StHelensRover Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said: I think it's important to acknowledge the contrast of 'perceived immediate peril' between Rovers' and Sheff Wednesday's situations. When they boycotted the Boro game, drawing national attention and widespread unity, the following had happened in the previous 6 months alone (source is Wikipedia, so may not be 100% accurate). On 3 June, the club and owner Dejphon Chansiri were charged with multiple breaches of EFL Regulations relating to payment obligations by the EFL. On 5 June, the club were placed under a registration embargo. On 18 June, the EFL placed the club under a three-window fee restriction ban after exceeding 30 days of late payments, with the club confirming they would be appealing. On 27 June, the club were placed under a further embargo by the EFL, over amounts owed to HM Revenue and Customs. On 1 July, several players handed in their 15-day notice, following the June wages being delayed. On 3 July, the club were placed in a triple embargo due to money Wednesday owed to Southampton and Norwich City for fees towards players Shea Charles and Akin Famewo. On 14 July, it was revealed money was still owed to Hull City for the transfer of Mallik Wilks. On 30 July, it was revealed that players hadn't been paid for the third month in a row and for the fourth time in five months. On 8 August, had their transfer embargos lifted after paying outstanding debts for players and transfer fees, but remained under a transfer-fee ban and are still bound by a business plan set out by the Club Financial Reporting Unit. On 17 September, Wednesday were placed under two more embargoes for future financial information and secure funding linked to an inability to prove that the club can be funded going forward. On 25 September, the club were placed under a further embargo by the EFL, over amounts owed to HM Revenue and Customs again. On 26 September, the club were placed under a further two emargoes, so five in total, this time for football creditors and amounts due to another club. On 29 September, senior players and staff were told not to expect wages on payday, the fifth time that calendar year. On 4 October, the match against Coventry City was delayed due to a fan protest on the pitch against the owner. On 6 October, the club were hit with their sixth embargo after failure to pay players on time. On 9 October, new chair of the Independent Football Regulator, David Kogan said Sheffield Wednesday's struggles are a "significant problem" and the new football regulator is seeking powers to investigate clubs in such situations. On 9 October, Unite the Union issued a statement against owner Dejphon Chansiri, for his continuous failure to pay non-football staff. On 14 October, it was confirmed that the players and non-playing staff received the rest of their September wages removing one of their six embargoes. On 16 October, it was reported that HMRC are close to issuing a winding-up order due to an unpaid tax bill of around £1m. On 22 October, the fans boycotted the fixture against Middlesbrough. Also worth noting the following happened during Chansiri's reign: 6 Point Deduction and relegation to league one (July 2020) Players salaries capped (attributed to revenue losses during COVID) - November 2020 Delayed Wage Payments (April and May 2021) Chansiri issued a 1,500-word statement on September 29, 2023, vowing to stop funding the club due to “selfish” fans’ criticism and “insults” to his family. HMRC Payment Delay, Wage Risk, and Asking Fans to contribute £2m to cover HMRC bill (October 2023) HMRC Payment Delay (November 2023) HMRC Payment Delay and Embargo (November 2024) Whilst a lot of Rovers fans (Myself included) are extremely angry about the last 15 years, and extremely worried about the short, medium and long term future of the club under the Rao's, our current situation is (on the surface) not really comparable with that of Sheff Wed. Very little of the above has happened at Rovers, save for a transfer embargo in.... 2015? What I'm saying is, whilst wages are paid, whilst there's 11 players in blue and white on the swamp, whilst we maintain Championship status and whilst there is no imminent (or at least publicised) threat to the club, many fans (and importantly the media and powers that be ((FA, EFL)) will turn a blind eye, and as we have witnessed, become quite angry at the prospect of protests, boycotts or otherwise, citing, "where would we be without them". In my opinion, protests won't gather a huge amount of traction until there's a tanginble threat to the future of the club. At the moment, the Rao's, and the board are managing to keep the good ship Rovers out of totally treacherous seas. This is definitely an issue and something I have mentioned before. With clubs like Sheff W, Bury, Reading, Coventry and so on, the disaster happened over the space of a couple of years and accelerated very quickly to the point the club goes bust. So it (rightly) looks and sounds very serious to outsiders. Almost uniquely, our managed decline has happened at such a snails pace comparatively, that everyone else lost interest once we dropped out of the Premier League. We've never been seen as a big city or fashionable club, it looks like we are just "moaning coz it isn't 1995". It doesn't help that we have portions of our own fanbase massively talking down the stature of the club and saying "well we were shit with small support in the 70s so we should accept that in 2025". For all but a small section of the club's history, we have either been in the top flight, or in the second tier but trying to get into the top flight. There were some periods where we struggled and dipped into the third tier, but taken across 150 years, or 137 of league football, we have almost always been in the elite or on the cusp of the elite. People now saying we should be grateful the venkys are keeping us swirling round the plughole infuriate me. Edited 1 hour ago by StHelensRover 5 1 Quote
