2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[JHRover]

5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

How are Derby skint when they signings players for fees and offering contracts to free agents

 

Go and read about their finances. Their owner is not wealthy in footballing terms and he has been desperately searching for new investment for the last 12 months to help them. He's been putting in circa £13 million a year for 3 years to keep them ticking over (oh look, another club that loses an 8 figure sum every year even when they get better gates than we do and have managed to find a new owner prepared to fund it - one for the negative Venkys in people to keep in mind). 

You've answered half of your own question - they are going around trying to sign free agents - a clear sign of a club working to a limited budget yet still able to sign up our players.

How are we skint when we've brought in £40 million from sales and spent very little of it?

[Forever Blue]

5 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Assume we've just chucked a poor contract offer on the table, knowing he won't sign it, in order to get the compo but we won't have made any serious bid to keep him

I’d assume that’s exactly the what’s happening. He (his agent) will have ‘tested the market’, to coin that hoary old phrase, and realised he can get better than the shite Rovers are offering. 

Edited June 30 by Forever Blue

[MarkBRFC]

3 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

‘No contact’ read ‘recent contact’. They could have offered him a £5k a week contract 2 years ago, the agent goes back and says he wants £15k ( for example) and then no contact since.

 

Can only quote what you said, which was "no contact".

Quite plausible that you're scenario has happened.

[Forever Blue]

The big unknown is what Dolan is asking for. He probably doesn’t feel valued by Rovers based on what they’ve offered, but he/his agent might have miscalculated what he’s capable of getting elsewhere. 
 

I can’t imagine Derby are big payers even by Championship standards, but are probably a level up from Rovers,  who must now be in the bottom 2 or 3 clubs in terms of salaries. 

[47er]

2 hours ago, Damien said:

Why what on earth happens when they retire? Do they get taken out to pasture? 
 

No--they live on what they earned, partly at least.

[47er]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Maybe these players fancy going to Derby because they loved working under Eustace last season, were gutted when he left and are keen to get back working with him?

That would mean more serious and longer term consequences and implications to him moving to Derby but hey, at least we've now got 'alignment' between head coach and work experience head of football and some compo banked for Eustace and his staff

Happy days indeed.

And having some mates with him helps.

[47er]

1 hour ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

You keep referencing rovers….im not defending rovers im merely stating that when a player comes out and does this sit down interview about wanting to play at a higher level etc I don’t think derby is that level that they might have hoped for 

But still more attractive than we are apparently. Bit of a worry eh?

[RevidgeBlue]

At a normal Club, Dolan and Batth would have been re-signed without as much as a second thought. It would just have been a by line in passing in the local rag that they'd penned new deals.

[den]

I remember talking to John Williams about financing a squad. He pointed out that there were two options. You either limit the wages paid individually to all players (in effect a wage cap) meaning you could have a bigger squad, or you paid the going rate and brought in a number of potentially better players but had to survive with a smaller squad. He opted for the second option. I agree with that. 
 

I guess the point is that there are different ways of managing player salaries within the same budget. Implementing a wage cap is just a choice. In my opinion a wrong choice.

[Waggy76]

 The main thing is Derby have ambition , we don't !

 

[arbitro]

57 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Do you pay the wages of loanees until June 30th or merely until the end of the playing season?

It seems to be rubbing salt in the wound to have to be the wages of the likes of Dennis and Woodrow whilst they go on their jollies.

My understanding was that all deals including loans run until the end of June as per contracted players but I can't find anything to substantiate it.

[rigger]

3 hours ago, 47er said:

What's wrong with that? Everything else seems too work on the basis of the free market---supply and demand.

A footballer's life is a short one, why shouldn't he get the best deal he can?

Not as if there's any reward for loyalty at Rovers these days is it?

I have never gotten this footballers career is short. They work about a third of what an average person works, but in that time they earn ten times as much.

[rigger]

3 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

Derby might be his highest level…

Or his only offer

[briansol]

46 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

 The main thing is Derby have ambition , we don't !

 

They might have ambition, but I wonder what the strategy is?. They had the oldest squad in the Championship last year, and have now added 2 more veterans + Morris (29) to it. They basicly have a squad with no resale value and need to recycle the squad every year. 

