Valérien Ismaël: Former Head Coach

[Roverthechimp]

Has Russel Martin found a gig yet? 😱

[roversfan99]

Obviously in isolation (overall its not the important thing) its fantastic to see a terrible manager leave.

Mind you, I am not convinced it was purely the clubs decision. Hence mutual termination. Even someone who seemed so "aligned" presumably has had enough of the shit players thrown his way.

Under no circumstances should we give it to Johnson until the end of the season, even if he wins a game or 2.

[TimmyJimmy]

If you're into gallows humour, Mick McCarthy.

That's the pond we're fishing in.

[Gav]

Has Gestede and his gimp blamed Waggott for the appointment of VI yet?

Only a matter of time surely

[M_B]

8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Obviously in isolation (overall its not the important thing) its fantastic to see a terrible manager leave.

Mind you, I am not convinced it was purely the clubs decision. Hence mutual termination. Even someone who seemed so "aligned" presumably has had enough of the shit players thrown his way.

Under no circumstances should we give it to Johnson until the end of the season, even if he wins a game or 2.

Sacked according to Nixon on Lancs earlier. 

If Johnson does have a good start I'd be tempted to keep it going on an interim basis, bit by bit, see where it takes us. 

Edited 1 hour ago by M_B

[StubbsUK]

38 minutes ago, Eternal Optimist said:

Too lazy to research tonight but is Slaven Bilic’s record in management actually any good? 

He’s bouncing round Saudi and China so … 🤣

[Norbert Rassragr]

Might as well cause an East Lancashire apocalypse and bring back the bald Scottish anti christ. Go nuclear with the ineptitude and hatred.

[Athlete]

1 hour ago, Miller11 said:

Before Waggott got here all our managers came from HSH (Lambert, Coyle, Mowbray). Suhail definitely appears to be friendly with one or more of their directors.

They absolutely had their claws in at Rovers and their noses in the trough until Waggott cut them off. See Craig Honeyman’s bitter Twitter account for the fallout.

I’ve just found out that Gregory Vignal is a client of theirs. Looks like they are back. HSH is basically the remnants of SEM Kentaro by the way.

I’d put my money on one of the following:

Lee Grant
Sami Hyppia
Anthony Hudson
Pep Lijnders
David Artell
Neil Lennon
Lee Grant
Darren Potter
Mark Robins
Uwe Hunemeir
Lee Carsley
Mike Garrity
George Boateng
Richie Barker
Stuart Taylor
Alex Tettey

That is one bad list

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Obviously in isolation (overall its not the important thing) its fantastic to see a terrible manager leave.

Mind you, I am not convinced it was purely the clubs decision. Hence mutual termination. Even someone who seemed so "aligned" presumably has had enough of the shit players thrown his way.

Under no circumstances should we give it to Johnson until the end of the season, even if he wins a game or 2.

"Mutual termination" means you're being sacked but we're paying up your contract and phrasing it this way to salvage your reputation a bit and in return you can sign a NDA.

IF Johnson came in and won the next 2-3 it would be stupid to get rid of him. Just dont say anything and wait until we're safe THEN either give him the job or bring someone else in.

Johnson might surprise a few people, he seemed very highly rated a few years ago before Mowbray brought him into the first team set up and then seemingly completely marginalised him.

Wouldn't mind the 2 Damien's Duff and Johnson.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

3 minutes ago, M_B said:

Sacked according to Nixon on Lancs earlier 

He was a terrible manager but most clubs would have sacked him Sat night.  Fact it was today only makes sense if Gestede goes as well.  It's clear we have hone from bad to rotten under his influence/recruitment. 

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

"Mutual termination" means you're being sacked but we're paying up your contract and phrasing it this way to salvage your reputation a bit and in return you can sign a NDA.

IF Johnson came in and won the next 2-3 it would be stupid to get rid of him. Just dont say anything and wait until we're safe THEN either give him the job or bring someone else in.

Johnson might surprise a few people, he seemed very highly rated a few years ago before Mowbray brought him into the first team set up and then seemingly completely marginalised him.

Wouldn't mind the 2 Damien's Duff and Johnson.

Youve done well to bring Mowbray into it.

Duff wouldnt be mentioned if he didnt play for us. And Johnson shouldnt be given the job. We need someone with some sort of decent track record.

[JBiz]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Youve done well to bring Mowbray into it.

Duff wouldnt be mentioned if he didnt play for us. And Johnson shouldnt be given the job. We need someone with some sort of decent track record.

We need…. Have you been asleep for 15 years?

He is talking about the best we’re likely to get. Duff is obviously not that, but he has a few examples in his short career that suggest there might be something there.

If it was my billions paying the bills it would be all out for Postecoglu. At least then you could convince him that he might win a trophy in his second season (league one) 😝 

[roversfan99]

I remember saying many times why this head coach nonsense in modern football is counter productive. Players picked by people unqualified to do so and given to the head coach rather than letting him have sole autonomy to decide who he wants and doesnt want.

We are an extreme and particularly dysfunctional case obviously, but every February we are left looking for a new manager and with a squad not fit for purpose.

[JHRover]

Every January transfer window in recent memory we have disgraced ourselves.

Mowbray's final season, signing Hedges, Giles and Zeefuik whilst challenging for automatic promotion and the nonsensical claim he had turned down the offer of cash to make serious signings.

JDT's first season, signing Sorba Thomas on loan, the Lewis O'Brien fiasco

JDT's second season, bundling Adam Wharton out of the exit door on deadline day, the McGuire fiasco

Eustace's season, signing Woodrow and Dennis on short term deals and ludicrously claiming to have invested to support the manager.

This season, signing 3 randomers none of which we really needed, I suppose we haven't flogged anyone important (yet).

