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1 hour ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

I wouldn't worry about next year's STs.

Waggott won't be... and clubs offering discounts next season are likely misleading their fans to take a credit note to preserve cash.

I can't see there being a Championship season in 20/21. No club could survive a full season BCD and the TV money is next to nothing.

We are only finishing this season as a one off to tie up contractual loose ends.

The PL will be the nation's TV entertainment, all played BCD. No football below the PL and none in Scotland.

Only way we play next season is if we are promoted this summer.

Championship football next season is simply not economically viable.

I doubt if any Club at Championship or lower tier can survive in present form after a full season with no games, no income.

It would be attritional.

Something quite drastic has to be done it what will be a survival of the fittest dogfight.

FFP is obsolete. If owners have the money allow them to pump as much in as they want.

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6 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

 

FFP is obsolete. If owners have the money allow them to pump as much in as they want.

Premier League here we come then! Because as we know it’s only FFP stopping our owners bankrolling us to the top! 🎉

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Having Championship football on Sky is almost like an add on the the PL deal in my view. Last time I saw the viewing figures for Championship games they paled into absolute insignificance against the PL figures. I remember the ITV Digital farce when they won a contract to show football league matches for three years. The uptake was so small that they went bust within a few months leaving clubs high and dry. The conclusion I draw is that in itself Championship football would not again be a stand alone deal for any tv company.

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4 hours ago, JoeH said:

Something along the lines of the Championship clubs no longer remaining as members of the EFL. I'm not saying that will happen this year but there's a chance it happens one day in the next decade. I can see the CH sides being open to joining a proper Premier League 2, and abandoning the EFL set up. Pretty much every single club out of the 72 has had some kind of run in with the EFL, the leadership and management is extremely poor, the prize monies aren't lucrative enough, the financial restrictions are too tight on teams in our league who want to bring in big name players.

 

4 hours ago, JoeH said:

"The EFL have stuck their necks out in signing this deal.

This morning, I was told 21 out of the 24 Championship clubs wanted the EFL to ask Sky for more time, or even negotiate a shorter contract, to allow some of the issues - amount of money being paid, the number of times clubs are on TV, the mass streaming of midweek games - to be sorted out.

Should this deal go through against their wishes, I was told by one senior club executive that the "EFL should not be patting themselves on the back thinking they have won and they should not see this as being done, because in fact, they have just started a war".

Now the Championship clubs must decide whether there is any substance behind their rhetoric, whether they are willing to do anything to back up their claims of incompetence.

A meeting is due to take place on Tuesday. The outcome will be very interesting indeed."

From that article. In 2024, the TV prize money currently on offer just isn't going to be anywhere near sufficient. At some point between now and 2024 there will be some major MAJOR happenings in the boardrooms of football clubs, leagues and the FA. It's all going to change IMO.

I just don't see the EFL viewing figures being enough to warrant a better deals in terms of money from TV companies. 

Could the EFL have its own tv channel in the future tho I'm not sure how cost affective that would be realistically? Plus would fans buy? What happens with the TV highlights with Quest which does attract fans to watch it?  Would the EFL want the running cost of running their own tv channel? 

from my own point of view, I think Sky coverage of the EFL is good and cover the leagues in detail. 

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To be honest, Skys coverage of the EFL is rather standard/average. Heavily focused on the bigger clubs especially Leeds and also 95% focused on the Championship. Ultimately that is demand driven I suspect but I can still understand other teams kicking off regarding that. Coverage usually starts soon before kick off and analysis is minimal, always playing second fiddle to the Premier League but again, it is the second (and occasionally third/fourth) division so suppose again that is demand driven. The actual brief punditry like with football on Sky is standard with good pundits and some not so good pundits just like other networks ie BT, I think it is quite difficult to mess something like that up as people watch for the match itself.

Not surprised to see clubs kicking off about red button which as much as it benefits me occasionally has to be scrapped for the sake of football clubs. That and the split of teams coverage as I mentioned. 

I am not sure how much demand there is for Championship clubs on TV because it is a good to watch league but sometimes at the absence of quality. Something will have to give at some point somewhere because having so many clubs losing money as they are is not sustainable.

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Anybody else anticipating an ifollow debacle on Saturday? (Obviously wouldn’t just be a Rovers issue).

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6 hours ago, toooldforthis said:

Has anybody actually written to the club requesting/demanding a pro-rata ST refund?  If so, what was the written response?

I asked ' How do I claim a refund for my ST and car park pass'

Waiting for a reply from the ticket office

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I find all this astonishing, and quite depressing really.

Rovers are my 2nd team ( but the only one I have had a season ticket with since 1972).

My first team are The Pars. They have had their season finished early. Although the club made an offer to the fans, so far not one fan has asked for it back.

In fact they have been actively raising money to keep the club alive.

I just can't get my head around all this.

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11 minutes ago, sabino said:

I find all this astonishing, and quite depressing really.

Rovers are my 2nd team ( but the only one I have had a season ticket with since 1972).

My first team are The Pars. They have had their season finished early. Although the club made an offer to the fans, so far not one fan has asked for it back.

In fact they have been actively raising money to keep the club alive.

I just can't get my head around all this.