Mattyblue Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said: I think it's important to acknowledge the contrast of 'perceived immediate peril' between Rovers' and Sheff Wednesday's situations. When they boycotted the Boro game, drawing national attention and widespread unity, the following had happened in the previous 6 months alone (source is Wikipedia, so may not be 100% accurate). On 3 June, the club and owner Dejphon Chansiri were charged with multiple breaches of EFL Regulations relating to payment obligations by the EFL. On 5 June, the club were placed under a registration embargo. On 18 June, the EFL placed the club under a three-window fee restriction ban after exceeding 30 days of late payments, with the club confirming they would be appealing. On 27 June, the club were placed under a further embargo by the EFL, over amounts owed to HM Revenue and Customs. On 1 July, several players handed in their 15-day notice, following the June wages being delayed. On 3 July, the club were placed in a triple embargo due to money Wednesday owed to Southampton and Norwich City for fees towards players Shea Charles and Akin Famewo. On 14 July, it was revealed money was still owed to Hull City for the transfer of Mallik Wilks. On 30 July, it was revealed that players hadn't been paid for the third month in a row and for the fourth time in five months. On 8 August, had their transfer embargos lifted after paying outstanding debts for players and transfer fees, but remained under a transfer-fee ban and are still bound by a business plan set out by the Club Financial Reporting Unit. On 17 September, Wednesday were placed under two more embargoes for future financial information and secure funding linked to an inability to prove that the club can be funded going forward. On 25 September, the club were placed under a further embargo by the EFL, over amounts owed to HM Revenue and Customs again. On 26 September, the club were placed under a further two emargoes, so five in total, this time for football creditors and amounts due to another club. On 29 September, senior players and staff were told not to expect wages on payday, the fifth time that calendar year. On 4 October, the match against Coventry City was delayed due to a fan protest on the pitch against the owner. On 6 October, the club were hit with their sixth embargo after failure to pay players on time. On 9 October, new chair of the Independent Football Regulator, David Kogan said Sheffield Wednesday's struggles are a "significant problem" and the new football regulator is seeking powers to investigate clubs in such situations. On 9 October, Unite the Union issued a statement against owner Dejphon Chansiri, for his continuous failure to pay non-football staff. On 14 October, it was confirmed that the players and non-playing staff received the rest of their September wages removing one of their six embargoes. On 16 October, it was reported that HMRC are close to issuing a winding-up order due to an unpaid tax bill of around £1m. On 22 October, the fans boycotted the fixture against Middlesbrough. Also worth noting the following happened during Chansiri's reign: 6 Point Deduction and relegation to league one (July 2020) Players salaries capped (attributed to revenue losses during COVID) - November 2020 Delayed Wage Payments (April and May 2021) Chansiri issued a 1,500-word statement on September 29, 2023, vowing to stop funding the club due to “selfish” fans’ criticism and “insults” to his family. HMRC Payment Delay, Wage Risk, and Asking Fans to contribute £2m to cover HMRC bill (October 2023) HMRC Payment Delay (November 2023) HMRC Payment Delay and Embargo (November 2024) Whilst a lot of Rovers fans (Myself included) are extremely angry about the last 15 years, and extremely worried about the short, medium and long term future of the club under the Rao's, our current situation is (on the surface) not really comparable with that of Sheff Wed. Very little of the above has happened at Rovers, save for a transfer embargo in.... 2015? What I'm saying is, whilst wages are paid, whilst there's 11 players in blue and white on the swamp, whilst we maintain Championship status and whilst there is no imminent (or at least publicised) threat to the club, many fans (and importantly the media and powers that be ((FA, EFL)) will turn a blind eye, and as we have witnessed, become quite angry at the prospect of protests, boycotts or otherwise, citing, "where would we be without them". In my opinion, protests won't gather a huge amount of traction until there's a tanginble threat to the future of the club. At the moment, the Rao's, and the board are managing to keep the good ship Rovers out of totally treacherous seas. Totally agree. Sheff Wed fans did a lot of grumbling in earlier seasons, but it was only when wages stopped being paid that the whole house of cards came down and fans properly mobilised. Here, a ‘small club’ with ‘crap crowds’ is still in the Championship and the wages are paid. ‘What you all moaning about, who else will pay them?’ 3 Quote
