Venky’s (& Suhail) Out Protest Ideas

[islander200]

15 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Crikey, what a bizarre statement. Don't think I have ever seen anything rovers related so significant issued in so few words. 

I have no idea if Waggott going is a good thing or not...depends who comes in next. While I am not a fan he is not the biggest clown in the clown car. We could easily end up with something much worse. All comes down to if there is any real quality planning behind the scenes. I wouldn't bet my house on it at all.. 

Am I right to think part of the problem could be that Suhail brought in Broughton and by extension JDT as part of a total club operating model refresh (young players, increasing value yada yada), then Waggott made Suhail look like a mug booting out Broughton and replacing with his own man Eustace who wanted experienced players. Now Suhail is reasserting his authority? 

Suhail would have wanted Broughton out. 

Broughton recommended that part of the Wharton fee was used improve the squad. 

Suhail nor the owners wanted that.

[BlackburnEnd75]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

But what did Waggott do that long term pushed the Club in the right direction? **

Anything?

We got lucky to an extent with Adam Wharton which kept the lights on for a bit but even he was sold at the wrong point for a pitiful fee.

** I'm guessing some people will say appoint two excellent Head Coaches in JDT and Eustace but as he then alienated them to the point where they both walked out, I'm not sure how valid that point is.

Broughton hired JDT

He gets credit for Eustace. After that im struggling other than perhaps suhail has made that job virtually impossible.

[DE.]

Don't think it really makes much difference as long as Venky's & Suhail are around, but lol @ that statement, or lack thereof. Might as well have just read "GTFO".

Waggott was the only one of the terrible trio who had any idea of how to speak to the media or fans without sounding exceptionally arrogant and/or totally clueless. Most of what he said was waffle, but it was - for the most part - the kind of waffle that experienced execs specialise in. Stuff that has no value, but on the surface sounds reasonable. Words that over tea and biscuits lead some people to declare that bright things are on the horizon for Rovers. It's a basic requirement if you need to do PR or stakeholder meetings somewhat regularly, but neither Suhail nor Rudy are any good at it judging from the recent interviews.  

Idk who comes in to replace him, nor do I care. All that matters is Venky's being removed. 

Edited 5 hours ago by DE.

[paullarrygher]

15 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Devil's advocate mode:

Even if that DID happen, how could it be any worse than Waggott?

That Pasha's 'model' is put on steroids and enabled by Gestede.

"We can't spend £10m on a player" becomes "we can't spend £500k on a player". Being in the Championship is not 'sustainable' so they're content to drop down the leagues and first team is purely a pathway for what's left of the academy to get some league minutes. Cut spending more, sell anything that looks like an asset, leave infrastructure to rot, minimise losses and keep their gravy train going.

Gestede thinks he can do what Broughton and JDT couldn't and somehow perform miracles on no budget so he's happy to tow the Pasha line. 

 

[bluebruce]

Got to say, I'm happy Waggott is going. But it has to be tempered by the concern over who will be in his seat next.

You have to hope for a competent, non-corrupt CEO, but history has shown that actually trying to get anything done as CEO here just gets you fired, or you get alienated and leave. I guess we can hope for non-corrupt and competent, but knowing when they'll have to keep their mouth shut and what battles to pick or else we will just get someone worse. As long as they don't treat fans like cash cows that would be an upgrade, but the real problems aren't going away until Venkys do.

[Crimpshrine]

This is cost cutting.

Although Pasha and Waggott didn't get on particularly, SW acted as a shield for Pasha and he performed that role very well - to the benefit of Pasha and the owners, not the club.

In terms of decision making, SW has been sidelined for the last 12 months with Pasha, Sufi and Gestede being the ruling gang. 

So possible scenario ( with added 'conspiracy theory' comments )

Pasha ( former Kentaro/SEM)  COO

Gestede ( recently played for S Kean in Australia )  CEO 

Adam Owen ( recently worked with S Kean at Hibs )  Head of Football operations

Edited 5 hours ago by Crimpshrine

[bluebruce]

5 minutes ago, DE. said:

 

Waggott was the only one of the terrible trio who had any idea of how to speak to the media or fans without sounding exceptionally arrogant and/or totally clueless. 

Think you're being too kind there. I don't think he did know how to do that, especially the arrogance part.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Think you're being too kind there. I don't think he did know how to do that, especially the arrogance part.

As soon as he ever opened his mouth I just assumed he was lying and that the opposite was true.

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1 hour ago, oldjamfan1 said:

He wasn't perfect by any means and was a bit of a player - but the only half decent football decisions that have been made in recent times were through him. And whether you believed his spiel or not he at least spoke to fans. He delivered on some things but not others. As I say, I'm glad he's going but only in the way that some folk were glad that Big Sam got canned, if you get my drift. What happens next could put us in an even worse position.

don't you mean : He at least lied to fans. 

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, paullarrygher said:

That Pasha's 'model' is put on steroids and enabled by Gestede.

"We can't spend £10m on a player" becomes "we can't spend £500k on a player". Being in the Championship is not 'sustainable' so they're content to drop down the leagues and first team is purely a pathway for what's left of the academy to get some league minutes. Cut spending more, sell anything that looks like an asset, leave infrastructure to rot, minimise losses and keep their gravy train going.