I work with a Pars fan, a superb club. I also see Hearts are now suing the SPFL for what they describe as unfair treatment - I know a good few Hearts fans who think they should just get on with things and try and smash the championship next season. 

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1 hour ago, sabino said:

I find all this astonishing, and quite depressing really.

Rovers are my 2nd team ( but the only one I have had a season ticket with since 1972).

My first team are The Pars. They have had their season finished early. Although the club made an offer to the fans, so far not one fan has asked for it back.

In fact they have been actively raising money to keep the club alive.

I just can't get my head around all this.

And therein lies the difference. Rovers are simply not offering a refund or any other option but instead trying to make fans feel bad about asking for one. And there wasn't any other options.

I can speak for several people I have had contact with In the last few days who to a man said that Rovers could have kept their money before that communication last Thursday. For us it's absolutely not about the money.

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34 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

So we can only watch on either laptop or Pc or phone or tablet..chrome casting to TV will be blocked..best option high powered PC using your TV as a monitor....

 but WTF is the refund or discount or even roversstore voucher for us season ticket holders ??? Poor from Waggott etc

 

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A second update and still no refund option

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9 minutes ago, Athlete said:

So we can only watch on either laptop or Pc or phone or tablet..chrome casting to TV will be blocked..best option high powered PC using your TV as a monitor....

 but WTF is the refund or discount or even roversstore voucher for us season ticket holders ??? Poor from Waggott etc

 

Where have you seen that about casting being blocked? I can’t see that anywhere....

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8 minutes ago, Tom said:

A second update and still no refund option

There is not going to be a refund. Get over it.

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2 minutes ago, rigger said:

There is not going to be a refund. Get over it.

They will get over it, then simply not renew... like you are planning not to.

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29 minutes ago, rigger said:

There is not going to be a refund. Get over it.

I’ve nothing to get over, just think it’s poor to not at least address it properly 

K-Hod - I don’t think you can cast I follow, I’ll probably use my code on the MacBook  then hopefully use over Apple TV if it’s an option but not expecting to be able to 

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3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Anybody else anticipating an ifollow debacle on Saturday? (Obviously wouldn’t just be a Rovers issue).

EFL servers will be overrun. Looking at over a 1000% increase in usage on their platform nationwide across all 72 clubs. Depends if they've prepared properly.

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38 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

 Where have you seen that about casting being blocked? I can’t see that anywhere....

Casting is blocked in general on iFollow, doesn't let you do it under normal circumstances as an offshore viewer on a Saturday or as a mainland UK viewer midweek. Haven't seen anything to suggest they'll be allowing it.

Can always HDMI into the TV

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47 minutes ago, Athlete said:

So we can only watch on either laptop or Pc or phone or tablet..chrome casting to TV will be blocked..best option high powered PC using your TV as a monitor....

You'll have to excuse my ignorance as I've rarely watched a stream on my laptop before, but wouldn't that make the picture worse?

My experience of watching the red button has been that the better quality HD your TV is the worse the stream looks!

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3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Anybody else anticipating an ifollow debacle on Saturday? (Obviously wouldn’t just be a Rovers issue).

I genuinely can't remember an iFollow broadcast which hasn't had some technical issue at some point.

I anticipate nothing but a mess.

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30 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Whingers of the world unite - you have nothing to lose but your season tickets.

I have a bit of sympathy for where you're coming from with that comment, but can you imagine ANY other business in this day and age going:

"We're going to be offering you an inferior product to the one which we agreed and advertised, we hope you'll just let it slide and not ask for a refund now or expect any sort of credit note in future.'

The customer is king and a refund should have been offered as part of a full range of options.

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It is only right that, in business, if somebody has pre-paid for a service and you are not able to fulfil your responsibility you offer the chance of a full refund or alternative. It wouldn't have meant diddly squat for the club in real terms.

I'd say out of the 8k (?) ticket holders it would only be a maximum of 5k who would apply for the refund. Some rough maths tells:

On an average ticket of £299 per season, spread over 23 games = £13 per game

4 home games left = £52

£52 for 5k supporters = £260,000.

Is £260,000 really that big of a figure that the club wouldn't at least risk the chance that people claim the refund?

Even if all 8k supporters claimed it is only a liability of £416,000. Again, in the grand scheme of football, is that figure substantial enough for Rovers to potentially turn away a few ST holders?

As the iFollow is a credible alternative given the current circumstances then the refund should have been calculated as the pro-ratad difference between iFollow subscription and a ST, even then only as an "option".

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1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I have a bit of sympathy for where you're coming from with that comment, but can you imagine ANY other business in this day and age going:

"We're going to be offering you an inferior product to the one which we agreed and advertised, we hope you'll just let it slide and not ask for a refund now or expect any sort of credit note in future.'

The customer is king and a refund should have been offered as part of a full range of options.

1. The bind of club with supporter goes beyond other businesses - supporters not customers

2. See future offers

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19 minutes ago, JoeH said:

EFL servers will be overrun. Looking at over a 1000% increase in usage on their platform nationwide across all 72 clubs. Depends if they've prepared properly.

Well with League One and Two not continuing that takes all their games out of the equation plus a lot of the Championship games are  staggered kick offs/days ..im presuming thats to maybe help with the  burden of iFollow maybe getting swamped.

Again only the Championship to worry about should really not be a problem ...he says!!

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