Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[philipl]

Cost us 4 points this week bringing de Neve on instead of Ribeiro.

[DuffsLeftPeg]

14 minutes ago, philipl said:

Cost us 4 points this week bringing de Neve on instead of Ribeiro.

And 1 point, possibly all 3 vs QPR. Taking Gudjohnsen off for the hopeless Gueye.

Same subs, same outcome. 

Venky’s Out!

[RoversTilliDie]

15 minutes ago, philipl said:

Cost us 4 points this week bringing de Neve on instead of Ribeiro.

Id like a change to this topic, Valerie Ismael, No longer Blackburn Rovers coach. He's cost us more than 4 points at home this season, not one substitution, but three or four at a time.

[TheKitGuy]

Has he lost the plot or is it a ploy to get fans on his side? 

 

The comments seem to suggest the fans are on his side...

[Parsonblue]

6 minutes ago, TheKitGuy said:

Has he lost the plot or is it a ploy to get fans on his side? 

 

The comments seem to suggest the fans are on his side...

He's absolutely right about the standard of officials in the Championship. They are beyond poor and last night's referee is one of the worst.  No doubt he'll get in bother for saying it, but it needed saying by a manager.  The officials today seem so robotic in their approach to the game.  

I remember refs in the sixties who were real characters but who would laugh and joke with players during a game and have a real interaction with them.  Yes, you got bad decisions at times but they seemed so much more in tune with the game than today's manufactured refs.

[davulsukur]

18 minutes ago, TheKitGuy said:

Has he lost the plot or is it a ploy to get fans on his side? 

 

The comments seem to suggest the fans are on his side...

Absolute desperation from a poor and quite frankly arrogant manager.

You can argue the toss all day about that potential red card but at the end of the day HE is responsible for that last minute equaliser, subbing on poor players and leaving solid, championship experienced defenders on the bench.

[Tomphil2]

56 minutes ago, philipl said:

Cost us 4 points this week bringing de Neve on instead of Ribeiro.

It's alright though he has to save some tired legs and give game time to flops, the risk of upsetting the balance and conceding on a weekly basis doing the same thing over and over is forgiven, apparently.

[arbitro]

58 minutes ago, philipl said:

Cost us 4 points this week bringing de Neve on instead of Ribeiro.

Against QPR De Neve was badly at fault for their goal (as was Miller) but I really don't understand how bringing him on in the Wrexham and Ipswich games cost us four points.

I don't particularly rate him but I'm intrigued to understand your logic.

[philipl]

Just now, arbitro said:

Against QPR De Neve was badly at fault for their goal (as was Miller) but I really don't understand how bringing him on in the Wrexham and Ipswich games cost us four points.

I don't particularly rate him but I'm intrigued to understand your logic.

Both 90+xth equalisers came through poor defending in the left back position when holding a 1-0 lead albeit Wrexham leading to the corner from which they scored.

Ribeiro is an accomplished left back, De Neve is on the pitch to run at and hopefully past opponents and a largely haphazard presence when in his own box.

[MarkBRFC]

4 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Against QPR De Neve was badly at fault for their goal (as was Miller) but I really don't understand how bringing him on in the Wrexham and Ipswich games cost us four points.

I don't particularly rate him but I'm intrigued to understand your logic.

Against Wrexham he kept crossing the ball into the area instead of taking it to the corner in injury time  giving them possession back far too easily.

Last night, I would have to see the goal again but it looked like it came from his side again similar to the QPR one.

[StHelensRover]

2 hours ago, arbitro said:

It's frustration like it has been for many of us and last night was the culmination of several incorrect decisions.

I believe he is totally right to put it out there.

Do you think we should just accept them?

We don't have a choice, we have to accept them. We can't go back and 'correct' any bad decisions, so complaining is pointless. One angry manager's tirade won't change the level of reffing, regardless of how poor it is. 

Every team gets a handful of stinkers against them over the season, ours just seem to have come all in a short space of time.  It's bad luck, but crying about it on TV and using it as an excuse for being 18th in the league is pathetic imo.

When we eventually get one of those controversial decisions going in our favour, there is not a cat in hell's chance he will be on TV saying we didn't deserve to win, that were just very lucky and that refs are awful.

The suggestion that the referee was biased towards Ipswich because they were recently in the Premier League is extremely pathetic, so I won't accept those comments from a Blackburn Rovers manager, it's embarrassing. He will probably get a fine for this and he deserves it.

I still remember in the early 2000s when West Brom fans turned up at Ewood on the last day of the season and staged some bizarre protest against referees because they argued that they had been relegated because of bad decisions against them - Not because they had been shite. That's what this reminds me of. Laughable.

Edited 1 hour ago by StHelensRover

[StHelensRover]

58 minutes ago, TheKitGuy said:

Has he lost the plot or is it a ploy to get fans on his side? 

 

The comments seem to suggest the fans are on his side...

That image is yet another embarrassment heaped on this football club.

It's also extremely 'memeable' and will no doubt come back to haunt him and us. You can now edit anything on to that sheet of paper for a laugh, maybe it will eventually be 'P45' come May, or maybe not.

[chaddyrovers]

Ismael is bang on about how appalling the referring standards are now. Refs are mostly clueless at this level. 

How did the ref missed the blatant red card yesterday or Whiteman's challenge not being a red card by a PL ref? 

