Tomphil2 Posted Saturday at 08:57 Posted Saturday at 08:57 2 minutes ago, Hasta said: If your are not an intended seller then you play him as part of your pre-season routine. If it was a league game or a big cup tie I'd worry about his 'head', but not a 45 minute kick around in the sun at Stanley. ย Exactlyย But common sense leaves the building quickly in these scenarios and it perfectly fits the blame the player narrative. 1 Quote
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roversfan99 Posted Saturday at 08:57 Posted Saturday at 08:57 That Privy twitter account in the main has been accurate but he/she claims that all of the players were offered deals montbs ago. Why did at least 2 of these players (may have been all 3) come out close to the end of the season and say that they hadnt been offered anything yet? The account seems mainly accurate but it also seems keen to defend the club so may be a plant. Talk about "greedy" players not being willing to stay and calling out someone with an "anti-Venkys agenda." 1 Quote
Rogerb Posted Saturday at 08:58 Posted Saturday at 08:58 7 minutes ago, Forever Blue said: There is no difference. You shouldnโt refuse to play for the club paying your wages and with whom youโre under contract.ย Rudy has probably had a word. 5 Quote
superniko Posted Saturday at 08:59 Posted Saturday at 08:59 (edited) 57 minutes ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said: I am surprised that a lower Premier league team isn't sniffing around Brittain - and the very least one of the three relegated clubs. Boro, Derby or Wrexham - none are going to offer his true worth - or really offer much career advancement. I suppose it is a limited career, so if they are increasing his salary. He doesnโt have the physical attributes for the prem, nor the defensive abilities (in my opinion). Some of those wingers would eat him alive. The gulf is huge these days. He is a solid Championship full back who is good overlapping and getting forward, a player Iโd love us to keep. Iโd imagine Boro would offer him at least double what we would, and theyโre not a basket case club. Heโd be mad not to be interested Edited Saturday at 09:03 by superniko 6 Quote
RoversClitheroe Posted Saturday at 09:01 Posted Saturday at 09:01 3 minutes ago, Forever Blue said: Complete bollocks. Heโs under contract. Lots of players donโt refuse to play.ย On a wider point you can never complain again about players shitting on fans if that is your attitude.ย ย You also donโt speak for everyone.ย No that is bollocks. If you were in work and had an offer from another company to double your wage and they blocked it due to competition would you be fuming? And drop your efficiency in the workplace? ABSOLUTELYย Quote
Forever Blue Posted Saturday at 09:01 Posted Saturday at 09:01 2 minutes ago, Hasta said: We actively wanted to sell Szmodics. We were just trying to get the fee to what we thought was acceptable, but the player and the club knew that ultimately he would be leaving. Difference with Brittain is we are told we are actively trying to keep him. He still refused to play. We also know Brittain wants to leave cos heโll get a fatter wage. If heโs refused to play there is no difference.ย ย The problem with all this is that some have lost all perspective. If a player wants to break his contract and leave the club he gets defended because they hate the owners/board so much. I do too, but that doesnโt excuse players acting like entitled cunts. They donโt get a free pass cos the owners are also repugnant.ย 5 Quote
davulsukur Posted Saturday at 09:02 Posted Saturday at 09:02 17 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said: Have they reached the โheโs shit anywayโ stage yet?? ย No but the delusion that we will sell for ยฃ2.5m and spend all that on a replacement is definitely starting. Where the fuck have they been for the last 15 years? (In a coma it seems) 4 Quote
Forever Blue Posted Saturday at 09:02 Posted Saturday at 09:02 1 minute ago, RoversClitheroe said: No that is bollocks. If you were in work and had an offer from another company to double your wage and they blocked it due to competition would you be fuming? And drop your efficiency in the workplace? ABSOLUTELYย Utter shite 1 Quote
Forever Blue Posted Saturday at 09:05 Posted Saturday at 09:05 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rogerb said: Rudy has probably had a word. I have no doubt what the master plan is here. Big earners off the books and get in cheaper replacements. Brittains still a twat tho if heโs refused to play.ย Edited Saturday at 09:05 by Forever Blue 1 Quote
superniko Posted Saturday at 09:06 Posted Saturday at 09:06 1 minute ago, davulsukur said: No but the delusion that we will sell for ยฃ2.5m and spend all that on a replacement is definitely starting. Where the fuck have they been for the last 15 years? (In a coma it seems) This is the crux of it. If someone offered us ยฃ10m for Pickering Iโd almost wonder whatโs the point as we would only replace with ยฃ500k if we were lucky ย ย 3 Quote
