v Queens Park Rangers (h) - 26/11/25, 19:45 k/o

[arbitro]

1 minute ago, Tomphil2 said:

I think my points about it adding to the problems instead of fighting against them and playing into the hands of the excuse makes and cost cutters are very valid ones.

I know i'm not alone on that outside the confines of this board but yes we know the root cause and they are reaping what they've sown.

They'll never own up to it though it just provides more ammunition to blame the lack of crowds for further managed decline.

And therein lies the problem. Nobody cares down there about dwindling attendances or more importantly the reasons for them. They are tone deaf and are content to keep their heads in the sand and ignore the real issues as long as they keep their cushy number and inflated salaries.

There are many reasons for our vanishing supporter base and the vast, vast majority can be laid at the door of the club, the way it's run from top to bottom.

With another two midweek home games coming up I feel this whole debate will be regurgitated again when a few thousand are rattling around Ewood.

 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I got a text from my grandson earlier, I hadn’t realised he’d gone over from Liverpool. He said the best thing about the game was the pie he had.

Edited 1 hour ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

54 minutes ago, KidderStreetNoise said:

Probably by dropping the prices significantly

There are people who wouldn’t go if it was free as long as the Chicken Chokers are our owners.

[RevidgeBlue]

6 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

£18.75 v Derby and about 18750 home fans turn up, live tv stupid early kick off, added appeal of trying to put one over former manager.

Weds night, no tv, on back of beating local gobshites and probably a seasons best performance, so called winnable game and thousands of tickets available at £17 on one stand, CHEAPER than the Derby game.

About 8.5k actually turn up.

Make it make sense please, somebody.

As someone who is normally one of the best posters on the Forum, I think you're way off the mark blaming the fans in any way, shape or form.

This season is it one win, one draw and six defeats at home in the League plus a defeat at home in the League Cup this season? (The latter of which we were told doesn't count)

I actually feel desperately sorry for anyone who's forked out good money for a season ticket this season. Where's the attraction in trailing down to Ewood every game to see us get beaten?

The players need to give the fans something, anything, to latch on to. But they're not doing. To rub salt in the wound, this fraud of a Head Coach who has been complicit in the destruction of the squad and Miller (who imo is playing several levels above his actual ability) have had the gall to infer its the atmosphere in the stadium which is to blame.

Finally, if you can't see the reason why more people turned up for a one off game to celebrate our 150th anniversary on a Saturday (against a former manager a few could cast as the pantomime villain) than for a midweek night fixture on the red button at the end of November I despair.

As a side issue, was the £17 offer in the Riversjde even publicised? Im on this site every day and wasn't aware of it.

[47er]

2 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

They aren't bad they are being pushed towards the door for more cost cutting whilst De Neve is the number 1 back up option.

It's called downgrading.

No, it is downgrading ---but its called rebuilding.

[RoversTilliDie]

Some of our players, should have been wearing Q.P.R. shirts last night, they passed it to them, and gave the ball away to them for ninety minutes. After last night's performance, Sheffield Wednesday will fancy their chances at Ewood.

[simongarnerisgod]

75% of rovers fans 

[rigger]

8 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

As someone who is normally one of the best posters on the Forum, I think you're way off the mark blaming the fans in any way, shape or form.

This season is it one win, one draw and six defeats at home in the League plus a defeat at home in the League Cup this season? (The latter of which we were told doesn't count)

I actually feel desperately sorry for anyone who's forked out good money for a season ticket this season. Where's the attraction in trailing down to Ewood every game to see us get beaten?

The players need to give the fans something, anything, to latch on to. But they're not doing. To rub salt in the wound, this fraud of a Head Coach who has been complicit in the destruction of the squad and Miller (who imo is playing several levels above his actual ability) have had the gall to infer its the atmosphere in the stadium which is to blame.

Finally, if you can't see the reason why more people turned up for a one off game to celebrate our 150th anniversary on a Saturday (against a former manager a few could cast as the pantomime villain) than for a midweek night fixture on the red button at the end of November I despair.

As a side issue, was the £17 offer in the Riversjde even publicised? Im on this site every day and wasn't aware of it.

I don't feel sorry in the slightest for people who bought season tickets. They knew what to expect with the current people running the club, and yet they still made the decision to buy the season tickets.

[RoversTilliDie]

7 minutes ago, 47er said:

No, it is downgrading ---but its called rebuilding.

Were doomed pathetic performance, Most of the games lost at home, have been to clubs lower than us, and lingering near us.

[KidderStreetNoise]

15 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I got a text from my grandson earlier, I hadn’t realised he’d gone over from Liverpool. He said the best thing about the game was the pie he had.

