Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[Tomphil2]

So a head coach can earn more via bonuses etc from playing youth and certain players signed to develop regardless of where the team finishes in the league ?

Well that's not a conflict of interest at all is it !

Edited yesterday at 12:07 by Tomphil2

[roverblue]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I wouldn’t exactly describe Baradji as “ defensive minded. “ The problem is we’ve had to wait whilst now to get him on the park. I’d say playing Travis and Tronstad in centre midfield was more defensive minded.  Who are these striker/winger/attackers we need to throw on ? There’s only Joseph as far as I can see that might be worth a go but you need to be careful blooding kids in a struggling team. We ruined James Beattie as far as Rovers were concerned doing that.

Baradji looks like what we have been crying out for in midfield, someone who doesn't get a nose bleed when he crosses the halfway line.

It's all about how Ismael sets them up though, a more ambitious manager would get more players forward both in a formation and in phases of attacking play. When we break recently we basically have Yuki on this own trying to dribble around 3-4 opposition defenders.

Using the youth lads isn't ideal but I would rather have attack minded players on the pitch than a team of defenders. I hadn't heard of any of the academy lads that now make up most our back line but they all seem to be doing ok. Why not try it with the attackers? Especially when 0-2 down at home, instead he just sits there hoping for the best.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

2 hours ago, Miller11 said:

Ismael won’t care about that. He is targeted and earns bonuses based on giving academy players debuts and minutes.

I’m actually surprised he seemed a bit reluctant in the earlier part of the season. Perhaps he’s now twigged that expectations and standards are virtually zero, and that the accumulation of points isn’t that important to his bosses. I expect we will see at least half a dozen more academy players debut by the end of the season.

How do you know the details of his employment contract and remuneration ?

[Rogerb]

Rudy and his 2000 minutes target?

[Miller11]

4 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

How do you know the details of his employment contract and remuneration ?

It’s been mentioned several times publicly. Waggott did so soon after Ismael’s appointment. The rest of the brain trust did so at subsequent fans forum meetings. The first one attended by Adam Owen particularly had a lot of discussion around it. Pretty sure it was touched on in one of the ill advised sit down propaganda pieces/“fan engagement videos” too

[lraC]

3 hours ago, Miller11 said:

Ismael won’t care about that. He is targeted and earns bonuses based on giving academy players debuts and minutes.

I’m actually surprised he seemed a bit reluctant in the earlier part of the season. Perhaps he’s now twigged that expectations and standards are virtually zero, and that the accumulation of points isn’t that important to his bosses. I expect we will see at least half a dozen more academy players debut by the end of the season.

He is certainly not affected by his pathetic results to date, so that makes sense and is in way way, much of a surprise to me.

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 minute ago, Miller11 said:

It’s been mentioned several times publicly. Waggott did so soon after Ismael’s appointment. The rest of the brain trust did so at subsequent fans forum meetings. The first one attended by Adam Owen particularly had a lot of discussion around it. Pretty sure it was touched on in one of the ill advised sit down propaganda pieces/“fan engagement videos” too

I can't recall seeing any of that but ,whilst I appreciate you touch on this on your original post,  more to the point do you think that the manager has done anything wrong so far in his team selections by apparently favouring academy products over others ? Most of the views expressed on here are to the contrary.

[aletheia]

20 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I can't recall seeing any of that but

It's a good job you have now been made aware.

[aletheia]

Ismael’s total league record to date with Rovers

37 games

11 wins

43 points out of possible 111 points

This season

25 games

7 wins

28 points

Edited yesterday at 14:39 by aletheia

[JHRover]

8 minutes ago, aletheia said:

Ismael’s total league record to date with Rovers

37 games

11 wins

43 points out of possible 111 points

This season

25 games

7 wins

28 points

Almost an identical record to his time at Watford in his last job:

41 games, 12 wins, 14 draws, 15 defeats = 29.27%

Rovers:

38 games, 11 wins, 10 draws, 17 defeats = 28.95%

No excuses at Watford about owners, injuries, transfers etc. Yet his record dismal there as well. 

 

[Tomphil2]

If it's correct then it hollows out any words in regards to putting his trust in academy players when in fact the situation has been created on purpose. It then revolves around money and future money rather than points but we all knew this is how this club has wanted to operate for years.

Because no doubt those in the middle of it all gain from it on top of their wages.

JDT then Eustace wouldn't play ball hence their public spats and engineering their escapes. I also think Mowbray knew it was coming and wasn't keen as he knew where it would lead but would probably have gone along with it had they shoved a contract in front of him.

To be honest the problems we are having still revolve more around a lot of piss poor recruitment rather than lads thrown in but as the season goes on we'll see them breaking down through being pushed too hard too soon and others losing their way for the same reasons.

Then what ?

Edited yesterday at 15:06 by Tomphil2

[Leonard Venkhater]

16 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

For his entire time in charge?

Most of it...

When VI arrived, the team had lost Lewis Baker, Ohashi and Beck ( from memory) plus Wharton and Carter. Then, the recruitment tossers had delivered  absolute shite in the transfer window-Woodrowe, Dennis and Forshaw ( all of whom had hardly kicked a ball for months) and.... Kargbo.

He has had very poor resources-well below Championship standard.

I am not claiming VI is a brilliant manager, but Eustace left for a reason and that reason is clear.

