Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Another case of playing a player in a position that suits his skill set best. Funny how his new club had it figured out pretty sharpish.

Edited 21 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[rigger]

1 hour ago, speeeeeeedie said:

It's quite an outlier of an opinion you have. Do you ever change opinions? Have you heard of the backfire effect? 

Markanday was ignored by several Rovers managers. Dolan was not. Markanday is currently toiling in League 2. Dolan is not.

Dolan frustrated the life out of me but I'd pick him 10 times out of 10 ahead of Markanday.

In answer to your two questions. Yes, when Venkys took over at the Rovers, I thought it was a good appointment. Now I have changed my opinion. On the second question, no I have never heard of backfire effect.

[Tomphil2]

35 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Fair play to him... when he ran down his contract on a free I don't think anyone - even his biggest fans - would have said he'd get a crack at the top leagues. He seemed a good championship player, but not much more than that .

It's another in quite a few who we have written off only to be surprised. I think the main thing to take away is supporters generally (myself included) are not actually that good at judging the quality of players.

We can only judge and gauge off what we see on the pitch and hear in interviews, social media etc but even given that some still have odd takes on certain players for some reason.

Think everyone would agree he was frustrating but still had potential to be better and when he was good he was good.

As long as he doesn't end up at that lot up the road i wish him nothing but as much success as possible as at least he didn't hide and run his contract out like some other A holes.

[speeeeeeedie]

29 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Fair play to him... when he ran down his contract on a free I don't think anyone - even his biggest fans - would have said he'd get a crack at the top leagues. He seemed a good championship player, but not much more than that .

It's another in quite a few who we have written off only to be surprised. I think the main thing to take away is supporters generally (myself included) are not actually that good at judging the quality of players.

I agree with you. He was competent but had many faults, just like most Championship players.

I watch very little Spanish football, but it is slower and less physical than the English game. Both these aspects will suit Dolan as I felt that oftentimes he was not physically up to it. It is very early on though, he might be on the outs come Christmas. Or he could be the next Vinny Samways.

I'd have thought that if Dolan was "good" another English team would have taken him. I don't think Espanyol would have been a club that was on his radar in June. We will never know though.

Anyway, he's gone, probably never to return. I'll await the time when de Neve reaches Dolan's level instead.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

53 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said:

I agree with you. He was competent but had many faults, just like most Championship players.

I watch very little Spanish football, but it is slower and less physical than the English game. Both these aspects will suit Dolan as I felt that oftentimes he was not physically up to it. It is very early on though, he might be on the outs come Christmas. Or he could be the next Vinny Samways.

I'd have thought that if Dolan was "good" another English team would have taken him. I don't think Espanyol would have been a club that was on his radar in June. We will never know though.

Anyway, he's gone, probably never to return. I'll await the time when de Neve reaches Dolan's level instead.

Mm, get some good reading matter in, thst could be a very long wait.

[philipl]

He is 23 so plenty of opportunity to iron out his weaknesses and build on his strengths.

Liga football could well be more suited to him than the Championship. Brilliant to see his great start - let's hope he can keep this going.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

He could be infuriating at times but you couldn’t fault his effort. It’ll be interesting to see if they can coach the faults in his game out of him, if they do they’ll have a good player on their hands. He was always going to be a better bet than BBD because his willingness to work 100%.

Edited 17 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[M_B]

Wish him all the best, always tried his hardest, his temperament was never in doubt.

I never understood the vitriol towards him. I wonder if those who used to say , if he wants to go I'll drive him there myself, realised it would be to the Bernabeu rather than Barnsley.

[Upside Down]

51 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He could be infuriating at times but you couldn’t fault his effort. It’ll be interesting to see if they can coach the faults in his game out of him, if they do they’ll have a good player on their hands. He was always going to be a better bet than BBD because his willingness to work 100%.

And his natural skill 

He'll no doubt now be playing with a few players who are at the same skill level or above so no need to be flashy and show off in that environment. If he sticks to the basics then he'll be very good.

His work rate was always 100% and I'm happy to see him doing well. He's got to where he has by working hard and never giving up despite being let go by City as a youngster, getting let go by Preston (ha) and not being given a serious offer from Rovers where he'd established himself as a first team player at the age of 23.

As Tomphil said, as long as he doesn't end up playing for the clampits then I wish him the best.

[philipl]

Dolan speed of feet and natural balance were different level at Rovers and in the Championship. They got him into positions which also required vision and decision making he hadn't developed which made him such a frustrating player.

At Espanyol every player will be next level.skillful beyond anything he was alongside at Rovers so:

- he will be getting better quality service

- he won't need vision and decision making as much because colleagues will be better positioned around him to receive passes from him

- when he screws up or gets dispossessed better players will be better positioned to rescue him

- he won't be singled out or doubled up on by the opposition because in a league with Yamal, nobody is worrying about Dolan embarrassing them.

Edited 9 hours ago by philipl

[Exiled_Rover]

4 hours ago, philipl said:

Dolan speed of feet and natural balance were different level at Rovers and in the Championship. They got him into positions which also required vision and decision making he hadn't developed which made him such a frustrating player.

At Espanyol every player will be next level.skillful beyond anything he was alongside at Rovers so:

- he will be getting better quality service

- he won't need vision and decision making as much because colleagues will be better positioned around him to receive passes from him

- when he screws up or gets dispossessed better players will be better positioned to rescue him

- he won't be singled out or doubled up on by the opposition because in a league with Yamal, nobody is worrying about Dolan embarrassing them.

He wasn't singled out or doubled up on at Rovers - any good Championship FB had him in their back pocket.

For his sake I'm glad he's started well, but it does make me question the quality of that league. 

[Mattyblue]

Why do so many middling Spanish sides win European trophies if it can’t compete with the mighty Championship?

[philipl]

3 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

He wasn't singled out or doubled up on at Rovers - any good Championship FB had him in their back pocket.

For his sake I'm glad he's started well, but it does make me question the quality of that league. 

Beg to differ. 

Dolan was slow enough for Championship opposition to cover up if he got past the first man - which he frequently did - but almost never beat the covering player.  

And yes Barcelona were garbage at St James' Park, Liverpool didn't need a 96th minute dingle lucky moment to beat Atletico and Arsenal weren't given a 70 minute chasing at the San Mames while BBD's alma mater weren't the best side at the Tottenham Stadium for 80 minutes.

The Mallorca outfit Dolan's heroics helped to beat looked well capable of dispatching any club in the Championship this season while I am sure you would feel rock solid on a bet that no Liga side would reach the last 4 of any European competition come April 2026...