roversfan99 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 27 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: There's also always this undercurrent with Chaddy that he's a better and more loyal fan than everyone else because he'll always support the team no matter what blah blah blah and that is coming out again with his absolute refusal to countenance a boycott for even a single game. Personally I stopped going at the end of the Mowbray era because I was completely fed up with repeated failures to make the play offs etc even when it seemed impossible not to do so. I felt there was something very off about the Club even then. So I'm not boycotting because of the owners as such, if I felt there was suddenly a genuine desire to try and succeed within the Club Id hopefully be back. Unfortunately despite thinking there might be green shoots of recovery under both JDT and Eustace, overall since the time I last attended regularly things have got even worse, it seems we have a new disaster on more or less a weekly basis these days so there's absolutely no incentive for me to return at present. I fully accept that my long term absence makes me not as committed or as good of a supporter as say a mate of mine who has continued to go and who retained his season ticket. For present purposes though there should be no suggestion that anyone who boycotts for either a single game or longer is any less of a supporter than someone who refuses to do that. Nor should there be any criticism of anyone who refuses to boycott, even for a single game. I don't personally agree with that stance as I think if absolutely nothing is done the Club will die. It is however a matter of personal choice and anyone who doesn't want to boycott is perfectly entitled to that point of view. I definitely also get the superfan undercurrent but perhaps it is purely subconscious or inadvertent. Also agree with a number of other points. I dont get why the owners arent the trigger point for your disillusionment, but each to their own. Mowbray seemed to be one of a few rabbit holes you went down which have taken you away from the owners. After that season when we fell away, it had happened once under Mowbray, it has also happened since twice since. Different managers, different staff, 15 years of constant embarassment. Quote
Penwortham Blue Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 13 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said: I think it's important to acknowledge the contrast of 'perceived immediate peril' between Rovers' and Sheff Wednesday's situations. When they boycotted the Boro game, drawing national attention and widespread unity, the following had happened in the previous 6 months alone (source is Wikipedia, so may not be 100% accurate). On 3 June, the club and owner Dejphon Chansiri were charged with multiple breaches of EFL Regulations relating to payment obligations by the EFL. On 5 June, the club were placed under a registration embargo. On 18 June, the EFL placed the club under a three-window fee restriction ban after exceeding 30 days of late payments, with the club confirming they would be appealing. On 27 June, the club were placed under a further embargo by the EFL, over amounts owed to HM Revenue and Customs. On 1 July, several players handed in their 15-day notice, following the June wages being delayed. On 3 July, the club were placed in a triple embargo due to money Wednesday owed to Southampton and Norwich City for fees towards players Shea Charles and Akin Famewo. On 14 July, it was revealed money was still owed to Hull City for the transfer of Mallik Wilks. On 30 July, it was revealed that players hadn't been paid for the third month in a row and for the fourth time in five months. On 8 August, had their transfer embargos lifted after paying outstanding debts for players and transfer fees, but remained under a transfer-fee ban and are still bound by a business plan set out by the Club Financial Reporting Unit. On 17 September, Wednesday were placed under two more embargoes for future financial information and secure funding linked to an inability to prove that the club can be funded going forward. On 25 September, the club were placed under a further embargo by the EFL, over amounts owed to HM Revenue and Customs again. On 26 September, the club were placed under a further two emargoes, so five in total, this time for football creditors and amounts due to another club. On 29 September, senior players and staff were told not to expect wages on payday, the fifth time that calendar year. On 4 October, the match against Coventry City was delayed due to a fan protest on the pitch against the owner. On 6 October, the club were hit with their sixth embargo after failure to pay players on time. On 9 October, new chair of the Independent Football Regulator, David Kogan said Sheffield Wednesday's struggles are a "significant problem" and the new football regulator is seeking powers to investigate clubs in such situations. On 9 October, Unite the Union issued a statement against owner Dejphon Chansiri, for his continuous failure to pay non-football staff. On 14 October, it was confirmed that the players and non-playing staff received the rest of their September wages removing one of their six embargoes. On 16 October, it was reported that HMRC are close to issuing a winding-up order due to an unpaid tax bill of around £1m. On 22 October, the fans boycotted the fixture against Middlesbrough. Also worth noting the following happened during