Gestede thinks he can do what Broughton and JDT couldn't and somehow perform miracles on no budget so he's happy to tow the Pasha line. 

 

All that has happened under Waggott and would no doubt have continued under him though. 

I'd rather hope someone came in who wanted to try and grow the Club as opposed to shrink it and reduce it in size.

[MarkBRFC]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I'd rather hope someone came in who wanted to try and grow the Club as opposed to shrink it and reduce it in size.

That's just not going to happen.

[roverblue]

Glad he's gone, did nothing but lie and weasel his way around the club for years whilst dumbing down all level of expectations at the club.

He has overseen a period of systematic cost cutting/asset stripping of all things Blackburn Rovers.

Pasha next please.

[roversfan99]

Fantastic in isolation to get rid of such a waste of space.

But I cant see much changing. Venkys are and have always been the problem, as others have said its just shuffling the deckchairs on the titanic while they stay.

It will also inevitably lead to incompetent kiss arses like Gestede and Sufi moving up the chain.

[47er]

Well known he wanted another year so he's actually got the boot. Be nice to think for someone better but we won't get fooled again.

[DE.]

12 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Think you're being too kind there. I don't think he did know how to do that, especially the arrogance part.

On here you'll find many who see through the veil, but generally? I think he's been able to convince the majority at Ewood that all is in hand. Let's face it, for most little more is needed than a handful of victories on the pitch for all to be forgiven, get behind the lads ffs, etc. I did like that JDT needled him about his stupid leased coach comment repeatedly, but I also saw a lot of our fans right after that interview posting about how much sense Waggott was making (on Twitter/X, granted, but that's sadly probably more representative of the average fan than the people who post on here and other more detailed football forums). 

I don't think Suhail and Rudy can even present a facade of respectability, though. Certain fans with the blinkers on will parrot the upper management's nonsense regardless of how vapid it is, but I think even a lot of casuals found Rudy's interviews in particular to be absolute nonsense. 

Edited 5 hours ago by DE.

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51 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

That statement is as long as his list of achievements, tbh.

And far longer than what he deserved

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

Trying to join the dots up and the timing of this and the media furore over the womens debacle I wonder if he has been offered up as the sacrificial lamb. He is an easy hit given his age. A nice fat NDA to enhance his retirement pot too

The abrupt statement indicates this has happened really quickly.

That was my thought too.

56 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Waggott's list of "achievements":

Introduced the "match day tax"

Affordable seating scrapped for the majority of his tenure.

Tried to charge people for using Blues on matchday. Not sure if that was shelved?

Increased season ticket prices during the pandemic by up to 25% for a season where no-one could attend reducing the ST base at that point to 2.5k.

Unsuccessfully trying to flog off part of Brockhall no doubt costing the Club a load of money in the process.

Two high profile January transfer deadline day collapses on his watch.

In the most recent January window spent £20 k p.w. on a guy who hadn't kicked a ball for 10 months and who unsurprisingly barely kicked a ball for us.

Two successive head coaches alienated to the extent where they walked out.

The recent despicable decision regarding the women's team.

I'm sure there's more.

A lot of those cant possibly just be blamed on him alone.

21 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

But what did Waggott do that long term pushed the Club in the right direction? **

Anything?

We got lucky to an extent with Adam Wharton which kept the lights on for a bit but even he was sold at the wrong point for a pitiful fee.

** I'm guessing some people will say appoint two excellent Head Coaches in JDT and Eustace but as he then alienated them to the point where they both walked out, I'm not sure how valid that point is.

Was he the reason they were forced out?

[islander200]

We had Derek Shaw before Waggott 

If it's not Gestede it will just be another Shaw/Waggott.

This move to get rid of Waggott is just an attempt to shift the blame onto him and away from Pascha and the owners 

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Interested to hear @glen9mullan view on this?

No doubt Glen will speak for himself specifically on this but yesterday his Twitter feed had a statement by the Coalition which included the following statement :

" The very notion that anyone except the Rao family and Suhail Shaikh are to blame for their calamitous stewardship of the club should be rejected out of hand by the entire fanbase."

[Dreams of 1995]

Good riddance

As always with Venkys, what is around the corner is over

The end of Pax Mowbray brought with it tumultuous times.

[Bronzed A Donis]

1 less chancer here, 1 less human shield for that gobshite Suhail. Good news.

 

[roversfan99]

Great statement from the coalition. Demanding reasons why he has suddenly gone, demanding experience knowing Gestede will slip into that role, seeing through the timing after the womens announcement and again calling out Suhail. Thinking 2 steps ahead.

[Penwortham Blue]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Great statement from the coalition. Demanding reasons why he has suddenly gone, demanding experience knowing Gestede will slip into that role, seeing through the timing after the womens announcement and again calling out Suhail. Thinking 2 steps ahead.

Please can someone post the coalition statement.

[bluebruce]

13 minutes ago, Bronzed A Donis said:

1 less chancer here, 1 less human shield for that gobshite Suhail. Good news.

 

Until they hire another chancer of a human shield to replace him.

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