And they're provided by a third party

[Tomphil2]

6 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

As someone who is normally one of the best posters on the Forum, I think you're way off the mark blaming the fans in any way, shape or form.

This season is it one win, one draw and six defeats at home in the League plus a defeat at home in the League Cup this season? (The latter of which we were told doesn't count)

I actually feel desperately sorry for anyone who's forked out good money for a season ticket this season. Where's the attraction in trailing down to Ewood every game to see us get beaten?

The players need to give the fans something, anything, to latch on to. But they're not doing. To rub salt in the wound, this fraud of a Head Coach who has been complicit in the destruction of the squad and Miller (who imo is playing several levels above his actual ability) have had the gall to infer its the atmosphere in the stadium which is to blame.

Finally, if you can't see the reason why more people turned up for a one off game to celebrate our 150th anniversary on a Saturday (against a former manager a few could cast as the pantomime villain) than for a midweek night fixture on the red button at the end of November I despair.

As a side issue, was the £17 offer in the Riversjde even publicised? Im on this site every day and wasn't aware of it.

Was never expecting a good crowd but on the back of Friday i was expecting a few more of the loyal hardcore to be in there and a bit more of a positive atmosphere.

A bit more of a normal feel to it is the best way to describe it but looking around and the vibe you'd have thought we'd just been hammered off Burnley again.

That doesn't help the players and if you with all your Rovers experience can't see that then i'm surprised.

As iv'e pointed out repeatedly my main concern is it gives those implementing the managed decline more ammunition and gives the coach ready made excuses.

For the record non of that washes with me it doesn't matter if no one is there the players are paid to put a shift in and the Head Coach is paid for selection, tactics and use of subs.

All poor yet again last night and naff all to do with the crowd or lack of it but if we as fans want intensity on the pitch we have to do our bit as well and howl them into it.

That isn't happening either.

 

[RoversTilliDie]

3 minutes ago, rigger said:

I don't feel sorry in the slightest for people who bought season tickets. They knew what to expect with the current people running the club, and yet they still made the decision to buy the season tickets.

So if nobody turns up, we could sell all the tickets, to the away supporters, and they could take over the ground. Good logic Einstein. I take it you watched the game on television, in the comfort of your armchair.

Edited 1 hour ago by RoversTilliDie

[Tomphil2]

18 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I got a text from my grandson earlier, I hadn’t realised he’d gone over from Liverpool. He said the best thing about the game was the pie he had.

The heat from the pies is the best bit of the evening.

[DE.]

Is the suggestion that in previous seasons the home atmosphere has been so electric that it's been the reason why our home record has generally been decent? That this season is so much worse in terms of atmosphere that it's having a negative impact on performance?

Feels like a stretch. Most likely it's just that we have players better suited to counter attacking football, who are not talented enough to adapt to teams sitting back and playing on the break themselves because they are mostly cheap imports. 

[RoversTilliDie]

16 minutes ago, 47er said:

No, it is downgrading ---but its called rebuilding.

It's called downgrading to league 1.

[rigger]

2 minutes ago, RoversTilliDie said:

So if nobody turns up, we could sell all the tickets, to the away supporters, and they could take over the ground. Good logic Einstein. I take it you watched the game on television, in the comfort of your armchair.

No, I have lost almost all interest. I have gone from being a season ticket holder who went to most away games. To attending the occasional home game, mainly for the social life before and after the game.

[Uddersfelt Blue]

4 minutes ago, rigger said:

I don't feel sorry in the slightest for people who bought season tickets. They knew what to expect with the current people running the club, and yet they still made the decision to buy the season tickets.

I really don’t care what anyone thinks about people who bought season tickets. I certainly don’t want anyone feeling sorry for me. I’m a grown up and make my own decisions what to spend my money on.

As for attending games, yes it can be a chore (me and my son got home around midnight due to the M62 being closed) but I do it because I enjoy watching football and supporting Rovers. 

It’s a pity that Venkys and their management can’t realise that filling the squad with below average players and playing them in preference to the likes of experienced players e.g. Ribeiro and Pickering will only end one way. 

[arbitro]

I can't believe how naive De Neve was for the QPR goal. He was nowhere near Smith (who is about 5'6") and allowed him a free header. Miller was poor too in this but De Neve's error was schoolboy at best.

Basic stuff as he showed a real lack of awareness.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

22 minutes ago, rigger said:

I don't feel sorry in the slightest for people who bought season tickets. They knew what to expect with the current people running the club, and yet they still made the decision to buy the season tickets.