Crimpshrine Posted Saturday at 09:08 Posted Saturday at 09:08 1 hour ago, Tomphil2 said: Yet i'm absolutely convinced if there was a contract put in front of Brittain 6 months ago he'd have signed it. This is the problem time and time again and you can only conclude they don't give a shit or they are nudging them. Exactly. The lack of contract negotiations is a conscious decision to make other clubs aware that players are available.ย Anyone worth a bob or two is being put in the situation where they are effectively being encouraged to look elsewhere. It's the current model - sell and replace with cheaper options. The only remit Pasha has these days is to save Venky's money.ย ย 2 Quote
Hasta Posted Saturday at 09:10 Posted Saturday at 09:10 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Forever Blue said: He still refused to play. We also know Brittain wants to leave cos heโll get a fatter wage. If heโs refused to play there is no difference.ย ย The problem with all this is that some have lost all perspective. If a player wants to break his contract and leave the club he gets defended because they hate the owners/board so much. I do too, but that doesnโt excuse players acting like entitled cunts. They donโt get a free pass cos the owners are also repugnant.ย Dont get me wrong, I agree with you that the player is being paid and should never refuse to play. Szmodics was wrong to do it, but I think we only allowed it (almost with our blessing) as we were willing sellers. It was never going to harm us andย I suspect the club didn't want Sammy injured as they were planning for his sale and exit in the coming months. Here we are led to believe they are planning for Brittain to be a key part of the team for the next 4 years, so they should be more stern. (if true of course, a random shitty tweet can sometimes just become gospel) Edited Saturday at 09:12 by Hasta Quote
Tomphil2 Posted Saturday at 09:24 Posted Saturday at 09:24 7 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said: Exactly. The lack of contract negotiations is a conscious decision to make other clubs aware that players are available.ย Anyone worth a bob or two is being put in the situation where they are effectively being encouraged to look elsewhere. It's the current model - sell and replace with cheaper options. The only remit Pasha has these days is to save Venky's money.ย ย Maybe not the same scenario but there are shades of the Anderson/Kean manoeuvres here again over the last 18 months with such a turnover of staff seemingly forced or encouraged on purpose. When they potted Allardyce the established players went mad and he pacified them by handing out one year extensions then before those extensions kicked in they manipulated them towards the exit door grabbing what they could for some along the way. The aim .. reduce the wage bill for the owners and bring in some money for the black hole coupled with their commission to get rid and bring in cheaper. There is definitely a forced turnover happening again here even in the backroom staff etc and the aim is the same, reduce wages, grab money, bring in cheaper all across the board. Who is on commission this time though. 1 Quote
arbitro Posted Saturday at 09:25 Posted Saturday at 09:25 41 minutes ago, Forever Blue said: Szmodics did exactly the same.ย ย Weโll see if itโs true later I thought Szmodics asked not to play in friendlies rather than refused and Eustace complied. Personally I don't believe the 'refuse to play' part alleged by the author of this. If Rovers have accepted his leaving as a fait accompli then it would be silly to play him. 8 Quote
alex l Posted Saturday at 09:26 Posted Saturday at 09:26 31 minutes ago, Hasta said: We actively wanted to sell Szmodics. We were just trying to get the fee to what we thought was acceptable, but the player and the club knew that ultimately he would be leaving. Difference with Brittain is we are told we are actively trying to keep him. Not sure that's the case, he confirmed we offered a new contract to try and convince him to stayย Quote
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted Saturday at 09:27 Posted Saturday at 09:27 24 minutes ago, superniko said: He doesnโt have the physical attributes for the prem, nor the defensive abilities (in my opinion). Some of those wingers would eat him alive. The gulf is huge these days. He is a solid Championship full back who is good overlapping and getting forward, a player Iโd love us to keep. Iโd imagine Boro would offer him at least double what we would, and theyโre not a basket case club. Heโd be mad not to be interested He improved quite a bit defensively last season but heโs still not what Iโd call a good defender. He doesnโt relish the physical side of the game enough. Think back to Nyambe, crap going forward but nobody ever got the better of him in one on one duels. 3 Quote
