Mowbray’s Future

[Stuart]

Just now, Blue blood said:

Think how we'd feel if we were the ones already in the playoffs. Am sure most would be happy with it then.

Disagree. I'd be furious with 10 changes unless our squad was the Championship equivalent of Chelsea. The play-offs are about momentum.

[Stuart]

Just now, perthblue02 said:

If only we had a FA committee man on the Rovers board doing something in the best interests of the club like putting in a official complaint on this matter.

But then again we know how the FA ticks, if they did take action it would just be a fine to help fill the decanters for the next lunch jolly at FU HQ.

My own personal opinion is that resting 10 players and putting a side out who have averaged roughly 10 games each this season including the draw with Man City in the cup is done in the best interests of their club (an alien concept at Venky's + stakeholders Blackburn Rovers over the last few years). considering their forthcoming play off matches. A weighted gamble because any potential fine will be outweighed by play off money

 Huddersfield are not to blame for parachuting in another stakeholders pick as manager at Rovers at the beginning of the season, they are not to blame for Rovers under performing for three quarters of a season, they are not to blame for appointing a snakeoil salesman who chose not to  strengthen the Rovers squad in January. They are not to blame for spunking a three year contract on an Elvis impersonator bashing twitter porn star who has hardly played.They are not to blame for Rovers going into the final game of the season needing to win hoping other results go our way to avoid the drop

Good luck to Huddersfield in the play offs a well run club that hopefully the next owner of Rovers can look upon as an example at what can be done when you don't have idiots, crooks and chancers calling the shots.

Wow! Yes, we are where we are this season because of Venkys. But we are where we are today because of Redknapp tapping up another manager and, if quotes attributed to him in the press are accurate, 'encouraging him' to break the rules.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Very well done TM. Keep battling on. Suprised he has kept us in it this long.

It was always going to be very tight and we presumed we would need points at Brentford. No point in panicking, compared to Birmingham and Forest we were dead and buried.

Best of luck to the guy. I'd like us to stay up for him and our travelling fans. 

[perthblue02]

Just now, Stuart said:

Wow! Yes, we are where we are this season because of Venkys. But we are where we are today because of Redknapp tapping up another manager and, if quotes attributed to him in the press are accurate, 'encouraging him' to break the rules.

I would guess the changes were done in the interests of Huddersfield and not in the interests of big club, so doubt Humphrey cushions apparent words had any baring on the decision.

We are also still in with a shout because Villa were on the beach, Villa's effort yesterday reminded me of that world cup game that put England out years ago , was it Germany v Spain that ended 0-0 and they both qualified. Villa might as well of made ten changes as well do not think it would have made any difference, mind you knowing our luck their reserves would have had a blinder. BTW that is not taking anything away from Rovers effort yesterday, with a bit of luck could have have been 2 or 3-0

You could also point to most of the other clubs around us beat Huddersfield at some point , something which we failed to do. As far as I am aware they did not make that many changes to what could be considered their full strength team in those matches.

If we go down it is a result of the 46 game season , it is not the fault of one particular game not involving us. Everything crossed for next Sunday that it does not happen

Edited April 30, 2017 by perthblue02

[punerover]

My understanding of Huddersfield fielding a B team can only be because they deliberately want to avoid Fulham in the playoffs. For the life of me, I cannot think of any other reasonable reason.

Lose both times in the league by heavy margins 5-0 and 4-1.

Edited April 30, 2017 by punerover
insert a statistic

[Blue blood]

Just now, Stuart said:

Disagree. I'd be furious with 10 changes unless our squad was the Championship equivalent of Chelsea. The play-offs are about momentum.

Fair play, although lets say Bowyer did get into play offs, played a full strength team in a meaningless game and we lost Gestede and Rhodes to injury/suspension I'd imagine moat would be disappointed we hadn't rested players.

 

Mind you I will say if there is no weakened team/rested players next week that does look a little dodge.

But the principle of squad rotation in this situation is ok Imo. Likewise before a big cup game I can see why a manager would want to rest a few players.

[punerover]

Just now, Blue blood said:

Fair play, although lets say Bowyer did get into play offs, played a full strength team in a meaningless game and we lost Gestede and Rhodes to injury/suspension I'd imagine moat would be disappointed we hadn't rested players.

 

Mind you I will say if there is no weakened team/rested players next week that does look a little dodge.

But the principle of squad rotation in this situation is ok Imo. Likewise before a big cup game I can see why a manager would want to rest a few players.

There is a difference between resting "key" players and resting the "entire" squad. That is what seems dodgy to me.

[Mike E]

I've slept on it and still think Huddersfield were in the right. Even you consider the 'reasonable excuse' factor, they have the playoffs coming up and the team that played yesterday held Man City to a draw.

