Eternal Optimist Posted July 9 Posted July 9 Why does it necessarily have to be a Travis replacement?. We know how important it is to have a strong squad in the Championship and this has been half of our issue that we never have a decent bench to try and change games. This could mean we are selling Buckley, Rankin-Costello, Garrett? Our main midfield four options to start with could be Tronstad, Travis, TavaresΒ & Mannsverk - not dreadful by any means with a couple of youngsters under these four. Nothing to suggest we are selling Travis aside from lazy journalism linking him to Derby and Tronstad has said himself he wants to stay. We are more likely to let Travis walk for free next year than sell him this year. For now he is under contract for this coming season. Β 1 Quote
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roversfan99 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 Theres no way that we spend fees on 2 midfielders and keep Travis and Tronstad. Although if we did keep Travis and Tronstad, which considering we havent bothered to offer a deal to either which makes it incredibly unlikely. It would be a stupid allocation of our limited resources considering our weaknesses elsewhere. Especially our weak attack. 7 Quote
joey_big_nose Posted July 9 Posted July 9 9 hours ago, davulsukur said: Sounds like Mannsverk would be coming as a Tronstad replacement.Β No idea if he's any good but it's a risky move letting Tronstad go, he's a key component in our starting 11. Seems mad that we'd spend good money on tweaking centre mid, arguably out strongest position with Trav and Tronstad, when the right wing is in dire need of an upgrade. What I dont get is would a player of his pedigree really be looking for that much less wage than Travis is? Doesn'tΒ add up in terms of what our constraints seem to be financially? Quote
joey_big_nose Posted July 9 Posted July 9 8 hours ago, Rover down South said: Rumoured: Sivert Mannsverk 20 appearances, 1 assist & 0 goals playing first two games of the season for Ajax before moving on loan to Cardiff who were relegated finishing bottom of the Championship. Coincidentally that one assist was for the opening goal in our 2-1 loss to Cardiff! Ah makes sense, hes not in a good place so lower wages likely. Quote
MarkBRFC Posted July 9 Posted July 9 12 hours ago, Scotty1991 said: This has quite easily been the most pathetic summer transfer window of any in my lifetime.Β Β Bad bad times.Β This time last year we hadn't even got anyone through the door! 13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Theres no way that we spend fees on 2 midfielders and keep Travis and Tronstad. Although if we did keep Travis and Tronstad, which considering we havent bothered to offer a deal to either which makes it incredibly unlikely. It would be a stupid allocation of our limited resources considering our weaknesses elsewhere. Especially our weak attack. Maybe Val is going to go 3-6-1 next season. Midfield FC. Quote
philipl Posted July 9 Posted July 9 Central midfield is new guy, Trav and Tronstad plus JRC at a push. Assume Dolan is a goner so he needs replacing from the linking position.Β I believe the issue is Pasha has convinced Puna he can run the club on a 10k wage cap.Β So there will be no new contract deals for players whose contracts are expiring and they will all walk next summer unless their agents can rustle up a better transfer this summer. So is the Championship so replete with ownerships who are going to splash the dosh where we don't/won't? Dolan not being placed yet means this is possibly a live question. Perhaps Pasha has done his homework and concluded the Championship owners willing to slip our better players an extra couple of million over a three or four year period are rarer than we all think. The days when a Championship player could reliably pick up a significantly better wage at a mid range Non English club are slipping into history unless their surname is Bellingham. Β Quote
Popular Post roverblue Posted July 9 Popular Post Posted July 9 Our first fixture is 1 month today and our squad looks in the worst condition it has been in since we went down with Coyle. Unless there is a massive recruitment drive in the next 4 weeks we are going to have disadvantaged ourselves for a chance of points in the 5 games available in August or a potential 15 points.Β All because we are a complete circus. 13 Quote
philipl Posted July 9 Posted July 9 1 minute ago, roverblue said: Our first fixture is 1 month today and our squad looks in the worst condition it has been in since we went down with Coyle. Unless there is a massive recruitment drive in the next 4 weeks we are going to have disadvantaged ourselves for a chance of points in the 5 games available in August or a potential 15 points.Β All because we are a complete circus. Dolan hasn't made that big a difference has he? Weimann and Baath have more or less been replaced and there are signs, shock horror, of pace in the squad. Quote
