Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[Tomphil2]

11 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Yes but Gestede and Owen dictate to the recruitment team what markets to be looking in.

It won't have been the scouts who came up with the idea of targetting cheap players from relegated teams from leagues below championship standard.

Mafoumbi or however you spell it came in due to a contact of Gestedes.

I'm not a big fan of Waggott but if it had been his choice then I don't believe Ismael would have been appointed.I also believe if Waggott had still been here and had some power we wouldn't have just been signing cheap gambles, more domestic experience would have been brought in.

Not a Waggot fan either but i'd be more comfortable with him running it on his own rather than Suhail and Gestede.

We wouldn't go anywhere but i think we'd have a better chance of staying in this league with peanuts for a budget.

These lot have put the pursuit of buy cheap, play, then sell as number 1  priority when instead it should always be look at top ten bare minimum standard.

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Not a Waggot fan either but i'd be more comfortable with him running it on his own rather than Suhail and Gestede.

We wouldn't go anywhere but i think we'd have a better chance of staying in this league with peanuts for a budget.

These lot have put the pursuit of buy cheap, play, then sell as number 1  priority when instead it should always be look at top ten bare minimum standard.

It would have been interesting to see Waggott would have appoint if it was sole responsible to do so

[DE.]

29 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Mowbray was the perfect manager for Venkys. Not for Blackburn Rovers, but for Venkys. He was willing to work with their bonkers ways, traipse off to India and tell them how wonderful they are, handle more than a modern day manager should be handling, all the media, contracts, scouting, fans, even going as far as to appoint his assistant as director of football and Waggott as CEO to provide additional support.

In return they got seemingly everything they've ever wanted in a manager - someone they trust who they could leave to get on with it, keep the fans quiet/content, perhaps most importantly plod for a few years whilst developing serious assets that would make a hefty profit in the transfer window and allow them to recoup cash from sales.

I don't think we would ever have got promoted under him as he just isn't the sort of manager to go out and deliver that. But for a disgraceful operation like these owners want to preside over he was an ideal custodian for them to just sit there and do nothing and leave it to him.

For reasons unknown they decided to cut him off. Whether that was them losing faith or middle men getting a hand on the controls again after a few years out of the limelight we will never know. My own suspicion is that dogsbody Pasha was annoyed at Mowbray usurping him in the chain of command as he did after relegation to League One and therefore set about ensuring Mowbray's access to the top table in Pune was severed. Ever since then it has been a gradual return back to the sort of skeletal joke of a structure that was in place from 2015-2017 when they removed good people from office (Bowyer, Myers, Biggar) and either didn't replace them or replaced them with dross.

The parallels between then and now are startling. Whilst Ismael is undoubtedly a better manager than Coyle ever was he is working with a smaller and probably inferior squad. Either way the end / outcome of this is going to be the same. 

Last time around it took relegation being sealed for the idiots in India to summon people out there for a meeting, so I suspect the same this time around - they'll only even become aware of a change in league status after it happens. Unfortunately they've got even less interest and willingness to invest this time around so I'm not confident that anything will happen other than another radical round of cost cuts. Rudy will probably be the one sacrificed at that point.

Yep, Waggott/Mowbray was the Venky dream ticket - and the latter would certainly have stayed if offered an extension. One can only wonder if Suhail has been asked by his bosses at any point "why did we let that Mowbray fella leave again?" 

I'd guess not, as that would also assume the owners have any remote personal interest in the club, and there seems to be zero evidence that this is the case. 

[Tomphil2]

25 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

It would have been interesting to see Waggott would have appoint if it was sole responsible to do so

Somebody British with some championship fire fighting experience would be my guess.

Of course it would still need to be someone out of work and cheap and agreeable to the restrictions in budget.

Edited 18 hours ago by Tomphil2

[roversfan99]

53 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Your posts suggested that players signed here is all down to Gestede when actually there is alot more to it than that. 

