v Ipswich Town (a) - 17/1/26

[Hasta]

Just now, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

But if he gives penalty, that player is potentially sent off (not certain of where league are with double jeopardy these days).

I think you totally miss my point though - just saying as crap as we were we could have got a result (no matter deserved or not). My point was mainly how crap the Championship is that Ipswich are in the top 6.

They looked a league above us. We know it’s because we are poor, but had it not been for Toth they could have scored 5 and that’s without seemingly getting out of first gear. I’m not sure how you can watch that and think Ipswich don’t deserve to be in the top 6. The only danger to them was Waltons kicking.

[Penwortham Blue]

3 minutes ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

But if he gives penalty, that player is potentially sent off (not certain of where league are with double jeopardy these days).

I think you totally miss my point though - just saying as crap as we were we could have got a result (no matter deserved or not). My point was mainly how crap the Championship is that Ipswich are in the top 6.

We are absolutely awful, poor beyond words. I take your point though, not a decent team in this league, including Coventry and Ipswich.

[M_B]

21 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We wouldnt have got a result with alternative decisions. If you finish a game with 0 shots on target then its just deflection to suggest that a potential penalty at 2 nil down was a major decision.

Strange how Ismael didnt mention the more blatant stonewall penalty and probable red card with Cashin.

As has been said more than once, the other "penalty " doesn't happen if he does his job properly and gives Rovers the penalty and sends Bartlett off for not attempting to play the ball. 

Of course it was a major decision, it doesn't excuse the rest of the dross but it was. 

[Hasta]

8 minutes ago, M_B said:

It was a penalty and a red card, if it went to var, that would be the outcome. 

DENYING A GOAL OR AN OBVIOUS GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY (DOGSO)

Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball or a challenge for the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.), the offending player must be sent off.

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

 

edit - note the incident I was talking about which you quoted was the Cashin incident.  The one on Ohashi is a red.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Hasta

[RoversTilliDie]

31 minutes ago, Eternal Optimist said:

Would we have got a result?? Despite the extremely poor ref we didn’t muster a shot on target. Can’t blame the ref for that. Fact is Ismail needs to go, no clue, tactics are utter w**k and he can’t keep blaming the refs 

I agree, while Ismael remains in the dugout, we're heading for league 1, his tactics are the worst in the championship.

[M_B]

2 minutes ago, Hasta said:

DENYING A GOAL OR AN OBVIOUS GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY (DOGSO)

Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball or a challenge for the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.), the offending player must be sent off.

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

 

Thanks for the confirmation, he didn't play for the ball, he should have gone. 

[aletheia]

Have we had enough time to make a judgement on whether the summer transfer dealings/clearout have improved the team?

[Hasta]

Just now, M_B said:

Thanks for the confirmation, he didn't play for the ball, he should have gone. 

So Cashin wasn’t attempting to play the ball ?

I think you’ve misunderstood this when you first quoted me and you think I’m talking about the Ohashi incident

 

[M_B]

Just now, Hasta said:

So Cashin wasn’t attempting to play the ball ?

I think you’ve misunderstood this when you first quoted me and you think I’m talking about the Ohashi incident

 

I did, no problem 👍

[BankEnd Rover]

13 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Obviously a lot of poor performances today. As well as Cashin, I thought The Moose was particularly dreadful today. 

He's half decent driving forward and does pick a good pass but he's far too laid back for my liking, needs to get more involved and put himself about if he wants to last. 

[Paul Mellelieu]

Lazy and laid back......far too much of that language for my liking.

[Eternal Optimist]

Our best attacking player today was Atcheson he played a couple of lovely forward passes and to say he was our most effective player from centre half is depressing

Saying that it was good to see Jorgensen driving at players although he was obviously starved of any other quality service 

[roversfan99]

14 minutes ago, M_B said:

As has been said more than once, the other "penalty " doesn't happen if he does his job properly and gives Rovers the penalty and sends Bartlett off for not attempting to play the ball. 

Of course it was a major decision, it doesn't excuse the rest of the dross but it was. 

Managers do this, Ismael is particularly fond of it, but its a totally skewed analysis of the game to put so much focus on that decision.

We were absolutely shocking throughout. Putting so much emphasis on that decision at 2 nil takes focus away from that.

I know as a fan, my annoyance lies predominantly at what we could control today, not refereeing decisions.

[RoversTilliDie]

12 minutes ago, RoversTilliDie said:

I agree, while Ismael remains in the dugout, we're heading for league 1, his tactics are the worst in the championship.

I was talking to somebody last Tuesday, about United sacking their useless manager, i said theyd improve with Carrick in the dugout, low and behold they beat cty 2-0. If somebody at Ewood Park has a braincell, they'd  sack Ismael.

4 hours ago, allanncd said:

Absolutely fuming that Cantwell's corner and free kicks consistently never even land in the penalty area. That's ridiculous incompetence from any player 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I’m still shaking my head over the first goal. Classic case of a left footed player trying to clear the ball with his right foot. Not knowing what was going on behind him ( Nothing in this case ) etc.

It sounds like heads went down after that. I said I’d back Ismael as long as the players were giving 100%. It appears today that not all of them were. I’ll give him Swansea away but if there isn’t a massive improvement in performance and attitude I’ll be giving him the black spot.

Who takes over after that will still have an injury list as long as my arm but something will need to change.

Edited 2 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[M_B]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Managers do this, Ismael is particularly fond of it, but its a totally skewed analysis of the game to put so much focus on that decision.

We were absolutely shocking throughout. Putting so much emphasis on that decision at 2 nil takes focus away from that.

I know as a fan, my annoyance lies predominantly at what we could control today, not refereeing decisions.

There's so much focus on it because we played so badly, and because it was our only chance, if we were murdering them 4 0 it would hardly get a mention.

But teams get results when they don't play well, that's football. 

 

[dallydally]

We are crap. End of...

[AvRover]

Today may well be the tipping point where we realise we are going down.

[Uddersfelt Blue]

5 minutes ago, AvRover said:

Today may well be the tipping point where we realise we are going down.

I don’t believe many Rovers fans expected anything other than a defeat today considering the players available and Ipswich’s current form.

However, the performance underlined that without winning our more winnable games (rapidly running out) we are going to struggle to reach the magical 50 points or so.

Personally I would have shut up shop by playing a 451 formation with players doing nothing other than spoiling the game. Cantwell and Baradji didn’t really fit that tactic. 
 

 

[M_B]

12 minutes ago, AvRover said:

Today may well be the tipping point where we realise we are going down.

I don't feel like that to be honest,too many out for me to make that call. 

[cesus]

The manager is just another name in an ever growing list of "if he was at a normal club would he still have a job". We are struggling with numbers but this guy isn’t helping things either!

[yankfan]

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Didnt look like a pretty passer to me.

Passed that one into the top corner nicely 

[47er]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Managers do this, Ismael is particularly fond of it, but its a totally skewed analysis of the game to put so much focus on that decision.

We were absolutely shocking throughout. Putting so much emphasis on that decision at 2 nil takes focus away from that.

I know as a fan, my annoyance lies predominantly at what we could control today, not refereeing decisions.

Always a bad sign when a manager keeps putting the emphasis bad refereeing decisions. Ismael does it every week.

Pure deflection. As if we've won that game otherwise. We're is serious trouble.

[Waggy76]

55 minutes ago, cesus said:

The manager is just another name in an ever growing list of "if he was at a normal club would he still have a job". We are struggling with numbers but this guy isn’t helping things either!

'If it was a normal club '  he wouldn't have made the final interview stage !