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[G Somerset Rover]

1 hour ago, philipl said:

The Venky's 200m++ losses haven't vanished into thin air.

The money has gone from India into football pockets. 

If you simply look at the money trail you have billionaires in India who won't particularly notice those losses and an agent network around Blackburn firmly attached to the teat.

Presumably that network has some leverage which means Venky's can't or won't walk away. The EFL has far more problematic clubs than Rovers to worry about so Rovers can be a handy conduit for whatever.

The original plan was to effect agent ownership of PL players but that got scotched so agent interest in having Rovers in the elite was no longer so great.  

Now it is all hunky dory in the Championship for the network so long as we don't accidentally get promoted to the Premier League where the public spotlight is very different...

Just a guess. 

 

Glen is convinced king rat Suhail is the last of the lot from ‘that’ agency. He must go.

[JHRover]

36 minutes ago, lraC said:

Eyes and ears of the owners is about the size of it, as already mentioned today and previously.

Agreed, but then we have to ask ourselves why the owners need two pairs of eyes and ears despite already having 'their' trusted man Suhail running the show. Do they not trust him? Or is he not really 'their man'?

It is all very odd. I was surprised when rumours emerged that he had left the club given his immovability over the last 10 years or so surviving multiple regime changes and managers, and then once again as it always is at Rovers there is more to the story than first appears. 

It is certainly not normal for a 'lowly' first team coach to have such a muddled and drawn out departure, even less normal for the top ranking officer at the club to think he is still here when he clearly isn't, and then even less normal for the manager to go telling people he's gone despite no statement from the club and him still being named on the website as first team coach.

Something smells with this one alright and it is more than just incompetence.

[G Somerset Rover]

20 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Reckon you've pretty much nailed it here 

And if true I don't see how it ever ends 

It’s this or simply ridiculous pride. Pretty confident it’s nothing else.

[philipl]

1 hour ago, lraC said:

I would be extremely surprised, if and when it ever comes out, that this isn't pretty close to the truth.

JDT Sacked reinstated and sacked again

Lowe sacked and reinstated 3 times, if he reappears again in the next few days. even JC himself only rose once. 

O'Brien signed and announced as such, but then something went wrong

MaGuire signed and in the kit even then, something went wrong

Warnock as good as appointed as manager, then Coyle jetted in at the last minute

Someone somewhere is over turning decisions made that keep on being reversed, which smells of more than one ownership in my opinion. 

 

And every one of those events will have earned agents a nice fee. So it might not have been multiple ownership but more a case of absent careless owners and agent Pasha haymaking.

 

If Lowe has the owners' ear then it would appear Pasha has tried to further increase his grip on the club by removing a mole as he would see him and has at least half-failed.

This would suggest Pasha is not entirely trusted to run Rovers by whichever member(s) of the quartet still takes any notice of their Blackburn subsidiary. 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by philipl

[lraC]

27 minutes ago, G Somerset Rover said:

It’s this or simply ridiculous pride. Pretty confident it’s nothing else.

I really can’t accept it’s a pride thing. Going to the trouble of a court hearing, having all the negative press and alerting the authorities, must be a worry. If it was a pride thing, surely they would turn up at Ewood too and show the people how proud they are of the ownership, but nothing in all these years. 

[philipl]

4 minutes ago, lraC said:

I really can’t accept it’s a pride thing. Going to the trouble of a court hearing, having all the negative press and alerting the authorities, must be a worry. If it was a pride thing, surely they would turn up at Ewood too and show the people how proud they are of the ownership, but nothing in all these years. 

There is a potential criminal case about tax fraud lurking if they don't fight in the Civil Courts. 

What they have apparently been tripped up on- mischaracterising a domestic property purchase and a lavish party to get more favourable tax treatment is incredibly petty for such a wealthy family.

I am certain their tax advisors in India would never have sanctioned this.

[SuperBrfc]

2 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

Lowe must be very well in with someone who has the ears of Pune.

Looked like Eustace tried to get rid but he was just sent on other duties then reappeared.

Very odd stuff for a low level coach maybe Suhail himself is trying to get him reinstated after he was pushed out by VI and Gestede ?

I think that might be what it is.

The rumour was that somebody removed him way back, maybe 10 years ago, to trim down the coaching staff. Only for him to be reinstated by Pasha, with both of them going to Pune to get it sealed. He has since been promoted and has become the eyes and ears of Pasha around the place and also appears to be part of a coaching package that new managers have to accept.

He has connections to the old agency crew, but I think that might just be coincidence. The logical explanation has to be that Pasha and Co rate him as a coach and want to keep him around for as long as possible. We know how loyal they are to those they like. Take Kean for example.

The issue here for me is, if he has been sacked/released, as mentioned a few weeks back in the LT...who has made this decision and why does Pasha not know about it? He's the head honcho here and a trusted Venky employee. Why is the news a surprise to him? (as suggested in the latest minutes). If he wasn't pretending to be surprised before the forum and he genuinely didn't know, it could add weight to the theory that he is just a face here and that the real string pullers are elsewhere.

Another poster shared an opinion that there might be two opposing camps in the building and that this is why there are often tales of 'power struggles'. I'm of the same view. In my opinion, it feels as if we have a 'normal' camp and a 'numbers' camp. The 'normal' camp is the one the public sees and hears from. This camp consists of 'normal' footballing people operating under 'normal' football principles i.e ambition, trying to win, strategy, having plans in place, a desire for promotion etc. I think the likes of JDT, Broughton, Eustace, Ismael and Rudy are in this camp. The people in this camp come here thinking we are a 'normal club' and expect to find normality, but they are always left disappointed in the end.