Chansiri's reign: 6 Point Deduction and relegation to league one (July 2020) Players salaries capped (attributed to revenue losses during COVID) - November 2020 Delayed Wage Payments (April and May 2021) Chansiri issued a 1,500-word statement on September 29, 2023, vowing to stop funding the club due to “selfish” fans’ criticism and “insults” to his family. HMRC Payment Delay, Wage Risk, and Asking Fans to contribute £2m to cover HMRC bill (October 2023) HMRC Payment Delay (November 2023) HMRC Payment Delay and Embargo (November 2024) Whilst a lot of Rovers fans (Myself included) are extremely angry about the last 15 years, and extremely worried about the short, medium and long term future of the club under the Rao's, our current situation is (on the surface) not really comparable with that of Sheff Wed. Very little of the above has happened at Rovers, save for a transfer embargo in.... 2015? What I'm saying is, whilst wages are paid, whilst there's 11 players in blue and white on the swamp, whilst we maintain Championship status and whilst there is no imminent (or at least publicised) threat to the club, many fans (and importantly the media and powers that be ((FA, EFL)) will turn a blind eye, and as we have witnessed, become quite angry at the prospect of protests, boycotts or otherwise, citing, "where would we be without them". In my opinion, protests won't gather a huge amount of traction until there's a tanginble threat to the future of the club. At the moment, the Rao's, and the board are managing to keep the good ship Rovers out of totally treacherous seas. Luckily for the Sheffield Wednesday fans their journey has been wretched but thankfully, very short in duration. Contrast that with the much more painful and enduring death by a thousand cuts that Blackburn Rovers fans have had to experience. There is no comparison, save that one club will soon be bouncing back and the other continues on the path to oblivion ! Quote
Hasta Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 36 minutes ago, rigger said: Just for truths sake, and as you named me. I have not walked away, I just have not renewed my season ticket. This is mainly due to the fact that I cannot get to mid-week, Sunday or later kick-off games, so I pick and choose which games I attend, both home and away. Sorry. I was being lazy and took that as a presumption off one post I’d just read. 1 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 48 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: There's no denying the owners overall record is atrocious, there's no getting round that. However for me any ambition to succeed within the Club seemed to perish once Mowbray got us back into the Championship and that sense came mainly from the manager himself. Wasn't it he who coined the infamous phrase, "It's not 1995 anymore". After that things looked briefly promising under JDT but then the Court case gave the owners and Waggott a convenient sounding excuse not to invest, same again under Eustace but they drove him away by refusing to support him. Now the situation seems completely hopeless, not only do they not try to pretend there's any ambition they're completely brazen and boast about the lack of it. "Play offs weren't the priority/the days of big money signings are over" ( Gestede) "Spending money doesn't guarantee success" (Pasha) Against this sort of backdrop I've said for a couple of seasons at least that we're only one bad manager away from oblivion. Well, now we've got him. Edited 1 hour ago by RevidgeBlue Quote
KidderStreetNoise Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: What about people who want to buy presents for children/family members? I've not bought items like food and drinks down to the options available and price on the concourse for 2 or 3 years now. Instead I buy from the burger van behind the club shop. Buy them something else 4 Quote
roversfan99 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 8 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: There's no denying the owners overall record is atrocious, there's no getting round that. However for me any ambition to succeed within the Club seemed to perish once Mowbray got us back into the Championship and that sense came mainly from the manager himself. Wasn't it he who coined the infamous phrase, "It's not 1995 anymore". After that things looked briefly promising under JDT but then the Court case gave the owners and Waggott a convenient sounding excuse not to invest, same again under Eustace but they drove him away by refusing to support him. I've said for a couple of seasons at least We're only one bad manager away from oblivion. We'll now, we've got him. Youve gone down rabbit holes you cant now climb out of. If you genuinely think that Mowbray was the protagonist to our lack of ambition, based on an out of context, petulant throw away comment under pressure. Or any individual who has been and gone during the last 15 years. Then you havent been paying attention. Before Mowbray we didnt have ambition. After him, no ambition. Also, Waggott never invested into the company. Not his job. Venkys barely have invested, theyve covered standard losses, huge difference. We havent had any ambition across the last 15 years. Quote