I think that's harsh. I would never criticise anyone for exercising their freedom of choice and continuing to support the Club that was around for 135 years before Venky's and their assorted stooges turned up.

Whatever happens, it's not their fault. They deserve much much better.

[cesus]

22 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Was never expecting a good crowd but on the back of Friday i was expecting a few more of the loyal hardcore to be in there and a bit more of a positive atmosphere.

A bit more of a normal feel to it is the best way to describe it but looking around and the vibe you'd have thought we'd just been hammered off Burnley again.

That doesn't help the players and if you with all your Rovers experience can't see that then i'm surprised.

As iv'e pointed out repeatedly my main concern is it gives those implementing the managed decline more ammunition and gives the coach ready made excuses.

For the record non of that washes with me it doesn't matter if no one is there the players are paid to put a shift in and the Head Coach is paid for selection, tactics and use of subs.

All poor yet again last night and naff all to do with the crowd or lack of it but if we as fans want intensity on the pitch we have to do our bit as well and howl them into it.

That isn't happening either.

 

I cannot talk for the rest of the fan base, but I cannot emphasise enough my personal horror at losing Tronstad before the game. Added to Wharton, Carter, Cantwell and Toth all of whom make up the starting 11 left me completely deflated even before a ball was kicked, I admit it.

Then the game kicked off and nothing I witnessed cheered me up in the slightest, intact it made me realise how grim things are going to be.

[rovers11]

1 hour ago, Tomphil2 said:

As iv'e said silent protests are pointless and just damage the club further there is nothing impressive about it and the victim mentality is nauseating now.

I've long called for a single match protest to drive the message home this is what will happen if you don't start running the place properly.

That never happens though it's just the slow demise that now provides excuses for manager and players as we are now seeing. And it provides more excuses for the cost cutters.

They long gave up and trying to build this club up it's so much easier to go through a period of managed decline and end up in a situation that is cheap to run and requires easy low funding.

That's where we are heading on all fronts and the only thing fans can do is either boycott properly to try and force a regime change or continue turning up in the usual numbers and try and help the team stay in this division.

That isn't happening now.

Respectfully disagree again. Empty stadiums and silent protests are absolutely the way forward when you have foreign owners. Venky's don't care if people have banners in the ground or protests marches outside, they're in their ivory towers in India - and the club just dismiss it as the minority anyway. However, they can't dismiss an empty stadium and dwindling match day income as just a minority. That hits Venky's in the pocket (with no assets left to sell to cover those losses), which is the only thing they care about. 

Venky's want the club to be self-sufficient and that's why we get rid of our high earners and buy 'assets' that can be sold for a profit (although they'll be in for a surprise if they think they can make a profit on the players signed in the summer).

[wilsdenrover]

8 minutes ago, arbitro said:

I can't believe how naive De Neve was for the QPR goal. He was nowhere near Smith (who is about 5'6") and allowed him a free header. Miller was poor too in this but De Neve's error was schoolboy at best.

Basic stuff as he showed a real lack of awareness.

 

Zombies always struggle with this.

[lraC]

35 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Was never expecting a good crowd but on the back of Friday i was expecting a few more of the loyal hardcore to be in there and a bit more of a positive atmosphere.

A bit more of a normal feel to it is the best way to describe it but looking around and the vibe you'd have thought we'd just been hammered off Burnley again.

That doesn't help the players and if you with all your Rovers experience can't see that then i'm surprised.

As iv'e pointed out repeatedly my main concern is it gives those implementing the managed decline more ammunition and gives the coach ready made excuses.

For the record non of that washes with me it doesn't matter if no one is there the players are paid to put a shift in and the Head Coach is paid for selection, tactics and use of subs.

All poor yet again last night and naff all to do with the crowd or lack of it but if we as fans want intensity on the pitch we have to do our bit as well and howl them into it.

That isn't happening either.

 

I noticed the Liverpool fans were howling last night, at a packed Angield. 

[jim mk2]

5 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

 However, they can't dismiss an empty stadium and dwindling match day income as just a minority. 

Why should an empty stadium bother them, or for the matter declining income? Their solution as always is to sell another asset. The fans mean nothing to the owners - as we know. 

[RevidgeBlue]

34 minutes ago, DE. said:

Is the suggestion that in previous seasons the home atmosphere has been so electric that it's been the reason why our home record has generally been decent? That this season is so much worse in terms of atmosphere that it's having a negative impact on performance?

Feels like a stretch. Most likely it's just that we have players better suited to counter attacking football, who are not talented enough to adapt to teams sitting back and playing on the break themselves because they are mostly cheap imports. 

Nail, hammer, head.