Wrong. Clubs have structures in play and a way they want to play or policies about signings, so you appoint a head coach that's fit into that structure, the squad he have to play. Look at the Forest situation this season as Prime example 

I think from what Ismael, JDT and Mowbray plus GB that you are picking a shortlist of 3 to 5 players that the scouting staff that fit the type of player you what from that position

Ismael has spoken alot about profiles of players from each position he wanted a signing him and what qualities he wanted. Like the Morishita or Baradji signing 

I think a Director of Football/head coach structure is the right way to run the footballing side and build the club on that structure. 

on Gestede, Nothing against him but I think we need an experience DoF who has vast range of experience and knowledge of the European/World market in we are going to follow this path. 

That's fine 

Can you tell me why it is beneficial to have anyone beside the manager deciding on the tactics, the style and the players to use? 

Forest this season is a good example of the point I am making. Theyve signed loads of players that none of the managers have wanted to use, which suggests that theyve been selected above the manager. They are doing significantly worse and keep changing manager and style. 

A director of football can be useful but they have far too much power now. They shouldnt be telling the manager which style to play, how many youngsters to use, or even at times decide on signings. Im yet to see you explain why it makes sense, you just say that I dont understand if I dont agree.

All of the drawbacks and risk of such a structure are obvious here. And look at us.

Also, feel free to have something against Gestede. Not only incompetent and overseeing our squad being saddled with shit, but also comes across as smarmy and arroganr.

Edited 17 hours ago by roversfan99

[London blue]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Wrong. Clubs have structures in play and a way they want to play or policies about signings, so you appoint a head coach that's fit into that structure, the squad he have to play. Look at the Forest situation this season as Prime example

You have claimed he is wrong then rehashed EXACTLY his point to disprove him.

[chaddyrovers]

13 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Can you tell me why it is beneficial to have anyone beside the manager deciding on the tactics, the style and the players to use? 

Forest this season is a good example of the point I am making. Theyve signed loads of players that none of the managers have wanted to use, which suggests that theyve been selected above the manager. They are doing significantly worse and keep changing manager and style. 

A director of football can be useful but they have far too much power now. They shouldnt be telling the manager which style to play, how many youngsters to use, or even at times decide on signings. Im yet to see you explain why it makes sense, you just say that I dont understand if I dont agree.

All of the drawbacks and risk of such a structure are obvious here. And look at us.

Also, feel free to have something against Gestede. Not only incompetent and overseeing our squad being saddled with shit, but also comes across as smarmy and arroganr.

Yet again, we are back to this discussion that we had before..

A club management will decide what type of head coach who fits into club strategy/philosophy then go interview and appoint someone. So for example, you wouldn't appoint a head coach who didnt develop young players and bring them through if that's one of key part of your transfer strategy. 

The Forest situation was my point. You had a counter attacking head coach then you got rid and appoint very attacking head coach then with a number of games, you change again for a more pragmatic head coach. That's the sort of head coach that's suit the squad. Also your transfers, some new players have been like Hutchinson, Ndoye, Jesus, etc but they also sign players with a eye on next season and beyond. 

[Mattyblue]

I assume you know we don’t actually have any ‘philosophy’ as Eustace was a completely different type of manager from style to type of players he wanted to young players to who came before (and after).

Edited 4 hours ago by Mattyblue

[roversfan99]

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yet again, we are back to this discussion that we had before..

A club management will decide what type of head coach who fits into club strategy/philosophy then go interview and appoint someone. So for example, you wouldn't appoint a head coach who didnt develop young players and bring them through if that's one of key part of your transfer strategy. 

The Forest situation was my point. You had a counter attacking head coach then you got rid and appoint very attacking head coach then with a number of games, you change again for a more pragmatic head coach. That's the sort of head coach that's suit the squad. Also your transfers, some new players have been like Hutchinson, Ndoye, Jesus, etc but they also sign players with a eye on next season and beyond. 

Youve not answered my question. Youve just repeated (again) how the structure works, thats not telling me why it is beneficial to run like this.

[Elrovers]

Ismael saying we’ve already identified a list of the players for January. Wants them before we play hull in the fa cup. 

