Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[Tomphil2]

8 minutes ago, rigger said:

I'll tell you what, I will be far more disappointed if Travis, and or Tronstad leave, than if Dolan does.

I'd be far happier keeping all three.

[bluebruce]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/25293917.samsunspor-make-dolan-salary-claim-blackburn-rovers-wait/

I was surprised to see this club are ruling themselves out because they can't pay above a million Euros a year (20k Euros a week). That's higher than I thought he'd be demanding (unless he just doesn't really fancy a move to Turkey so would charge more). Though free agents do come with a wage or signing on bonus premium, often both.

I expect he has probably already had an offer with something approaching that wage. What I am confident of is he wouldn't have been demanding that from us a year ago if we had got our shit together, and definitely not 2 years ago.

[Ossydave]

I'd be amazed if he wants to go to Turkey, he'd 100% favour a move in the North West to be near family.

[Tomphil2]

They've shown interest, he's half interested in going so his agent says make him an offer he can't turn down.

Again nothing unusual in that.

[chaddyrovers]

6 hours ago, Ossydave said:

I'd be amazed if he wants to go to Turkey, he'd 100% favour a move in the North West to be near family.

supposedly he wants to play overseas 

its been out of contract now 7 days still no move done. surprise myself 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

19 hours ago, Ossydave said:

I'd be amazed if he wants to go to Turkey, he'd 100% favour a move in the North West to be near family.

It’s a bit of a graveyard for UK players. Not many succeed for long out there.

[philipl]

5 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It’s a bit of a graveyard for UK players. Not many succeed for long out there.

I don't think any survive the post match fight in the tunnel beloved of Turkish TV

[Mercer]

Let's be realistic, PL isn't going to happen for Dolan - if it was, would have happened by now.

Similarly, other than Turkey, there has seemingly been no interest from Europe.  Agree with @Tyrone Shoelacesand @philiplabout Turkey and feel Dolan would really struggle there - if his agent truly has Dolan's interests at heart, he'll steer him away from that one.

So that leaves the Championship where teams have been back in training for 2 to 3 weeks.  The clock is now rapidly counting down for Dolan and if the likes of Derby, Norwich and Bristol City are options then he may well need to water down his demands.  

Think realism called for from both Dolan and agent rather than financial greed.

[lraC]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Let's be realistic, PL isn't going to happen for Dolan - if it was, would have happened by now.

Similarly, other than Turkey, there has seemingly been no interest from Europe.  Agree with @Tyrone Shoelacesand @philiplabout Turkey and feel Dolan would really struggle there - if his agent truly has Dolan's interests at heart, he'll steer him away from that one.

So that leaves the Championship where teams have been back in training for 2 to 3 weeks.  The clock is now rapidly counting down for Dolan and if the likes of Derby, Norwich and Bristol City are options then he may well need to water down his demands.  

Think realism called for from both Dolan and agent rather than financial greed.

Granted a different player and position, but this is feeling a bit like Ryan Nyambe now. He and his agent, probably thought they could get a decent gig, but I think he ended up at Wigan on a one year deal and did not feature much.

I was talking to a scout, who was looking at Carter, a few weeks before the end of the season and he  commented on Dolan, describing him, as a very frustrating player.

I do not wish him any ill, but he may have over estimated his options and could end up regretting things. 

Edited July 9 by lraC

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

12 minutes ago, lraC said:

Granted a different player and position, but this is feeling a bit like Ryan Nyambe now. He and his agent, probably thought they could get a decent gig, but I think he ended up at Wigan on a one year deal and did not feature much.

I was talking to a scout, who was looking at Carter, a few weeks before the end of the season and he  commented on Dolan, describing him, as a very frustrating player.

I do not wish him any ill, but he may have over estimated his options and could end up regretting things. 

The scout was right about Dolan. There’s something in his mentality that is holding him back. His decision making is just the same as when he first played for us. He gets nearly as many wrong as he gets right.

[Mercer]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The scout was right about Dolan. There’s something in his mentality that is holding him back. His decision making is just the same as when he first played for us. He gets nearly as many wrong as he gets right.

I think the two aspects of Dolan's game that hold him back are both his lack of pace and football intelligence and hence the poor decision making you refer to.

If Dolan can secure a 3 or 4 year deal at upwards of £10k per week, I'd be advising him to snap their hands off. 

[Tomphil2]

If pressed on it i'd say he has an offer from Derby for a few more quid than here but he wants to see if there is anything else better paid and appealing before he accepts that.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, Mercer said:

I think the two aspects of Dolan's game that hold him back are both his lack of pace and football intelligence and hence the poor decision making you refer to.

If Dolan can secure a 3 or 4 year deal at upwards of £10k per week, I'd be advising him to snap their hands off. 

You don’t always have to be quick to play out wide but it certainly helps. I remember watching Rick Holden at Oldham and then City. Most games he wouldn’t actually beat the full back ever but he get that yard of space to whip over a killer ball every time. He had football intelligence and he played to his strengths.

