2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[JHRover]

13 minutes ago, paullarrygher said:

I've heard that Suhail considers £200m as the magic number that would convince them to sell. But that's pie in the sky stuff and they aren't getting their money back. Even Chansiri is not mad enough to ask for that.

The only way they would get that is to gamble and get back to the Premier League. They aren't going to do that with Suhail on the pursestrings.

The reality is that the club will continue to be a financial drain for them. Suhail will continue to pick up his hefty salary while cutting costs to try and minimise that drain to keep his cushy deal going.


 

 

There's clearly no intention to sell or to get us back to the PL.

Those who believe that they are keeping us with a view to getting back to the PL to recover their investment I think are deluded.

The only calculations they need to be thinking about are whether they want another 10 years of funding a Championship / League One club to the tune of £10 million+ a year, ultimately costing them a further £100 million or more on top of what it has already cost, or whether they are better putting a stop to it now, stopping the drain of money and handing it over for a nominal amount to someone willing to try and better the club. 

 

[aletheia]

1 hour ago, KentExile said:

Why bother with a ground even  😉 

We're looking into that 😉

[Tomphil2]

1 hour ago, Lancaster Rover said:

"Trust us", and subsequently bin bagged an experienced (although difficult to like) manager for a man who has no mens game/pro managerial experience (admittedly holds an A license) and is the same religion as the new owners. Now I have no problem what religion, ethnicity, etc a manager is however to clear an experienced one out who has stood by that club through it's darkest hours to replace with one who wouldn't appear on paper to have been in the running anywhere else doesn't seem a great foot to get off on. 

Has a really familiar look to it, wonder what these guys need Morcambe FC for really.

A marketing tool or money pit ?

[aletheia]

So there does appear to be a great deal of circumstantial (maybe more?) evidence (and this has been around for a long time now) that the teller of fairy stories who has problems with nose picking according to some still has fingers in the pie. All allegedly of course.

Could it be that this person and associates have far too much dirt on both the Raos and the EFL that they would not like to come to light, that an ‘understanding’ is in place – we won’t shed any embarrassing light on matters if the revolving door of players is maintained? If this is the case, it begs the question, how long will it continue –how long will this plodding along last? Until one or more of the actors is no longer with us? Until, it is so long the EFL wouldn’t be embarrassed?

All allegedly and imho of course.

 

[lraC]

6 minutes ago, aletheia said:

So there does appear to be a great deal of circumstantial (maybe more?) evidence (and this has been around for a long time now) that the teller of fairy stories who has problems with nose picking according to some still has fingers in the pie. All allegedly of course.

Could it be that this person and associates have far too much dirt on both the Raos and the EFL that they would not like to come to light, that an ‘understanding’ is in place – we won’t shed any embarrassing light on matters if the revolving door of players is maintained? If this is the case, it begs the question, how long will it continue –how long will this plodding along last? Until one or more of the actors is no longer with us? Until, it is so long the EFL wouldn’t be embarrassed?

All allegedly and imho of course.

 

Sir Alex said the agent connected with the club, couldn't pick his nose.

Sir Alex Ferguson reveals agents' outrageous demands to United | Alex Ferguson | The Guardian

[aletheia]

On NDAs

If your break one, what is the come back? Financial?

If you break one say because you know you are dying (sorry to be morbid) can any penalisation be passed to your family?

What is to stop someone with an NDA using mouthpieces to get the story out -too traceable? 

[Lucimo]

1 hour ago, lraC said:

Link below mate.

 

Thanks pal😀

[Mike E]

1 hour ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Rhetorical question: how significant is this contact?

Should we put it out there?

If so, we could decide when and how to use the information for maximum impact

I was actually referring to Steve Kean (worked with all three) but played along with the potential for the fellow you may be referring to 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

28 minutes ago, aletheia said:

On NDAs

If your break one, what is the come back? Financial?

If you break one say because you know you are dying (sorry to be morbid) can any penalisation be passed to your family?

What is to stop someone with an NDA using mouthpieces to get the story out -too traceable? 

Yes pretty much easy for them to track how/where the information has came from

most nda agreements likely involve financial penalties injunctions and legal action. They are normally only accepted I’d say in our case JDT and JE so the club let them out of the contract. Yeah could be similar but you don’t have to sign one if that’s the case they will probably say we aren’t selling you and he loses a year of football but then can spill all next year - tricky one

[lraC]

Let's fall out, get involved in a legal dispute and then keep going back for more.

venkys fall out with Kentaro - Google Search

[Mercer]

I think agents are generally a scourge on football and it's a widely held sentiment.

I would love to know how much Dolan's agent made out of his move to Espanyol !!! 😉

[lraC]

4 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I think agents are generally a scourge on football and it's a widely held sentiment.

I would love to know how much Dolan's agent made out of his move to Espanyol !!! 😉

i bet he did it free.

We once had an agent work all summer for free and had the place rocking, when he left.

[Paul Mellelieu]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

There's clearly no intention to sell or to get us back to the PL.

Those who believe that they are keeping us with a view to getting back to the PL to recover their investment I think are deluded.

The only calculations they need to be thinking about are whether they want another 10 years of funding a Championship / League One club to the tune of £10 million+ a year, ultimately costing them a further £100 million or more on top of what it has already cost, or whether they are better putting a stop to it now, stopping the drain of money and handing it over for a nominal amount to someone willing to try and better the club. 

 

This seems like a reasonable argument.

[Waggy76]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

There's clearly no intention to sell or to get us back to the PL.

Those who believe that they are keeping us with a view to getting back to the PL to recover their investment I think are deluded.

The only calculations they need to be thinking about are whether they want another 10 years of funding a Championship / League One club to the tune of £10 million+ a year, ultimately costing them a further £100 million or more on top of what it has already cost, or whether they are better putting a stop to it now, stopping the drain of money and handing it over for a nominal amount to someone willing to try and better the club. 

 

That is the logical conclusion but unfortunately Venkys do not do logic !

What , I would really like to know is  who exactly is on the payroll ?

Adminstration or selling the Club would mean access to the accounts .

 

 

[Lancaster Rover]

1 hour ago, Tomphil2 said:

Has a really familiar look to it, wonder what these guys need Morcambe FC for really.

A marketing tool or money pit ?

Same question everyone I know has asked, they don't seem to have any obvious business to promote so the latter option seems the most logical

[Mercer]

20 minutes ago, lraC said:

i bet he did it free.

We once had an agent work all summer for free and had the place rocking, when he left.

Understand the humour!

If what I have recently been told is correct about what the agent wanted for himself then it is no surprise to me that it took a little time to find Dolan a new club.

[RevidgeBlue]

Busy morning on the transfer front then?

Damn these "strange" and "difficult" markets!

[TommyRovers]

How Jerome Anderson managed to do so much damage, avoid media scrutiny (despite media darling Alex Ferguson’s comments) and walk away Scot free is criminal.

The man was a grade A slimy cunt. Nasty piece of work. A huge reason why we are where we are.

[lraC]

13 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Understand the humour!

If what I have recently been told is correct about what the agent wanted for himself then it is no surprise to me that it took a little time to find Dolan a new club.

It is a real haven for Agents making a killing, so it would come as no surprise to me.

[RoverCanada]

I did some 'back of a napkin' bottom-up tallying of our staff costs suggesting our all-in average cost per senior player was in the range of £10-11k/wk in 23-24 (My previous guesstimate was ~£13k/wk!). Perhaps there's a number of shady hangers-on, consultants, etc. making more than I broadly assumed, but, unless they're making millions (shrug emoji), it won't move the needle that much. Part of my previous point that while maybe senior guys like Hyam, Travis, etc. are currently on '£10k/wk', there are plenty of bonuses, etc. that push up 'staff costs'. Probably quite a split within the squad, with Academy grads on relative buttons, a few on 'decent' Championship wages (with Cantwell a potential outlier on top of that), while you can attract the likes of Tronstad, De Neve, Henriksson, etc. with, say, £8/wk-ish packages. It's all guesswork!

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Suppose we had a (mere) multi-millionaire owner who loved the club, had (or built up) a local connection, etc. but was open about only being able to sustainably burn, say, ~£5m/year (so, no FFP risk either), with occasional major sales helping stem those losses (with some % allowed for reinvestment). Furthermore, we'd likely still be well into the lower quartile of league turnover due to inherent financial inequalities (would hope we'd have higher turnover under this jollier scenario, but there are limits, especially relative to parachute payment clubs; as an aside, I've often wondered how much of our current commercial revenue is Venky's-related).

In such a scenario, you'd probably have to accept that we'd have a relatively strict wage cap and would need to get creative (and lucky) with lower-league or Euro player trading, but at least we could start building back some pride in this club.

Hence, you could maybe conclude there is some logic (even if frustrating) to what we're currently doing...

However, we have multi-billionaire owners, where we have no idea how much they care or why they still own the club, have apparently deluded themselves into making a Championship club 'sustainable' even though their alleged wealth suggests they can easily absorb (FFP-compliant, after deductions!) losses of ~£17m/year (where, combined with semi-regular sales (and allowing some reinvestment!), we could probably manage a wage bill in the high £20s million). Whatever the merits of the model they're trying to impose, the fact that we again risk losing out-of-contract (or are chaotically offloading them) betrays a continued complete lack of strategic direction (and we thus should already be hearing murmurs of extensions for Carter, Toth, etc.). Bah, I say!

Edited 4 hours ago by RoverCanada

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, paullarrygher said:

The reality is that the club will continue to be a financial drain for them. Suhail will continue to pick up his hefty salary while cutting costs to try and minimise that drain to keep his cushy deal going.

Ive been saying for years that the Club has ceased to become a football Club where the aim or priority is to win football matches but is merely a place where certain people go to earn a lot of money.

For me it's been like that ever since we got back to the Championship to an extent,  with at different times  The "Coventrio" of Mowbray/Waggott/Venus Broughton, Gestede, (and of course Pasha throughout) all having their snouts in the trough.

From a supporters point of view, what is the point in a Club with no aspirations of success whatsoever, and whose only function is to scrape together enough money together to pay the wages of the people working there?

There is none.

And now seemingly, you can't even watch the football when you're having your pre-match pint!

[47er]

3 hours ago, lraC said:

As we have heard from the brilliant podcast that Glen did, the club deny having had any bids, even though there have been at least 3 recently.

 

Again, as I remember it, the Club denied they had received any formal bids. 

What that means imo is that they have had buyer interest but have never allowed it to get to the formal offer stage.

What's the difference? Whatever Venkys wants it to be!

Weasel words.

They've received offers alright but they've said NO. They want to preserve the myth that no-one is interested in buying Rovers.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by 47er

[MarkBRFC]

Looks like "transition" season is going to be the new buzzword this season, with VI mentioning it in every single interview.

[wilsdenrover]

6 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Looks like "transition" season is going to be the new buzzword this season, with VI mentioning it in every single interview.

buzzword or excuse? 

[BRFC.]

13 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

We offer we can afford. Wages are higher than turnover. You have budget and you sign players you can, sell players you don't want or players who want to leave

 

 

 

What about the fees from Raya, Wharton, Szmodics and Brittain + Gallagher and wahlstedt????