JHRover Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 40 minutes ago, StHelensRover said: This is definitely an issue and something I have mentioned before. With clubs like Sheff W, Bury, Reading, Coventry and so on, the disaster happened over the space of a couple of years and accelerated very quickly to the point the club goes bust. So it (rightly) looks and sounds very serious to outsiders. Almost uniquely, our managed decline has happened at such a snails pace comparatively, that everyone else lost interest once we dropped out of the Premier League. We've never been seen as a big city or fashionable club, it looks like we are just "moaning coz it isn't 1995". It doesn't help that we have portions of our own fanbase massively talking down the stature of the club and saying "well we were shit with small support in the 70s so we should accept that in 2025". For all but a small section of the club's history, we have either been in the top flight, or in the second tier but trying to get into the top flight. There were some periods where we struggled and dipped into the third tier, but taken across 150 years, or 137 of league football, we have almost always been in the elite or on the cusp of the elite. People now saying we should be grateful the venkys are keeping us swirling round the plughole infuriate me. Some of this, I think, comes back to the strange obsession some people have with the period of say 1975-1989. A 15 -20 year block of our history (similar to the Venky era) yet for some reason, perhaps because it immediately preceded the Walker revolution, some people fixate on this spell as being representative of what Blackburn Rovers is and can expect to be as a club. You rarely, if ever, get people referring back to what the club was in the 40s,50s, 60s and often these people are keen to remind us that it isn't the 90s or 00s anymore, that we've no right to rely on that 20 year block as a benchmark or standard as it isn't 'normal'. But why is 1975-1989 'normal' but the 50s, 60s, 90s, 00s not normal? A lot of it of course is because people can clearly remember the 70s and 80s and consider what is happening now to be simply a return to that. But by the same token I could refer them to the decades before then. Sadly I think a few are still in this 'I was there before it was good' mentality - that because they followed Rovers before the Walker glory days that this gives them more perspective, knowledge, understanding of what BRFC really is than those who decided to or were of an age to start supporting the club when the times were good in the 90s and 00s. Well the same people ought to know that taking our history as a whole it is certainly more than being a struggling second division club with 4-figure crowds. Because aside from the Venky created sham we have now and a period when English football was on its knees in terms of crowds and stadia that just isn't accurate as a reflection. But with the willingness to accept it and convince themselves it is the best we can expect it is little wonder the club drifted in the wilderness for the best part of 30 years rarely getting anywhere. Whatever the truth of it nothing and nobody will tell me that I should accept something that clearly isn't good enough. The disgrace of a regime and ownership that occupies the club today certainly isn't good enough and need to be reminded of that on a regular basis. 5 1 Quote
Waggy76 Posted 52 minutes ago Posted 52 minutes ago Where were Blackburn Rovers in the football pyramid , when the Venkys arrived ? Where are they now ? I rest my case !! Venkys Out ! 1 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 51 minutes ago Posted 51 minutes ago 9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Youve gone down rabbit holes you cant now climb out of. If you genuinely think that Mowbray was the protagonist to our lack of ambition, based on an out of context, petulant throw away comment under pressure. Or any individual who has been and gone during the last 15 years. Then you havent been paying attention. Before Mowbray we didnt have ambition. After him, no ambition. Also, Waggott never invested into the company. Not his job. Venkys barely have invested, theyve covered standard losses, huge difference. We havent had any ambition across the last 15 years. Im not down a rabbit hole at all. You have this idea firmly planted in your head that you can't shake off that Im trying to deflect blame off the owners which simply isnt the case. It's their name over the door therefore everything ultimately tracks back to them. It really is as simple as that. However others shouldn't be completely blameless as you seem to think. Now for example we have imo one of our worst ever managers in Ismael. He needs to go whether the owners sell up tomorrow or not. But, you would no doubt try and twist that view round as me trying to deflect blame off the owners yet again. Quote
SIMON GARNERS 194 Posted 48 minutes ago Posted 48 minutes ago We have only ever been out of the top two Divisions for just six Seasons in our entire History. 4 Quote
Backroom DE. Posted 44 minutes ago Backroom Posted 44 minutes ago 3 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said: We have only ever been out of the top two Divisions for just six Seasons in our entire History. Soon to be seven, I fear. Lord knows what this lot will do to us in January. 1 Quote