[Wheelton Blue]

5 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

You don’t always have to be quick to play out wide but it certainly helps. I remember watching Rick Holden at Oldham and then City. Most games he wouldn’t actually beat the full back ever but he get that yard of space to whip over a killer ball every time. He had football intelligence and he played to his strengths.

Similarly John Robertson at Forest.

[Tim Southampton Rover]

This is where I'm at with Dolan.

If he signs for:

 

A Premier League team = Fair play
 

A yo-yo Premier League/Championship team = OK, I understand - they can sell the dream
 

Blackburn = Tried to get a top move but you love Rovers and you're willing to sign a new contract and push on for that dream move in the future.
 

An average Championship team = You played the best football of your career under V.I last season. You're signing for the money. 
 

Celtic / Rangers = Signing for the money
 

Foreign club = None of the above want you or you think you're better than Blackburn = Signing for the money

[MarkBRFC]

Not sure you can really blame anyone leaving here if they go to Rangers or Celtic.

[Tim Southampton Rover]

The Championship is ranked approx. the 11th strongest league in the world. The Scottish Premier League is ranked 43rd. If your dream is to play in the Premier League then you don't move to a weaker league. 

[islander200]

6 minutes ago, Tim Southampton Rover said:

The Championship is ranked approx. the 11th strongest league in the world. The Scottish Premier League is ranked 43rd. If your dream is to play in the Premier League then you don't move to a weaker league. 

You get to play in Europe if you are playing for Celtic or Rangers and many of their players end up moving to a stronger league for decent money if they perform well for them. 

Either of those teams would be a good move for him

 

 

[frosty]

Rangers have spent most of the last few seasons in the latter stages of the Europa League and Celtic almost knocked out Bayern in the knockout rounds of the Champions League last season. Plus the chance to play in the derby, 50/60k every home game, great chance of winning trophies.

If you're Dolan you absolutely leave Rovers, where even if the team's doing well the club then does its best to limit just how well, for Celtic or Rangers.

Edited July 9 by frosty

[Tim Southampton Rover]

Of course they'll move to a stronger league when it's ranked 43rd. The reality is that they don't join the very top leagues very often. They come to the Championship or leagues of similar ability. Yes, you'll get the odd good player leave i.e. Matt O'Riley to Brighton but it doesn't happen as often as you probably think. Most end up in decent European leagues or back to the Championship (or below). Just go back through their transfer history and you'll see that. 

I appreciate the opportunity to play in Europe and agree that could temp players if opportunities are limited but more often than not, you don't move to Scotland to better your game, you escape the Scottish league to do that.

[Displaced Rover]

There’s a lot of talk and pages about such an average footballer - which just illustrates how far away we’ve fallen.

Dolan (as he and his agent are finding out) is a bang average Championship footballer. 

Should we have tied him down? Given he’ll be replaced with worse then yes he should, but I’m not going to get upset about this level of player leaving Rovers - we have much bigger issues.

[AspRover]

A premier league team will see Dolan purely as a way of making a few million quid. If he's free (or tribunal cheap) and doesn't ask for much in the way of wages they will loan him out for a season or two to the championship and then sell him as a young(ish by that point, but still) English forward for a decent but not spectacular profit - the only real risk is if he does his knees or something.

He might make a couple of appearances, but he won't be a regular.

The way Dolan stops this from happening is by demanding too much money in wages (eats into the resale value down the line) or by refusing to go somewhere without a guarantee of first team football, and I think he may well be doing both (and I don't blame him - if he/his agent was sold premier league interest then fair play to them for pursuing it, if that interest turns out to be career stalling then fair play to them for not snatching it).

The Scottish league is poor, but the old firm are in Europe every season. Impress in Europe and you get your move up the ladder.

I suspect that if he goes to Turkey he will get bullied, it can be quite a physical league, but he might surprise us.

I think that staying with us for another season or two will be seen as the 'safe' option, and I think he's probably decided he's rather take a risk and try to move his career on. I'm not sure it will work, but it's hard to fault ambition when we seemingly possess it in negative amounts.

Edited July 9 by AspRover

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Similarly John Robertson at Forest.

Great example. Both of them had that little trick that got them that yard of space. Once they’d got that the ball went. They didn’t try to make a meal of it like Dolan does from time to time.

Edited July 9 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Displaced Rover said:

There’s a lot of talk and pages about such an average footballer - which just illustrates how far away we’ve fallen.

Dolan (as he and his agent are finding out) is a bang average Championship footballer. 

Should we have tied him down? Given he’ll be replaced with worse then yes he should, but I’m not going to get upset about this level of player leaving Rovers - we have much bigger issues.

I was only thinking that the other day. Damien Johnson was twice the winger Dolan will ever be and he was in and out of our first team back then.

[JPTSwindon]

When does he become a free agent?  Isn't it any day now?