It is no coincidence that all four managers have thrown in the towel and given it up as a bad job soon after. Mowbray was sulking and clearly wasn't happy, JDT engineered his departure and was offering to go after his first season, Eustace couldn't wait to get out and Ismael seemed keen to be put out of his misery on Saturday.

They all know they've no chance under this regime.

Whoever turns up next will discover the same this time next year.

Meanwhile Derby getting the Szmodics deal over the line, £4.5 million with add-ons. Presumably 'we can't afford' that sort of deal - how much is relegation going to cost us again?

[RevidgeBlue]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Youve done well to bring Mowbray into it.

Duff wouldnt be mentioned if he didnt play for us. And Johnson shouldnt be given the job. We need someone with some sort of decent track record.

Sorry the truth hurts about your hero Mowbray.

IF Johnson came into the set up and kept us up and say went unbeaten for the rest of the season he'd give them a decision to make, Im not advocating it at this stage.

Duff does seem highly rated in general, him and Johnson might be an interesting combination if they got on well when they were players. I have heard it suggested Johnson is a slightly odd character.

[JBiz]

Just now, JHRover said:

Every January transfer window in recent memory we have disgraced ourselves.

Mowbray's final season, signing Hedges, Giles and Zeefuik whilst challenging for automatic promotion and the nonsensical claim he had turned down the offer of cash to make serious signings.

JDT's first season, signing Sorba Thomas on loan, the Lewis O'Brien fiasco

JDT's second season, bundling Adam Wharton out of the exit door on deadline day, the McGuire fiasco

Eustace's season, signing Woodrow and Dennis on short term deals and ludicrously claiming to have invested to support the manager.

This season, signing 3 randomers none of which we really needed, I suppose we haven't flogged anyone important (yet).

It is no coincidence that all four managers have thrown in the towel and given it up as a bad job soon after. Mowbray was sulking and clearly wasn't happy, JDT engineered his departure and was offering to go after his first season, Eustace couldn't wait to get out and Ismael seemed keen to be put out of his misery on Saturday.

They all know they've no chance under this regime.

Whoever turns up next will discover the same this time next year.

Meanwhile Derby getting the Szmodics deal over the line, £4.5 million with add-ons. Presumably 'we can't afford' that sort of deal - how much is relegation going to cost us again?

“They won’t sack Ismael because he’s doing an acceptable job”

[JHRover]

Just now, JBiz said:

“They won’t sack Ismael because he’s doing an acceptable job”

Mutual consent?

[Bbrovers2288]

I’m glad that Ismael has gone, it was clear that we are spiralling and I don’t think he can turn it round.

but I don’t really have too bad feelings about him, he took over a circus that got rid of its star attractions and was expected to improve , a limited manager maybe but a bad bloke, nah

until the root problem is eradicated it doesn’t matter who comes in is my honest opinion  
 

[Gamst]

Big Val was pretty useless but I'm even more concerned about his replacement. For a few hours I was delighted that the board had taken assertive action...maybe they do care after all?? It then became clear that this was about our inability/unwillingness to sign a striker that we so desperately need and he clearly just left as we never sack a manager. Absolutely no manager with any credibility or self-respect will take this job. I thought Val was maybe the bottom of the barrel, but I suspect he left (like those before him) due to not being adequately supported in the transfer market. This is a man who was happy enough to accept a restrictive wage structure that meant all his best players were going to leave and was happy to support sub-standard cheap European replacements. Obviously this month's transfer dealings are even too poor for Val to accept. I think it's quite possible that we just get relegated now without barely a whimper. 

[JBiz]

4 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Mutual consent?

Pfft - why not just admit you had it wrong? It’s not difficult, our club is run by shysters and is unpredictable.

 

[JBiz]

1 minute ago, Gamst said:

Big Val was pretty useless but I'm even more concerned about his replacement. For a few hours I was delighted that the board had taken assertive action...maybe they do care after all?? It then became clear that this was about our inability/unwillingness to sign a striker that we so desperately need and he clearly just left as we never sack a manager. Absolutely no manager with any credibility or self-respect will take this job. I thought Val was maybe the bottom of the barrel, but I suspect he left (like those before him) due to not being adequately supported in the transfer market. This is a man who was happy enough to accept a restrictive wage structure that meant all his best players were going to leave and was happy to support sub-standard cheap European replacements. Obviously this month's transfer dealings are even too poor for Val to accept. I think it's quite possible that we just get relegated now without barely a whimper. 

Re bold part - you another one who forgot we’ve won one in 15?

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Gamst said:

Big Val was pretty useless but I'm even more concerned about his replacement. For a few hours I was delighted that the board had taken assertive action...maybe they do care after all?? It then became clear that this was about our inability/unwillingness to sign a striker that we so desperately need and he clearly just left as we never sack a manager. Absolutely no manager with any credibility or self-respect will take this job. I thought Val was maybe the bottom of the barrel, but I suspect he left (like those before him) due to not being adequately supported in the transfer market. This is a man who was happy enough to accept a restrictive wage structure that meant all his best players were going to leave and was happy to support sub-standard cheap European replacements. Obviously this month's transfer dealings are even too poor for Val to accept. I think it's quite possible that we just get relegated now without barely a whimper. 

Don't know how many times this needs to be said - absolutely no chance he walked out of his own accord.

He was "aligned".

[Gamst]

4 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Re bold part - you another one who forgot we’ve won one in 15?

No. Why would I have forgotten this? Confused. 

[davulsukur]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

Nixon just suggested Graeme Souness

Nixon is absolutely retarded.

Souness? His last managerial job was in 2006.

[JBiz]

1 minute ago, Gamst said:

No. Why would I have forgotten this? Confused. 

Because no manager can be genuinely be serious in their argument of “I’m leaving because I’ve not been backed” when they have us winning an handful of games in 40.