I don't feel we have much basis for complaint.

[AllRoverAsia]

32 minutes ago, arbitro said:

What really irks me about Huddersfields multi changed team is that they have another league game next weekend which will be quickly followed by their first leg play off. Surely they would have played a weakened team only days before that game to rest players. If they play another shadow team next weekend some of their regular first team players won't have played for two weeks.

I really hope it backfires on them and their Klopp wannabe manager.

Hudderfix play their last league match next weekend and then the play off leg 1 during weekend May 13 / 14 with 2nd leg mid following week. The Final is on 26 th May.

There was no reason at all to rest so many players yesterday. A complete lie.

They have a max of 4 games left in their season with long rest periods!!!!!

A match has just been fixed and lots even on here do not care.

Edited April 30, 2017 by AllRoverAsia

[perthblue02]

Match Stats from both games , which is which without checking ?

A

Possession

Home44%

Away56%

Shots

Home14

Away8

Shots on Target

Home4

Away2

Corners

Home7

Away1

Fouls

Home11

Away5

 

 

B

Possession

Home22%

Away78%

Shots

Home7

Away11

Shots on Target

Home4

Away3

Corners

Home1

Away5

Fouls

Home10

Away17

[Stuart]

Just now, Blue blood said:

Fair play, although lets say Bowyer did get into play offs, played a full strength team in a meaningless game and we lost Gestede and Rhodes to injury/suspension I'd imagine moat would be disappointed we hadn't rested players.

 

Mind you I will say if there is no weakened team/rested players next week that does look a little dodge.

But the principle of squad rotation in this situation is ok Imo. Likewise before a big cup game I can see why a manager would want to rest a few players.

Resting one or two? Yes, ok. Resting TEN?? No, that's throwing a game for one but it also loses something from your own form.

Like I've said, let's see if he rests them ALL for two consecutive weekends and then bounces straight back to form afterwards.

Nothing will convince me that Huddersfield haven't simply cheated Rovers and Forest yesterday.

[AllRoverAsia]

48 minutes ago, perthblue02 said:

If only we had a FA committee man on the Rovers board doing something in the best interests of the club like putting in a official complaint on this matter.

But then again we know how the FA ticks, if they did take action it would just be a fine to help fill the decanters for the next lunch jolly at FU HQ.

My own personal opinion is that resting 10 players and putting a side out who have averaged roughly 10 games each this season including the draw with Man City in the cup is done in the best interests of their club (an alien concept at Venky's + stakeholders Blackburn Rovers over the last few years). considering their forthcoming play off matches. A weighted gamble because any potential fine will be outweighed by play off money

 Huddersfield are not to blame for parachuting in another stakeholders pick as manager at Rovers at the beginning of the season, they are not to blame for Rovers under performing for three quarters of a season, they are not to blame for appointing a snakeoil salesman who chose not to  strengthen the Rovers squad in January. They are not to blame for spunking a three year contract on an Elvis impersonator bashing twitter porn star who has hardly played.They are not to blame for Rovers going into the final game of the season needing to win hoping other results go our way to avoid the drop

Good luck to Huddersfield in the play offs a well run club that hopefully the next owner of Rovers can look upon as an example at what can be done when you don't have idiots, crooks and chancers calling the shots.

I do not blame them for the ills at Rovers. 

I do point the finger for yesterdays debacle which may in itself relegate us.

Just ignore the rest of our s-hit and focus on what they did.

[Stuart]

Just now, Mike E said:

I've slept on it and still think Huddersfield were in the right. Even you consider the 'reasonable excuse' factor, they have the playoffs coming up and the team that played yesterday held Man City to a draw.

I don't feel we have much basis for complaint.

Couldn't disagree more.

Thats actually an incredible post 'having slept on it' and presumably digested all the facts - including the rule book.

[AllRoverAsia]

People actually think its ok to do this when breaking rules and against a relegation candidate. Unbelieveable.

Then try to justify it by using our @#/? as support? Again unbelieveable.

I repeat what happened is not resting or rotation or other such bullshit but a bang on  

 

[Waggy76]

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings...

[RV Blue]

Tinpot Huddersfield and that Klopp tribute act they have as manager can @#/? off. Fixed a game pure and simple. This will come back to bite them.

[JHRover]

The issue here isn't whether Huddersfield wanted to make 10 changes or whether we'd have done the same in their situation. Of course they've earned the right to do it by securing a top 6 position with 2 games to spare and if I were their manager I'd probably want to do something similar.

The question is does making 10 changes to a starting 11 that won at Wolves on Wednesday constitute a breach of Rule 24.1. 

