... Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 9 minutes ago, davulsukur said: From memory we were looking at a RB for cover/competition with Brittain. Should we land one, I think JRC is gone. Trav and Tronstadt a negative pairing π«€ Quote
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chaddyrovers Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 15 minutes ago, JHRover said: You are the one who will use this signing as 'evidence' of us investing and spending on the squad and relying on the online reported fee for this. It's blatantly obvious that we aren't spending Β£2 million or anywhere near the that on this guy yet they've already succeeded in convincing some that we are throwing money around.Β And you will used every opportunity to downplay any investment in the squad.Β 2 journalists have had reported a similar fee so why not trust them? They have inside information whilst don't. Β 2 Quote
MarkBRFC Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago We need to get moving on a centre half or two, as things stand we only have Hyam and Carter who are senior players with Wharton still not being ready. 1 Quote
Blue blood Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said: More people are obsess about the fee actually is then the quality of the player.Β Ismael wants pace, ability to get box to box quickly and younger players can do this. Ismael spoke about profiling the right players and what they bring.Β Nzonzi was a great find by Rovers and his team got relegated from Ligue 2 or Samba from Hertha Berlin B team. We tried it with Telalovic but it didn't work out but pleased he is doing so well over there.Β Any thoughts on the difference between then and now, those doing the spotting?Β Maybe, just maybe, that might have a y'know influence on the liklihood of these signings being successful.Β 2 Quote
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 22 minutes ago, ... said: Trav and Tronstadt a negative pairing π«€ When you need one of those two to get up with and beyond the strikers occasionally- heβs right. Having said that Tronstad was getting more forward towards the end of last season. 1 Quote
Wheelton Blue Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Blue blood said: Any thoughts on the difference between then and now, those doing the spotting?Β Maybe, just maybe, that might have a y'know influence on the liklihood of these signings being successful.Β And the 'spotting' of the likes of Nzonzi and Samba 20 or so years ago, would most likely have been done the old school way. ie watching the players in person, rather than sat behind a desk. 5 Quote
Popular Post Mercer Posted 12 hours ago Popular Post Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 4 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Theres no way its close to Β£2m up front, the fee seems to have become a symptom of chinese whispers. He cost Β£400k a year ago and wasnt a regular for his team. He started 15 games and finished 2 of those. Would think we've probably given Moreirense their money back and promised more if he comes good and we win the PL and Champions' League!!!Β Perhaps this guy is their Leopold Wahlstedt!!! 2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: And you will used every opportunity to downplay any investment in the squad.Β 2 journalists have had reported a similar fee so why not trust them? They have inside information whilst don't. Β Chaddy you just don't get it do you?Β They have more than likely been spun a huge dose of bullsh1t and 'favours' have been called in!Β Why not trust sporting journalists - are you kidding everyone on here!?!?!? From what I have read about this lad and seen in the odd clip he is NOT THE BOX TO BOX Ismael wants and will be a piss poor replacement for either Travis or Tronstadt if and when they leave. De Neve and Sid, IMO, are not ready or good enough for the Championship.Β Carry on with signing players like this whilst losing the likes of Brittain, Batth, Travis and Tronstad and we will be done for by Christmas. Edited 10 hours ago by Mercer 10 Quote
... Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said: When you need one of those two to get up with and beyond the strikers occasionally- heβs right. Having said that Tronstad was getting more forward towards the end of last season. That was my thinking sonny was pushed a little further up but got the angle I guess Quote
roversfan99 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago I think its fair to have question marks over both, based on what we can ascertain. Tavares has very little senior experience and struggled to maintain a place in a mid table Portugese league team. He made 15 league starts, completed only 2 full games and theyve sold him a year after joining. We need attacking players who can help us to score more goals, on the face of it, De Neve doesnt have a track record that suggests he can help to rectify that. A versatile left sided player who was often played at full back, and has minimal goals or assists. Belgian journalists seem a bit surprised that a Championship side has come in for him. He has more senior experience than Tavares but doesnt seem to have pulled up any trees. Equally, to say they "are not good enough" seems totally unfounded and unfair.Β They are both quite young, and it may depend on what role they are expected to play. Seems a huge step up based on what they have done before to expect them to be regular starters on paper. We need to either keep hold of our key core of players or directly replace any departures.Β 4 Quote
Tugayisgod Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 13 minutes ago, Mercer said: Would think we've probably given Moreirense their money back and promised more if he comes come and we win the PL and Champions' League!!!Β Perhaps this guy is our Leopold Wahlstedt!!! Chaddy you just don't get it do you?Β They have more than likely been spun a huge dose of bullsh1t and 'favours' have been called in!Β Why not trust sporting journalists - are you kidding everyone on here!?!?!? From what I have read about this lad and seen in the odd clip he is NOT THE BOX TO BOX Ismael wants and will be a piss poor replacement for either Travis or Tronstadt if and when they leave. De Neve and Sid, IMO, are not ready or good enough for the Championship.Β Carry on with signing players like this whilst losing the likes of Brittain, Batth, Travis and Tronstad and we will be done for by Christmas. Except in his interview when asked what kind of midfield player he was, he described himself as a box to box player. So who do we believe ? Tough one thatΒ Edited 12 hours ago by Tugayisgod 4 Quote
davulsukur Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 50 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: JRC ain't a right back eitherΒ No he isn't but he won't be playing CM or in any attacking roles. So RB is the only place left for him. 1 Quote