[MarkBRFC]

1 minute ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Most of it...

When VI arrived, the team had lost Lewis Baker, Ohashi and Beck ( from memory) plus Wharton and Carter. Then, the recruitment tossers had delivered  absolute shite in the transfer window-Woodrowe, Dennis and Forshaw ( all of whom had hardly kicked a ball for months) and.... Kargbo.

He has had very poor resources-well below Championship standard.

I am not claiming VI is a brilliant manager, but Eustace left for a reason and that reason is clear.

Ohashi was back from injury for VI's first game. Came off the bench, and then started every game for the rest of the season afterwards.

Agree with the rest though, although I do think he's a very poor manager regardless.

[Leonard Venkhater]

5 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Ohashi was back from injury for VI's first game. Came off the bench, and then started every game for the rest of the season afterwards.

Agree with the rest though, although I do think he's a very poor manager regardless.

Right.I "remembered" him missing most of the season after Leeds!

I am almost sure Tronstadt was missing for a good while though-maybe, just as Travis returned?

Edited yesterday at 15:22 by Leonard Venkhater

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Right.I "remembered" him missing most of the season after Leeds!

I am almost sure Tronstadt was missing for a good while though-maybe, just as Travis returned?

Pickering got injured for a while about the same time as Tronstad. 

[MarkBRFC]

12 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Right.I "remembered" him missing most of the season after Leeds!

I am almost sure Tronstadt was missing for a good while though-maybe, just as Travis returned?

Tronstad had a fews weeks out in January/February too, but he also came off the bench in Ismaels first game, and then started all but one of the games for the rest of the season.

VI had our strongest squad available for the run in last season (barring Pickering and Carter) that had been in the top 6 pretty much all way through the season so far, and then destroyed any play off hopes within two weeks of being appointed.

Sure, there are much bigger problems than him at the club, but he has been an absolute disaster from day one.

Edited yesterday at 15:35 by MarkBRFC

[Mike E]

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I can't recall seeing any of that but ,whilst I appreciate you touch on this on your original post,  more to the point do you think that the manager has done anything wrong so far in his team selections by apparently favouring academy products over others ? Most of the views expressed on here are to the contrary.

To add my tuppence to this:

I don’t think the manager trusting more academy players than expected reflects badly on him, but it reflects badly on EVERYONE involved in our transfer business and their bosses.

The results reflect badly on them AND the manager.

[lraC]

We are top of the blooding youngsters into the first team league, so for that we must be thankful.

Job done. 

[Leonard Venkhater]

8 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Tronstad had a fews weeks out in January/February too, but he also came off the bench in Ismaels first game, and then started all but one of the games for the rest of the season.

VI had our strongest squad available for the run in last season (barring Pickering and Carter) that had been in the top 6 pretty much all way through the season so far, and then destroyed any play off hopes within two weeks of being appointed.

Sure, there are much bigger problems than him at the club, but he has been an absolute disaster from day one.

But  the team had been on the slide before he came-8 defeats, 4 wins, 2 draws....14 points out of 38 is not play off form, is it.

The players seemed shell-shocked after Eustace's departure ( and its pre-amble, which would have been visible to them)

This was a season sabotaged by Suhail and Gestede...

[lraC]

1 minute ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

But  the team had been on the slide before he came-8 defeats, 4 wins, 2 draws....14 points out of 38 is not play off form, is it.

The players seemed shell-shocked after Eustace's departure ( and its pre-amble, which would have been visible to them)

This was a season sabotaged by Suhail and Gestede...

We are also top of the sabotaging seasons league too, have managed that for 3 out of the last 5.

[MarkBRFC]

4 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

But  the team had been on the slide before he came-8 defeats, 4 wins, 2 draws....14 points out of 38 is not play off form, is it.

The players seemed shell-shocked after Eustace's departure ( and its pre-amble, which would have been visible to them)

This was a season sabotaged by Suhail and Gestede...

Again I don't disagree with that, and you are correct the form as Eustace left was pretty bad but we were just hanging in there.

Just judging the managers performance though since coming in, he was and still is an absolute shocker. His past managerial career before turning up here will tell you that.

[Leonard Venkhater]

7 minutes ago, lraC said:

We are also top of the sabotaging seasons league too, have managed that for 3 out of the last 5.

This boils my piss!!

[Tomphil2]

9 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

 

This was a season sabotaged by Suhail and Gestede...

And just think of the commission on the horizon from such a turnover of players in such a short time.

Plus it's presented to the owners as cost cutting on top of all the transfer fees they've raked in the last couple of years.

I'm holding this pair of pricks responsible and whoever is involved in the middle and whilst they are mostly detested here over in V land they probably think they are a couple of geniuses.

They might come to regret that though by the end of May !

[Leonard Venkhater]

6 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Again I don't disagree with that, and you are correct the form as Eustace left was pretty bad but we were just hanging in there.

Just judging the managers performance though since coming in, he was and still is an absolute shocker. His past managerial career before turning up here will tell you that.

Well, we knew all about his managerial record and we have to remember who hired him...( and their agenda)

[Paul Mellelieu]

I've been in the he's had a tough hand camp, but the lads on the Blackburn End podcast today made some great points about VI and I'm edging towards the he needs to go camp.