davulsukur Posted July 9 Posted July 9 11 hours ago, DutchRover said: Mannsverk ought to be above us, and I don't think it's a coincidence the link appeared just after LT reported we haven't even offered deals for Trav/Tron/Brit. Frankly, I will only believe it if we actually sign him, otherwise it is usual club PR of "look we're trying we swear". There it is. Well spotted.Β Yeah, suspect timing on that link coming out, straight after the fans are fuming about our joke club not offering new contracts to our better players. So, file Mannsverk under the usual, of just being a name to make it look like we're actually doing something. 2 Quote
roverblue Posted July 9 Posted July 9 1 minute ago, philipl said: Dolan hasn't made that big a difference has he? Weimann and Baath have more or less been replaced and there are signs, shock horror, of pace in the squad. Theose are 3 proven championship level players, 2 of which are 2/3rd top scorers and one is our best defender. The 2 players that have been brought in are some unknown bargain basements that have no track record or experience at this level. None of the two signings replace Dolan or Batth? You could even argue Weimann hasn't been replaced given the Belgian has played mainly as a left wing back before joining us and has no record of goals or assists. 1 Quote
Torgeir Posted July 9 Posted July 9 Canβt see us bringing in Mannsverk and keeping both Trav and Tronstad. I think it makes sense if we can replace Trav with like for like transfer fee considering heβs out of contract in twelve months.Β Β Quote
Waggy76 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 We are going to be relegated !!! What is more, the owners couldn't care less !!! 4 Quote
Popular Post MarkBRFC Posted July 9 Popular Post Posted July 9 I think Mannsverk can be filed away with other names such as Sagnan, Kapaudi, Gassama etc. The days of signing players with that kind of pedigree are over, we just won't pay what it would take to get him. Β 13 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted July 9 Posted July 9 33 minutes ago, roverblue said: Our first fixture is 1 month today and our squad looks in the worst condition it has been in since we went down with Coyle. Unless there is a massive recruitment drive in the next 4 weeks we are going to have disadvantaged ourselves for a chance of points in the 5 games available in August or a potential 15 points.Β All because we are a complete circus. Whilst Iβm not happy at the running of the club etc to say the current squad is equal to coyles is simply just not trueΒ do we need replacements absolutely and hopefully some more experienced ones (jury is out on that one given rudys youngsters claim) but if season were to start tomorrow we still have a team/squad there capable of mid tableΒ obviously of Travis/tronstad or both go that could change the conversation but to say at present it is like coyles team is simply wrongΒ 2 Quote
MarkBRFC Posted July 9 Posted July 9 2 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Whilst Iβm not happy at the running of the club etc to say the current squad is equal to coyles is simply just not trueΒ do we need replacements absolutely and hopefully some more experienced ones (jury is out on that one given rudys youngsters claim) but if season were to start tomorrow we still have a team/squad there capable of mid tableΒ obviously of Travis/tronstad or both go that could change the conversation but to say at present it is like coyles team is simply wrongΒ Yep I agree with this. Said a few times that if the 4 lads out of contract stay this season and simply run down there deals, then we should be fairy competitive again, I think we would be nearer 17th than 7th, but don't think we would ever be in any real trouble. Take a couple of those out though and replace with more cheap foreign imports and we could be in trouble very quickly. 2 Quote
Popular Post Browjd Posted July 9 Popular Post Posted July 9 Transfer-related and seemingly a very simple solution to elite clubs poaching talent from strong academies:Β if a youngster spends 5+ years in a specific club academy, that academy should automatically retain a 10% clause on all the playerβs future transfers. This would turbocharge grassroots recruitment and ensure genuine benefits for clubs that invest in developing young talent. One for the new regulator to ponder? 14 Quote
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted July 9 Posted July 9 (edited) That just illustrates why trying to build a home grown team at our level is an impossibility. The best talent is spirited away before theyβve even played a first team game. Whatβs a million to teams like that, itβs nothing. