v Ipswich Town (h) - 20/9/25

[Upside Down]

2 hours ago, rigger said:

A non return valve allows flow in only one direction. It is at work all the time, It never shuts off flow from the ground to the river, but does not allow a flow from the river to the ground. The venturi effect of the positioning of the outlet allows for the flow into the river, when the river level is above the outlet. 

That's not how the Venturi effect works.

Flow in = Flow out

Putting the pipe on an angle does nothing to change the hydraulic head pressure.

I explained all of this the last time we had a game called off for a waterlogged pitch.

[NeilInBristol]

5 hours ago, rigger said:

Expensive, and needs quite a bit of maintenance. The club is not very good at maintenance.

I heard on national news some sink holes appeared in Darwen due to the heavy rain 

 

crazy times up north

[Tugay-is-God]

9 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said:

I heard on national news some sink holes appeared in Darwen due to the heavy rain 

 

crazy times up north

Oh boy

[47er]

41 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

That's not how the Venturi effect works.

Isn't it the Venky effect that's to blame?

[RevidgeBlue]

32 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said:

I heard on national news some sink holes appeared in Darwen due to the heavy rain 

 

crazy times up north

Im assuming fake news.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

41 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Im assuming fake news.

No, true apparently.

[Upside Down]

40 minutes ago, 47er said:

Isn't it the Venky effect that's to blame?

Climate change really but given their involvement in factory farming they will be making a decent contribution towards it. 

As I mentioned last time, this issue could be sorted out by installing a stormwater detention system for times like this but that would cost money. Since they can't even do the most basic maintenance there's no way while there's a hole in anybody's arse that this issue will be dealt with.

The venky effect it is.

[bluebruce]

Well lads, I think we can give up on the prospect of getting to finish this game, or being awarded the points. I asked AI to give me some precedents from the last 10 years, and I'd say we've no fucking chance. Apologies if these have been mentioned already (or if any are wrong due to AI innacuracy):

1. Blackpool vs Huddersfield Town (May 2015)

• Abandonment Time: 48th minute

• Reason: Fan protest—Blackpool supporters invaded the pitch.

• Score at Abandonment: 0–0

• Decision: The Football League declared the match a 0–0 draw, as it had no bearing on promotion or relegation.

 

2. Charlton Athletic vs Doncaster Rovers (April 2023)

• Abandonment Time: 85th minute

• Reason: Medical emergency in the crowd.

• Score at Abandonment: 1–1

• Decision: The match was replayed in full, despite being nearly complete. The EFL cited fairness and competition integrity.

 

3. Leyton Orient vs Hartlepool United (March 2021)

• Abandonment Time: 87th minute

• Reason: Floodlight failure.

• Score at Abandonment: 2–0 to Leyton Orient

• Decision: The match was replayed in full, even though Orient were winning and the game was nearly over.

 

4. Coventry City vs Rotherham United (February 2017)

• Abandonment Time: 85th minute

• Reason: Waterlogged pitch.

• Score at Abandonment: 1–0 to Coventry

• Decision: The match was replayed in full, despite the late stage and clear lead.

 

So one game where the result stood, but only because it would definitely have zero impact on relegation or promotion. The other three all replayed in full, including a ridiculous situation where the game was abandoned in the 87th minute with Orient 2 nil up! That one seems to solidify we have no chance (with the slight caveat that the game was abandoned due to floodlight failure which, unless there was a blackout, would probably have distinctly been Orient's fault...but equally the EFL could ask us to prove we've done everything we can to improve our systems to prevent this flooding).

The 4th game there is the most similar to ours, except that Rotherham didn't have 10 men, but Coventry were 5 minutes closer to victory. We're screwed.

The second game was a playoff match btw, and with the score being level seems fair enough to me it was replayed.

For what it's worth, Coventry and Leyton Orient both won their replays 5-0. So they actually ended up with more dominant wins. Knowing our luck, and with Ipswich being preseason favourites to win the league, I doubt it will go that way for us. And it's still another game we shouldn't have to play with our thin squad.

[bluebruce]

With a bit more probing, I managed to find 2 games where a team was allowed to keep a victory, but both were non-league. One of them the winners had a 3 goal lead and it was the 85th minute, the other one was only a 2-1, but it was the 88th minute.

[bluebruce]

I asked the AI (Copilot) a few more questions and established that apparently, no game in any professional football league anywhere in the world has ever resumed a game from the score and minute it was abandoned, as far as the AI can find. Some amateur levels have experimented with it (seems mad that semi-pro and amateur levels can be more sensible about this shit IMO) and American Football and Basketball have been known to 'pause and resume due to weather or technical issues', not sure if that's the same thing or not.

But I can say with about 99.99% certainty, this match is getting replayed in full starting at 0-0 and with 11 men v 11.

[XLM]

32 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

I asked the AI (Copilot) a few more questions and established that apparently, no game in any professional football league anywhere in the world has ever resumed a game from the score and minute it was abandoned, as far as the AI can find. Some amateur levels have experimented with it (seems mad that semi-pro and amateur levels can be more sensible about this shit IMO) and American Football and Basketball have been known to 'pause and resume due to weather or technical issues', not sure if that's the same thing or not.

But I can say with about 99.99% certainty, this match is getting replayed in full starting at 0-0 and with 11 men v 11.

In the US, well the NFL at least, they tend to finish the game as soon as the conditions improve. With a sparse or nonexistent crowd. It happens a fair bit with thunder storms. No idea if the pitch would have got any better as the rain eased, but that would have been the sensible choice if it had.

Barring the obvious of just getting on with the last 10 mins anyway. Playing the last 10th of the game in suboptimal conditions is obviously a fairer conclusion than starting from scratch. But either way, I'll be shocked if that isn't the outcome.

Probably just have to go out and beat them again.

[Hasta]

2 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I asked the AI (Copilot) a few more questions and established that apparently, no game in any professional football league anywhere in the world has ever resumed a game from the score and minute it was abandoned, as far as the AI can find. Some amateur levels have experimented with it (seems mad that semi-pro and amateur levels can be more sensible about this shit IMO) and American Football and Basketball have been known to 'pause and resume due to weather or technical issues', not sure if that's the same thing or not.

But I can say with about 99.99% certainty, this match is getting replayed in full starting at 0-0 and with 11 men v 11.

There’s definitely been a few in Spain. Generally they have been for crowd issues (illness,  trouble) rather than weather.

But you are right.  No way this isn’t getting replayed in full.

[USABlue]

17 hours ago, rigger said:

The problem can be  rectified, the question is will the problem be rectified ?

Highly unlikely in fact no it won't not with Venkies money anyway.

[USABlue]

17 hours ago, B16Rover said:

Let's lighten the mood.  Who can complete the 'match abandoned' 11? 

 

Jordan Pitchflood in goal 

Danny Hose left back 

 

John Canoe up front 

Clint Dampsey playing just behind 

Riverdo bringing Brazilian flair 

Pitch flooded cos we Can't well the excess water

[USABlue]

11 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

So theoretically - other than the fact it hasnt been done before - there'd be nothing preventing the EFL saying that the last 10 mins plus ET should be played 11 v 10.

It won't happen but it does specifically provide for it in the rules "may be ordered to be replayed in full or in part".

Wonder if faced with the prospect of having to pay for Ipswich to come up and maybe stay somewhere overnight Pasha would rather concede the 3 points?

I wiuld be fine with finishing the match, last 10 mins + stoppage 11 vs 10.  Seens a kit if trouble fir 10 mins if fiity but seems the fairest solution.

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Im assuming fake news.

No very true 

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/25483405.recap-major-incident-declared-darwen-sinkhole/?callback=in&code=ZJZLMDVJYTKTYZQXZI0ZNZI5LTHMNTQTNMVKZTBHMDJJMWMW&state=45c82065339a4ab59e8173eee0573d93

 

[yankfan]

4 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Well lads, I think we can give up on the prospect of getting to finish this game, or being awarded the points. I asked AI to give me some precedents from the last 10 years, and I'd say we've no fucking chance. Apologies if these have been mentioned already (or if any are wrong due to AI innacuracy):

1. Blackpool vs Huddersfield Town (May 2015)

• Abandonment Time: 48th minute

• Reason: Fan protest—Blackpool supporters invaded the pitch.

• Score at Abandonment: 0–0

• Decision: The Football League declared the match a 0–0 draw, as it had no bearing on promotion or relegation.

 

2. Charlton Athletic vs Doncaster Rovers (April 2023)

• Abandonment Time: 85th minute

• Reason: Medical emergency in the crowd.

• Score at Abandonment: 1–1

• Decision: The match was replayed in full, despite being nearly complete. The EFL cited fairness and competition integrity.

 

3. Leyton Orient vs Hartlepool United (March 2021)

• Abandonment Time: 87th minute

• Reason: Floodlight failure.

• Score at Abandonment: 2–0 to Leyton Orient

• Decision: The match was replayed in full, even though Orient were winning and the game was nearly over.

 

4. Coventry City vs Rotherham United (February 2017)

• Abandonment Time: 85th minute

• Reason: Waterlogged pitch.

• Score at Abandonment: 1–0 to Coventry

• Decision: The match was replayed in full, despite the late stage and clear lead.

 

So one game where the result stood, but only because it would definitely have zero impact on relegation or promotion. The other three all replayed in full, including a ridiculous situation where the game was abandoned in the 87th minute with Orient 2 nil up! That one seems to solidify we have no chance (with the slight caveat that the game was abandoned due to floodlight failure which, unless there was a blackout, would probably have distinctly been Orient's fault...but equally the EFL could ask us to prove we've done everything we can to improve our systems to prevent this flooding).

The 4th game there is the most similar to ours, except that Rotherham didn't have 10 men, but Coventry were 5 minutes closer to victory. We're screwed.

The second game was a playoff match btw, and with the score being level seems fair enough to me it was replayed.

For what it's worth, Coventry and Leyton Orient both won their replays 5-0. So they actually ended up with more dominant wins. Knowing our luck, and with Ipswich being preseason favourites to win the league, I doubt it will go that way for us. And it's still another game we shouldn't have to play with our thin squad.

We will certainly lose the rescheduled fixture. Best argument is that there’s a return fixture still to be played so play 10 min. Then start the match but it’ll never go that way. 

[Ossydave]

It's 100% gonna be replayed in full, sorry to upset anyone clinging onto the idea of a 10 minute game 11 v 10.

The biggest complication really is the red card. Suppose you could in theory make Greaves leave the field at the same time again but very hard to imagine that happening.

If you're the EFL you're not gonna be very sympathetic. "Ah tinpot Rovers again blaming that pesky river for a postponement lol, full replay it is". 

Then leaves potential ramifications further down the line. If they won the replayed game and pipped someone to automatic promotion by a point thats not gonna really sit well with the team missing out. I'd like to think we're not embroiled in a close relegation battle come the end of the season but can't rule it out either.

[Cuppliance]

I noticed that the dingles were at home with the same kick off time as us on Saturday. They are only 14 miles away and managed to keep the pitch in a playable condition. Was it particularly worse in our section of Lancashire or do we think it was consistent throughout and our draining system isn't good enough?

[NeilInBristol]

9 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Im assuming fake news.

Haha you know what they say about assumptions 😜

 

it was on the BBC radio after the Arsenal city game 

[NeilInBristol]

6 hours ago, XLM said:

Barring the obvious of just getting on with the last 10 mins anyway. Playing the last 10th of the game in suboptimal conditions is obviously a fairer conclusion than starting from scratch. But either way, I'll be shocked if that isn't the outcome.

Probably just have to go out and beat them again.

Yeh we were beating them 1-0 for 80mins and close to winning, no reason why we shouldn’t be able to do that again, right??

Edited 2 hours ago by NeilInBristol
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[Tomphil2]

Comparing Ewood to other clubs is a bit wide of the mark as i can't think of another right next to a river and draining into it.

And as much as they sit and do nothing waiting for the council it is a club issue and up to them to sort or this will keep happening. They'll end up calling games off 'just in case' .

As for the what happens now the only sensible thing is the game and result stands but when has football operated sensibly unless it's giving a big 6 club something ?

[Cuppliance]

These days we have much more stats and Ai to predict outcomes. Maybe they could lean into that this time?

[MarkBRFC]

7 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I asked the AI (Copilot) a few more questions and established that apparently, no game in any professional football league anywhere in the world has ever resumed a game from the score and minute it was abandoned, as far as the AI can find.

Untrue, and is a danger of taking AI as gospel as it's not always correct.

Here is one example - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/dec/13/newsstory.sport4

[KentExile]

8 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I asked the AI (Copilot) a few more questions and established that apparently, no game in any professional football league anywhere in the world has ever resumed a game from the score and minute it was abandoned, as far as the AI can find. Some amateur levels have experimented with it (seems mad that semi-pro and amateur levels can be more sensible about this shit IMO) and American Football and Basketball have been known to 'pause and resume due to weather or technical issues', not sure if that's the same thing or not.

But I can say with about 99.99% certainty, this match is getting replayed in full starting at 0-0 and with 11 men v 11.

 

8 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Untrue, and is a danger of taking AI as gospel as it's not always correct.

Here is one example - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/dec/13/newsstory.sport4

Fair comment Mark, AI is a long way from infallible, to say the least.

Which is why it is important that  when we do "ask AI", we state that is what we have done, which is in fairness to Bruce, what he did also.

I have no issue with statements like that which are prefixed with "I asked AI" or similar, as they can (and should be) be fact checked when needed

Edited 2 hours ago by KentExile