Surely they will be solid and experienced with Eustace, but it seems like they are settling for mid-table security.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, davulsukur said:

Assume we've just chucked a poor contract offer on the table, knowing he won't sign it, in order to get the compo but we won't have made any serious bid to keep him

Unless we are in the room none of us. We all have our opinions but thats all they are. We tried to negotiate with him 2 years ago and he stonewall us then cos he had no agent 

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

How are we skint when we've brought in £40 million from sales and spent very little of it?

Are we skint? No. They owners have had their well documented problems in India. You know this. We spent around 4-5 million last season and spent this summer also and still looking to spend more. Not its not 10 millions budget we are spending some money

[TommyRovers]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Unless we are in the room none of us. We all have our opinions but thats all they are. We tried to negotiate with him 2 years ago and he stonewall us then cos he had no agent 

Are we skint? No. They owners have had their well documented problems in India. You know this. We spent around 4-5 million last season and spent this summer also and still looking to spend more. Not its not 10 millions budget we are spending some money

One day the penny will drop 

[JHRover]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Are we skint? No. They owners have had their well documented problems in India. You know this. We spent around 4-5 million last season and spent this summer also and still looking to spend more. Not its not 10 millions budget we are spending some money

Dear me Chaddy, deary deary me.

[rigger]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

What a load of nonsense - whilst I'm sure Derby will  be offering  him more money than we are, who do you think will finish higher in the table this season? Us or Derby?. I'd be astounded if it's us.

As for the money he's being offered I'd wager he's been on a ludicrously low wage up to now for a Championship player and that we've offered him that plus a pound or similar to stay simply so we can get compensation, not expecting him for one minute to be interested in re-signing.

Prepare to be astounded.

[rigger]

2 hours ago, J*B said:

This reads like a dig at your own fans, so for absolute clarity let’s not forget the years of terrible ownership Charlton fans suffered resulting in major protests and a Not A Penny More ideology.

I thought he was talking about Sheff Wednesday.

[davulsukur]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Unless we are in the room none of us. We all have our opinions but thats all they are. We tried to negotiate with him 2 years ago and he stonewall us then cos he had no agent 

Are we skint? No. They owners have had their well documented problems in India. You know this. We spent around 4-5 million last season and spent this summer also and still looking to spend more. Not its not 10 millions budget we are spending some money

I agree that we don't really know but if we've been trying to get him to sign a new contract for 2 years and we've not been successful, you'd have to say that the contract on offer hasn't been good enough. 

Even when he's had managers like JDT, who took us to the brink of the play offs, or Eustace, with whom the players really seemed to like, he still hasn't signed it.

That surely throws the spotlight back onto the club, in that they haven't offered anything remotely tempting for Dolan to sign. Journo's now saying we haven't even tried to engage him or his agent in talks again, suggests that the club won't be increasing their offer any further and clearly Dolan and his agent believe they can get more money elsewhere.

[davulsukur]

Nixon reckons that David Lowe will just leave the club altogether, rather than be moved into any other roles at the club.

[rob_of_the_rovers]

Why would anyone want to stay here if there are other options even at the same level and on the same pay? The club is run like a joke and there's every possibility we'd become the next Sheffield Wednesday.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, den said:

I remember talking to John Williams about financing a squad. He pointed out that there were two options. You either limit the wages paid individually to all players (in effect a wage cap) meaning you could have a bigger squad, or you paid the going rate and brought in a number of potentially better players but had to survive with a smaller squad. He opted for the second option. I agree with that. 
 

I guess the point is that there are different ways of managing player salaries within the same budget. Implementing a wage cap is just a choice. In my opinion a wrong choice.

I remember under Williams basically every penny in went out on wages, which was probably unsustainable in the long run.

[chaddyrovers]

31 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Dear me Chaddy, deary deary me.

We aren't Skint JH. We just don't invest at the levels we would like to see. Plus the problems in India which hopefully get sorted shortly for good 

Are we skint? If we were skint why are paying transfer fees for 2 summer signings so far? 

 

13 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Nixon reckons that David Lowe will just leave the club altogether, rather than be moved into any other roles at the club.

Ismael making his own changes to the staff. Interesting 

[MarkBRFC]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We aren't Skint JH. We just don't invest at the levels we would like to see. Plus the problems in India which hopefully get sorted shortly for good 

Are we skint? If we were skint why are paying transfer fees for 2 summer signings so far? 

 

Ismael making his own changes to the staff. Interesting 

The football club is skint.

The owner's aren't.

We are skint by choice, the owners could change that at any point.