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Isnt he/she suggesting that the issue waant having to take Hedges off but bringing the useless De Neve on?

So who would you brought on? 

[joey_big_nose]

33 minutes ago, StHelensRover said:

That image is yet another embarrassment heaped on this football club.

It's also extremely 'memeable' and will no doubt come back to haunt him and us. You can now edit anything on to that sheet of paper for a laugh, maybe it will eventually be 'P45' come May, or maybe not.

I think we're being a bit precious.. he's having a go. The fans love it. I can't see the harm tbh. I'd have that over many other ways the manager can handle it.

[Wheelton Blue]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ismael is bang on about how appalling the referring standards are now. Refs are mostly clueless at this level. 

How did the ref missed the blatant red card yesterday or Whiteman's challenge not being a red card by a PL ref? 

So who would you brought on? 

All sides are impacted by the appallling standards. The good sides find ways to still win games.

And I very much doubt that Ismael would be bleating as he is, if we were winning games.

[DE.]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

So who would you brought on? 

Pickering or Ribeiro are the obvious answers. If you're defending a lead you bring on capable defensive players, not a player whose only attribute is speed. 

Edited 45 minutes ago by DE.

[arbitro]

39 minutes ago, StHelensRover said:

We don't have a choice, we have to accept them. We can't go back and 'correct' any bad decisions, so complaining is pointless. One angry manager's tirade won't change the level of reffing, regardless of how poor it is. 

Every team gets a handful of stinkers against them over the season, ours just seem to have come all in a short space of time.  It's bad luck, but crying about it on TV and using it as an excuse for being 18th in the league is pathetic imo.

When we eventually get one of those controversial decisions going in our favour, there is not a cat in hell's chance he will be on TV saying we didn't deserve to win, that were just very lucky and that refs are awful.

The suggestion that the referee was biased towards Ipswich because they were recently in the Premier League is extremely pathetic, so I won't accept those comments from a Blackburn Rovers manager, it's embarrassing. He will probably get a fine for this and he deserves it.

I still remember in the early 2000s when West Brom fans turned up at Ewood on the last day of the season and staged some bizarre protest against referees because they argued that they had been relegated because of bad decisions against them - Not because they had been shite. That's what this reminds me of. Laughable.

We can't do anything about them now only highlighting them and bringing them to the attention of the PGMO and I think those wheels will be in motion today.

For me it's borne out of frustration because an inordinate number of key decisions have gone against us.

I honestly don't see any harm in that.

[StHelensRover]

Appointed at the beginning of March, we're now into December.

This guy has managed 14 competitive matches at Ewood Park.

We have won 3 of them. It's an aberration.

During that time he's nodded along without complaint while his bosses have gutted the team of any experience and replaced players as cheaply as possible. One or two of the replacements look like they will make the grade (Alebiosu and Gudjohnsen), they'll probably be sold on as soon as possible at a profit. The majority are horrific and shouldn't be playing at this level

Now people are loving this manager because he's waved a sheet of paper on TV and screeched about referees. 3 home wins in 9 months is all because of referees is it? I do and don't want him sacked, can't make my mind up. He's useless and taking us nowhere, but the clowns who appointed him would only appoint another mediocre yes-man.

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

Against Wrexham he kept crossing the ball into the area instead of taking it to the corner in injury time  giving them possession back far too easily.

Last night, I would have to see the goal again but it looked like it came from his side again similar to the QPR one.

 

1 hour ago, philipl said:

Both 90+xth equalisers came through poor defending in the left back position when holding a 1-0 lead albeit Wrexham leading to the corner from which they scored.

Ribeiro is an accomplished left back, De Neve is on the pitch to run at and hopefully past opponents and a largely haphazard presence when in his own box.

I think the Ipswich player who scored deserves some credit for dropping his shoulder and coming inside. In my opinion it didn't matter who was close to him, the same thing would have happened.

[roversfan99]

23 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ismael is bang on about how appalling the referring standards are now. Refs are mostly clueless at this level. 

How did the ref missed the blatant red card yesterday or Whiteman's challenge not being a red card by a PL ref? 

So who would you brought on? 

They probably need VAR because you arent going to get a sudden improvement in referee quality. But we need to look closer to home at why we keep throwing away points. Its a club now built on excuses. Hard done by with the potential red card? Yes. (Although not having the Ohashi penalty shout or a corner/goal kick decision at the other end of the pitch) But I am more concerned and focused on our own problems and so should Ismael be.

Ribeiro would have made more sense. De Neve is like a few of the Rudy signings absolutely woeful. If Ismael genuinely wanted some of these players then that is especially worrying.

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

They probably need VAR because you arent going to get a sudden improvement in referee quality. But we need to look closer to home at why we keep throwing away points. Its a club now built on excuses. Hard done by with the potential red card? Yes. (Although not having the Ohashi penalty shout or a corner/goal kick decision at the other end of the pitch) But I am more concerned and focused on our own problems and so should Ismael be.

VAR isn't the answer but actually getting better officiating, we didn't have these problems 20 years ago when Refs actually ref the games properly 

Yes a clear penalty, FFS 

Its yourself finding excuses to not given your own club the right correct decisions 

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Ribeiro would have made more sense. De Neve is like a few of the Rudy signings absolutely woeful. If Ismael genuinely wanted some of these players then that is especially worrying.

I would have gone that way cos of jack Clarke not cos of De Neve 

 

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