roversfan99 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago It feels comparatively proactive to have 2 signings in at this point but considering Ismael wanted most business done by pre season, we are still well off. At right back, we need to sort 2 things out. At least one signing, and a conclusion to the Brittain deal, in which case potentially a replacement. At centre back, we still need 2. In central midfield, we need to sort out 2 contracts or replace.Β We need an attacking midfielder and a right winger, and we need another forward. So 6 signings, or maybe up to 9 if players leave.Β Goalkeeper, left back and left wing are the positions we have sorted and even then there are questions. Also a bit of trimming with Buckley and JRC becoming surplus to requirements. The inability to even offer contracts never mind sort them either way before this summer is a real issue. 5 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 30 minutes ago, Mercer said: Would think we've probably given Moreirense their money back and promised more if he comes come and we win the PL and Champions' League!!!Β Perhaps this guy is our Leopold Wahlstedt!!! Chaddy you just don't get it do you?Β They have more than likely been spun a huge dose of bullsh1t and 'favours' have been called in!Β Why not trust sporting journalists - are you kidding everyone on here!?!?!? From what I have read about this lad and seen in the odd clip he is NOT THE BOX TO BOX Ismael wants and will be a piss poor replacement for either Travis or Tronstadt if and when they leave. De Neve and Sid, IMO, are not ready or good enough for the Championship.Β Carry on with signing players like this whilst losing the likes of Brittain, Batth, Travis and Tronstad and we will be done for by Christmas. What are you basing your opinion on Iβd ask? YouTube highlights? and do you think those players listed we lose them all before Xmas - highly unlikelyΒ Quote
47er Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: It feels comparatively proactive to have 2 signings in at this point but considering Ismael wanted most business done by pre season, we are still well off. At right back, we need to sort 2 things out. At least one signing, and a conclusion to the Brittain deal, in which case potentially a replacement. At centre back, we still need 2. In central midfield, we need to sort out 2 contracts or replace.Β We need an attacking midfielder and a right winger, and we need another forward. So 6 signings, or maybe up to 9 if players leave.Β Goalkeeper, left back and left wing are the positions we have sorted and even then there are questions. Also a bit of trimming with Buckley and JRC becoming surplus to requirements. The inability to even offer contracts never mind sort them either way before this summer is a real issue. You're talking numbers there--I'm worried about quality. Doesn't matter how any players we sign if they aren't as good as the ones we are selling/giving away. 2 Quote
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 26 minutes ago, ... said: That was my thinking sonny was pushed a little further up but got the angle I guess Somebody needed to. There were times last season when we had 7 ( six outfield players plus the keeper ) that never got into the last third of the pitch. That leaves 4 players to make and score goals. A big ask, especially with the level of players we have. 1 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 45 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said: We need to get moving on a centre half or two, as things stand we only have Hyam and Carter who are senior players with Wharton still not being ready. Made this point several weeks ago that we only had 2 fit centre backs. So probably need 2 centre backs in not one if Batth doesn't re-sign here 32 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said: And the 'spotting' of the likes of Nzonzi and Samba 20 or so years ago, would most likely have been done the old school way. ie watching the players in person, rather than sat behind a desk. Most teams scout from Video using Wyscout to find players nowhere days cos you don't need at the game, travel arrangements and other costs involved now watch videos at home or at Brockhall.Β https://www.hudl.com/en_gb/products/wyscout 17 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said: Except in his interview when asked what kind of midfield player he was, he described himself as a box to box player. So who do we believe ? Tough one thatΒ Exactly. Gestede said we wanted a box to box player and he says he is 14 minutes ago, davulsukur said: No he isn't but he won't be playing CM or in any attacking roles. So RB is the only place left for him. I watched JRC come through from under 21 to the first team and he was attacking wide player. In the right team I would play him from the right side of the attack with an overlapping player 1 Quote
... Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago A little overlooked factor on Tavares is that he should settle in comfortably hopefully courtesy of Ribiero (both portuguese) and create a bit of a bond going forward 1 Quote
B16Rover Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 20 minutes ago, ... said: A little overlooked factor on Tavares is that he should settle in comfortably hopefully courtesy of Ribiero (both portuguese) and create a bit of a bond going forward Might be wrong but he's pretty much grown in entirely in EnglandΒ 6 Quote
B16Rover Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Both players look over the moon to join, hopefully that's not in disbeliefΒ Quote
Torgeir Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 2 hours ago, MarkBRFC said: We need to get moving on a centre half or two, as things stand we only have Hyam and Carter who are senior players with Wharton still not being ready. And Wharton shouldnβt be any more than a squad player either.Β 1 Quote
... Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 39 minutes ago, B16Rover said: Might be wrong but he's pretty much grown in entirely in EnglandΒ No I think you're right, speaks better Englandish than me Quote
... Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago Definitely cousins let's hope he plays as well as Nani Quote
RoversClitheroe Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago Mohamed Guindo apparently next. Know very little. Quote
bluebruce Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 2 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Tavares has very little senior experience and struggled to maintain a place in a mid table Portugese league team. He made 15 league starts, completed only 2 full games and theyve sold him a year after joining. He did however make 29 appearances total, and was subbed onto the pitch every single time he was on the bench. It suggests strongly that he and another player were being intentionally rotated to keep them fresh. It's not as damning as you make out. And if we really have paid 2 million Euros (dubious obviously but let's assume a second since it's the only fee reported) of course they've sold him a year after joining - that's 5 times what they paid. Knowing our lot, there is no way in hell our opening bid was anything like that. Which means they held out for a much bigger fee and weren't that keen to sell him. Quote
bluebruce Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 1 minute ago, RoversClitheroe said: Mohamed Guindo apparently next. Know very little. Source? 21 yr old forward, his team have just been promoted to the Belgian top tier. Scored 8 in 26 last season. Quote
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