[Waggy76]

5 minutes ago, Elrovers said:

Ismael saying we’ve already identified a list of the players for January. Wants them before we play hull in the fa cup. 

We know how, that will pan out !

[RTM08]

10 minutes ago, Elrovers said:

Ismael saying we’ve already identified a list of the players for January. Wants them before we play hull in the fa cup. 

Even if we did it's the same recruitment team that's added complete guff in the last two windows - it's highly unlikely that will change in this one.

[cesus]

13 minutes ago, Elrovers said:

Ismael saying we’ve already identified a list of the players for January. Wants them before we play hull in the fa cup. 

Now Val, do you promise to resign like the other managers did, if they don't follow through on the signings again?

[lraC]

21 minutes ago, Elrovers said:

Ismael saying we’ve already identified a list of the players for January. Wants them before we play hull in the fa cup. 

Where is he saying that?

Unlikely to happen as we know, so will it now be his turn to say enough is enough and resign?

[sharpysharps86]

23 minutes ago, Elrovers said:

Ismael saying we’ve already identified a list of the players for January. Wants them before we play hull in the fa cup. 

Classic.

He also wanted 90% of summer business done before pre-season.

Edited 3 hours ago by sharpysharps86

[roverblue]

Feels like he is finally getting pissed off with Pasha and Rudy and rightly so.

[MarkBRFC]

1 hour ago, lraC said:

Where is he saying that?

Unlikely to happen as we know, so will it now be his turn to say enough is enough and resign?

Interview with BBC Radio Lancs at the weekend.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/25696130.ismael-sends-transfer-message-blackburn-rovers-board/

Edited 2 hours ago by MarkBRFC

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

After the team selection last Saturday he’s skating on very thin ice as far as I’m concerned.

[The Gull]

Most likely, they will will sack him early January before any business is done, cash in on a any saleable asset, then appoint another stooge at end of January that has no time to identify or buy anyone.  The club will add some cheap squad fillers that neither Ismael or any new manager would want, the new manager will wax lyrical about the academy adding strentgh to the squad, and the hamster wheel keeps going round.

 

Edited 5 minutes ago by The Gull

[TugaysMarlboro]

Val's view at the start of September was the squad we have now is better than the one we had last season.

Fast forward 3 months and we need cover for injuries (which everyone bar the club knew we'd need) and better quality in most areas (again something most of us saw).

Cannot warm to him at all. You can be arrogant if you perform, but it's been an abject failure so far Val.

 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Its rinse and repeat folks..and then we start all over again!

Utterly shit Manager though.

[K-Hod]

If he keeps picking De Neve, we'll continue to struggle on that side, as De Neve is so poor at football.

I almost feel bad for De Neve himself tbh, it's not his fault he keeps being selected.

[Bronzed A Donis]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yet again, we are back to this discussion that we had before..

A club management will decide what type of head coach who fits into club strategy/philosophy then go interview and appoint someone. So for example, you wouldn't appoint a head coach who didnt develop young players and bring them through if that's one of key part of your transfer strategy. 

The Forest situation was my point. You had a counter attacking head coach then you got rid and appoint very attacking head coach then with a number of games, you change again for a more pragmatic head coach. That's the sort of head coach that's suit the squad. Also your transfers, some new players have been like Hutchinson, Ndoye, Jesus, etc but they also sign players with a eye on next season and beyond. 

At a functioning club that care about results this is a modern day irritant but fine, accept it.

What is our strategy ? Who at the club is qualified to set that direction?

From what I can tell its sell, buy cheap and hope and lose football matches.

Id love our philosophy to be, to win games by any means with best XI available to us with a flexible tactical approach, depending on opposition, but perhaps im just old fashioned.

Edited 2 hours ago by Bronzed A Donis
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[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Fans Comment from the LET:

"I think most of us understand we are in transition and that the January window will be a part of that process. We are in for a scrap, but I am confident we will stay up, be in better shape next season and that Val is the correct man for the job. Keep the faith true blues. Rome wasn’t built in a day"

 

😵

[Mattyblue]

‘Fan’ doing a lot of heavy lifting there.