If it does then they need to be punished.

If it doesn't then I'd love to know what does constitute a breach of that rule, because other than playing the Under 16s I'm not sure what more Huddersfield could have done to show they weren't fielding a 'full strength' team yesterday. 

Of course as ever it's deliberately worded in a vague manner by League so as to ensure that they can't be held or forced into action. So as ever nothing will get done. These are the people supposed to be policing the game and yet they'll look to wriggle out of doing anything.

[blueboy3333]

11 hours ago, JHRover said:

Section 5 Rule 24.1 of the 'EFL' rules:

24.1    Each Club shall play its full strength in all Matches played under the auspices of The League unless some satisfactory reason is given. In the event of the explanation not being deemed satisfactory the Board shall refer the matter to a Disciplinary Commission which has the power to impose such penalties as it shall think fit. 

Read more at http://www.efl.com/global/section5.aspx#MLSbJ4BSMdtcogMI.99

 

If making 10 changes to a team that played on Wednesday night and won 1-0 isn't a contravention of those rules what is?

If they aren't going to act on Huddersfield then they might as well erase that rule because it won't ever be used.

I'll be passing the EFL offices (Fishergate Hill, Preston) next week. I'll present them with a copy of their rules with 'cheating Yorkshire b'stards' scrawled on it.

[roverandout]

Brum were down to ten men most of the game, if huddersfield couldnt beat 10 men then thats their problem. For me multiple changed side vs 10 men evens itself out

[AllRoverAsia]

28 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

I'll be passing the EFL offices (Fishergate Hill, Preston) next week. I'll present them with a copy of their rules with 'cheating Yorkshire b'stards' scrawled on it.

Make it "cheating Yarkshire b'stards and their German spy". Copy needed to go to SIS.

[Cherry Blue]

2 hours ago, Mike E said:

I've slept on it and still think Huddersfield were in the right. Even you consider the 'reasonable excuse' factor, they have the playoffs coming up and the team that played yesterday held Man City to a draw.

I don't feel we have much basis for complaint.

But if rule 24.1 says you must play your strongest side and a team rests 10 players, surely they are in the wrong. 

Google it and you will see that many clubs from Man Utd to Southend break this rule, are in the wrong, and receive minor fines. But the severity of this for us is massive. However, expect to see something like a £3k fine imposed on them later in 2017. 

I'm not bitter 

[Stuart]

2 minutes ago, Cherry Blue said:

But if rule 24.1 says you must play your strongest side and a team rests 10 players, surely they are in the wrong. 

Google it and you will see that many clubs from Man Utd to Southend break this rule, are in the wrong, and receive minor fines. But the severity of this for us is massive. However, expect to see something like a £3k fine imposed on them later in 2017. 

I'm not bitter 

The rule needs removing then as it's pointless if there is no incentive. Deliberately not competing in a match is fundamentally the worst crime in football. Resting up to four or five players can be said to be entirely reasonable in these days of 7 subs. Making 10 changes means starting players who weren't even worthy of a place on the bench the previous week.

If they miss out on millions then they can hold Wagner entirely responsible. A season is 46 games long but the difference between success and failure is moments like this. I hope he gets his comeuppance with a poor but decisive decision against him in their play-off matches.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

3 hours ago, Mike E said:

I've slept on it and still think Huddersfield were in the right. Even you consider the 'reasonable excuse' factor, they have the playoffs coming up and the team that played yesterday held Man City to a draw.

I don't feel we have much basis for complaint.

Can't complain really, though it is irksome on the back of Redknapp's comments.  With a bit of karma, hopefully the same happens to them someday.

[lraC]

Just now, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

Can't complain really, though it is irksome on the back of Redknapp's comments.  With a bit of karma, hopefully the same happens to them someday.

That Karma may well come next weekend with a Rovers win and a Brum Draw. How sweet would that be?

[lraC]

30 minutes ago, Stuart said:

The rule needs removing then as it's pointless if there is no incentive. Deliberately not competing in a match is fundamentally the worst crime in football. Resting up to four or five players can be said to be entirely reasonable in these days of 7 subs. Making 10 changes means starting players who weren't even worthy of a place on the bench the previous week.

If they miss out on millions then they can hold Wagner entirely responsible. A season is 46 games long but the difference between success and failure is moments like this. I hope he gets his comeuppance with a poor but decisive decision against him in their play-off matches.

I pointed out yesterday that a Birmingham home win, was a sure bet and even when the had one sent off, it was still the same. They started the match at 6/4 despite the 10 changes from Huddersfield. After the sending off, they were 11/4 which was unbelievable. I hope plenty took my tip and at least made a few quid out of it.

All Rover Asia, I hope you did.