Darwen Rover 007 Posted Saturday at 09:28 Posted Saturday at 09:28 If hes not interested in re signing.. get the most we can for him and move him on quickly.. spend the money (yes I know) on some replacements, I genuinely feel (yes I know again) Rudy and team can find some bargains. ย 2 Quote
Forever Blue Posted Saturday at 09:32 Posted Saturday at 09:32 4 minutes ago, arbitro said: I thought Szmodics asked not to play in friendlies rather than refused and Eustace complied. Personally I don't believe the 'refuse to play' part alleged by the author of this. If Rovers have accepted his leaving as a fait accompli then it would be silly to play him. No he refused to play. His words. He then told Eustace and Eustace said fine. Eustace then made him play in the cup at Stockport iirc.ย ย ย Quote
roverstdt Posted Saturday at 09:38 Posted Saturday at 09:38 12 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Its not that he doesnt want to renew. He seemingly was about to but because we left it far too late, his head will be turned by a much better offer. He was offered a contract literally 7 months ago and has been so repeatedly. So what we now need to offer contracts 24 months in advance of the contract endingโฆmadย Quote
roverstdt Posted Saturday at 09:40 Posted Saturday at 09:40 12 hours ago, Tomphil2 said: 'Doesn't want to renew'ย ๐ฌ Player number what ?ย who all of a sudden doesn't want to renew mysteriously after they've not even offered contract talks until its only a year left. Honestly some people will convince themselves of anything just to keep the club narrative. He was literally offered a contract in March we are in July that isnโt a year leftโฆ.some people just like to complain the whole time instead of looking at timelinesย Quote
roversfan99 Posted Saturday at 09:45 Posted Saturday at 09:45 4 minutes ago, roverstdt said: He was offered a contract literally 7 months ago and has been so repeatedly. So what we now need to offer contracts 24 months in advance of the contract endingโฆmadย Says who? Why did they all say they hadnt yet started talks with the club in March/April? Why have no players (beside the weird Ribeiro situation) signed new deals in the last 2 years? Its not just general moaning, its a fundamental issue at this club that we cant get players to renew their contracts. Although to be quite honest, yes you should be starting talks with 2 years to go. 2 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted Saturday at 09:46 Posted Saturday at 09:46 2 minutes ago, roverstdt said: He was literally offered a contract in March we are in July that isnโt a year leftโฆ.some people just like to complain the whole time instead of looking at timelinesย Where is the actual evidence of that ? Seems the local press are working on assumption and even if so it's literally a few months difference why wasn't he offered something a good 18 months ago ? Some will just ignore the obvious constantly in order to blame the player, they can only turn down a contract when they are OFFERED one in the first place and there has NEVER been any talk of Brittain turning down an offer or stalling on one ! Quote
CambridgeRover Posted Saturday at 09:47 Posted Saturday at 09:47 18 minutes ago, Darwen Rover 007 said: If hes not interested in re signing.. get the most we can for him and move him on quickly.. spend the money (yes I know) on some replacements, I genuinely feel (yes I know again) Rudy and team can find some bargains. ย I have zero faith in Rudy Gestede. Not sure why anyone does? 3 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted Saturday at 09:53 Posted Saturday at 09:53 On top of all this it's highly likely we'll be in a very similar situation to this with Travis in a few weeks time once the rumoured interest in him gathers pace. Great eh. 2 Quote
arbitro Posted Saturday at 10:06 Posted Saturday at 10:06 The real worry for me is that in the corridors of power at Rovers they don't seem to be learning from previous errors a recurring theme from the last decade and a half. We lost Lenihan, Rothwell and Nyambe because of the way they stalled on contract negotiations which in the instance of those three Covid was blamed. They might have wanted to go anyway but I think the delays in negotiations helped them feel unwanted and strengthened their resolve to leave. Similarly now we have several key players out of contract at the end of the season and the longer it drags on I really think the chances of them staying diminishes. And no agreement by January will be critical as they could start to coast or be sold for a minimal fee. It really is a mess of Rovers own doing. 1 Quote
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