TheKitGuy Posted 38 minutes ago Posted 38 minutes ago 1 hour ago, StHelensRover said: This is definitely an issue and something I have mentioned before. With clubs like Sheff W, Bury, Reading, Coventry and so on, the disaster happened over the space of a couple of years and accelerated very quickly to the point the club goes bust. So it (rightly) looks and sounds very serious to outsiders. Almost uniquely, our managed decline has happened at such a snails pace comparatively, that everyone else lost interest once we dropped out of the Premier League. We've never been seen as a big city or fashionable club, it looks like we are just "moaning coz it isn't 1995". It doesn't help that we have portions of our own fanbase massively talking down the stature of the club and saying "well we were shit with small support in the 70s so we should accept that in 2025". For all but a small section of the club's history, we have either been in the top flight, or in the second tier but trying to get into the top flight. There were some periods where we struggled and dipped into the third tier, but taken across 150 years, or 137 of league football, we have almost always been in the elite or on the cusp of the elite. People now saying we should be grateful the venkys are keeping us swirling round the plughole infuriate me. We should always strive to be the best. Where would you get in life if you just plodded. I want Blackburn Rovers to be the best club to ever exist, those that are happy with us middling around in the championship because 'when i wer a lad you'd be lucky to get 3,000 on' or 'you've got it lucky in the 70s we lost every week!' that was over 50 years ago. A good business builds year on year. 3 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 29 minutes ago Posted 29 minutes ago 2 minutes ago, TheKitGuy said: We should always strive to be the best. Where would you get in life if you just plodded. I want Blackburn Rovers to be the best club to ever exist, those that are happy with us middling around in the championship because 'when i wer a lad you'd be lucky to get 3,000 on' or 'you've got it lucky in the 70s we lost every week!' that was over 50 years ago. A good business builds year on year. Exactly this. I WANT us to be winning the Champions League, the Premier League, the FA Cup and the League Cup every season. I know it's not going to happen ** but there's no point in being happy with just surviving, it's meant to be entertainment and a release from the often humdrum nature of everyday life. ** Then again back in the 70's and 80's I never in a million years expected to see us lift the League Title either! Quote
Backroom Mike E Posted 21 minutes ago Backroom Posted 21 minutes ago 3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: But it isn't this season is it? I have around 6 shirts that are all of infinitely better quality than anything I have bought from the club (and all cheaper): One is a classicfootballshirts type, two are from FootballTown and three (maybe four?) are from this very site. I will never step foot on Ewood again in a current club replica shirt because they are simply not worth it. Quote
Dolly blue Posted 14 minutes ago Posted 14 minutes ago 33 minutes ago, Waggy76 said: Where were Blackburn Rovers in the football pyramid , when the Venkys arrived ? Where are they now ? I rest my case !! Venkys Out ! It’s not particularly where Rovers currently are in the pyramid that gets me..it’s the soulless running of affairs, it’s the morgue of a ground, it’s that lack of respect afforded to staff, some decent players and managers and fans. It’s the managed decline of everything that Rovers stood for in the football world and in the town . It’s the empty shell that is left. I would support in the lowest part of the pyramid if we were to be rid of “ them “ . Quote
roversfan99 Posted 5 minutes ago Posted 5 minutes ago 38 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: Im not down a rabbit hole at all. You have this idea firmly planted in your head that you can't shake off that Im trying to deflect blame off the owners which simply isnt the case. It's their name over the door therefore everything ultimately tracks back to them. It really is as simple as that. However others shouldn't be completely blameless as you seem to think. Now for example we have imo one of our worst ever managers in Ismael. He needs to go whether the owners sell up tomorrow or not. But, you would no doubt try and twist that view round as me trying to deflect blame off the owners yet again. I agree on Ismael. Saying that Ismael needs to go is a current problem at least though, rather than fixating on staff members that have been and gone and are not current issues. You also arent suggesting that any ambition went with Ismael. There has been no ambition across the last 15 years, consistently. It cant just be pinned on a former manager. Nor are you saying that Ismael has lowered the standards that the current board are just continuing with. By making these sorts of comments, you are pinning the root cause down to individuals rather than Venkys so it is deflecting blame. Saying that their name is over the door sort of does put it back on them but only artificially. Venkys (Suhail is an anomaly here is he is essentially an extension of them, but even then, even he isnt the direct cause) are the problem and always have been, beyond merely just being a name over the door. If you pinpoint what you perceive to be the trigger standard lowering or downgrading of the club down to any individual, whether it be Mowbray, Waggott, Broughton, Ismael, Kean, whoever. Just look before and after their employment. Standards were no higher, its been consistently like this since Venkys came in. We need to focus on them. If people have lost interest/are boycotting for any reason other than the owners then not enough attention has been paid. Quote
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