 

[Tomphil2]

Good potential at Plymouth to build the crowds if they got them going upwards year on year.

That's why these investors go for the likes of them plus there is a new story to create with little expectation of past glories because there are non, it's all new and shiny and not poisoned by anything.

Besides that they could also play the hedge fund Russian roulette model they do at Burnley were you fill a small ground, keep going up and down and running of big debt then trading players and paying dividends out of the parachute/tv income.

[rigger]

14 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

There’s a lot of potential in Plymouth. It’s a city of close to 280k with a much bigger catchment area. 

Most of Devon, and imagine if the Cornish folk started to go.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

1 hour ago, davulsukur said:

I've even had comments from Dingles on X along the lines of "WiThOuT VeNkY's YoU's CoLlApSe" and that "No one would ever buy us"

 

Lets put it this way,some poor b'stard bought that destitute absolute crock of shit Football Club so their is hope for us all!

Edited 22 hours ago by SIMON GARNERS 194

[simongarnerisgod]

46 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

There’s a lot of potential in Plymouth. It’s a city of close to 280k with a much bigger catchment area. 

there are  reasons that plymouth have never been in the top division,it`s in the middle of nowhere,hence you will always struggle to attract top players and rugby is massive in the west country/cornwall,if was`nt for the pathetic rfu stangling all life out of the game,cornwall would have a side in the premier league

[JHRover]

3 hours ago, davulsukur said:

The owners & senior management at Rovers (Waggott included) have done a very good job of pushing the narrative that there are no alternatives out there for a change in ownership at Rovers, that we should be grateful even, of their continued ownership. They've got a good amount of the fanbase believing that we are maxed out in every respect, we push the boundaries as far as we can within the limits of the regulations. 

I've even had comments from Dingles on X along the lines of "WiThOuT VeNkY's YoU's CoLlApSe" and that "No one would ever buy us"

The reality, as demonstrated across all the leagues in English football is that there are willing parties out there, ready to take over football clubs and do so with real, genuine ambition with ideas and plans in place to drive that ambition.

The only reason it won't happen here is because of whatever bizarre reason Venky's have for refusing to let us go. We're going to be left behind sooner rather than later, and the longer they keep us in their death grip, the further we will fall.

Perfectly summarised.

Still people don't recognise that we are in the midst of an existential crisis under these owners, there is no future, no growth, no plan, no ambition, at the very best we tread water under a zombie administration making a competent job of whatever resources they chuck our way until either the staff/players get fed up and go elsewhere or our wonderful owners smash it all to bits again because they feel like it.

Every day, week, month, year this regime continues its poisonous grip on BRFC is simply more and more time and distance we fall behind just about any other club with competent fit ad proper ownership. Ultimately there will be nothing left, only by then it will be too late to recover from.