Then there's the 'numbers' camp which remains largely in the background and are seemingly headed by one individual. The same individual with the old agency links that never seem to go away, hence why, even if it's just theory and there's nothing to it, the coincidences appear to keep on leading back towards this direction.

It's been a theme for many years...that things run 'normally' for a short while, everybody's aligned, fans, manager and players, optimism is in the air, then boom. Camp two strikes, whether that be because the 'numbers' can't be met for new signings, can't increase wages, can't push for promotion due to funds, can't meet what the manager is demanding or expecting etc and we always end up going back to square one. Cue the infighting between the "positive v negative" divide in the fanbase. A new 'project', a new 'journey'. More ins and outs. Who wins here? It has been like this for a very long time. So who exactly is winning out of the constant churns and resets?

[lraC]

10 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

I think that might be what it is.

The rumour was that somebody removed him way back, maybe 10 years ago, to trim down the coaching staff. Only for him to be reinstated by Pasha, with both of them going to Pune to get it sealed. He has since been promoted and has become the eyes and ears of Pasha around the place and also appears to be part of a coaching package that new managers have to accept.

He has connections to the old agency crew, but I think that might just be coincidence. The logical explanation has to be that Pasha and Co rate him as a coach and want to keep him around for as long as possible. We know how loyal they are to those they like. Take Kean for example.

The issue here for me is, if he has been sacked/released, as mentioned a few weeks back in the LT...who has made this decision and why does Pasha not know about it? He's the head honcho here and a trusted Venky employee. Why is the news a surprise to him? (as suggested in the latest minutes). If he wasn't pretending to be surprised before the forum and he genuinely didn't know, it could add weight to the theory that he is just a face here and that the real string pullers are elsewhere.

Another poster shared an opinion that there might be two opposing camps in the building and that this is why there are often tales of 'power struggles'. I'm of the same view. In my opinion, it feels as if we have a 'normal' camp and a 'numbers' camp. The 'normal' camp is the one the public sees and hears from. This camp consists of 'normal' footballing people operating under 'normal' football principles i.e ambition, trying to win, strategy, having plans in place, a desire for promotion etc. I think the likes of JDT, Broughton, Eustace, Ismael and Rudy are in this camp. The people in this camp come here thinking we are a 'normal club' and expect to find normality, but they are always left disappointed in the end.

Then there's the 'numbers' camp which remains largely in the background and are seemingly headed by one individual. The same individual with the old agency links that never seem to go away, hence why, even if it's just theory and there's nothing to it, the coincidences appear to keep on leading back towards this direction.

It's been a theme for many years...that things run 'normally' for a short while, everybody's aligned, fans, manager and players, optimism is in the air, then boom. Camp two strikes, whether that be because the 'numbers' can't be met for new signings, can't increase wages, can't push for promotion due to funds, can't meet what the manager is demanding or expecting etc and we always end up going back to square one. Cue the infighting between the "positive v negative" divide in the fanbase. A new 'project', a new 'journey'. More ins and outs. Who wins here? It has been like this for a very long time. So who exactly is winning out of the constant churns and resets?

Venky’s and Pasha want him, but the agents don’t. It makes perfect sense.

I will be surprised if he doesn’t reappear, but how will that then go down with Ismael, after his comments that are in the public domain?

[lraC]

27 minutes ago, philipl said:

There is a potential criminal case about tax fraud lurking if they don't fight in the Civil Courts. 

What they have apparently been tripped up on- mischaracterising a domestic property purchase and a lavish party to get more favourable tax treatment is incredibly petty for such a wealthy family.

I am certain their tax advisors in India would never have sanctioned this.

I think it’s been pretty much played down, the implications of the court case. That is the one regarding the misuse of funds, not the owners going to court to get the need for a bond removed.

I have to admit, that I have been in the dark about the implications on this and wonder if you are able to expand on it, in particular if they are likely to face fraud charges.

[Roverthechimp]

How was the question phrased to Pasha? In answer to a direct ”has Lowe left the club” then Pasha would appear to have been being truthful without explicitly denying that something is going on.

What sounds like a clueless answer might actually have been smart from him…

Makes him appear dense but less controversial/revealing than ”he’s been kicked out by one faction but has appealed to the other mob to keep him on” 🤔

[Tomphil2]

58 minutes ago, lraC said:

I really can’t accept it’s a pride thing. Going to the trouble of a court hearing, having all the negative press and alerting the authorities, must be a worry. If it was a pride thing, surely they would turn up at Ewood too and show the people how proud they are of the ownership, but nothing in all these years. 

If it's any 'thing' it's an arrogance thing.

We'll do what we want, we are rich and powerful and can afford to chuck millions away keeping a famous old English football club afloat, just because we can. We own those Brit mofo's and they will dance to our tune as long as we like'

That sort of thing.

[lraC]

25 minutes ago, Roverthechimp said:

How was the question phrased to Pasha? In answer to a direct ”has Lowe left the club” then Pasha would appear to have been being truthful without explicitly denying that something is going on.

What sounds like a clueless answer might actually have been smart from him…

Makes him appear dense but less controversial/revealing than ”he’s been kicked out by one faction but has appealed to the other mob to keep him on” 🤔

 

[DeeCee]

Wasn't the meeting before DL had been "officially" released?

Either way he should have known.

[Bronzed A Donis]

I don't think Lowe is part of some conspiracy. 

I suspect he just has a decent employment lawyer and the incompetent people at the club have no idea or will to prepare a severance package.

Edited 21 minutes ago by Bronzed A Donis
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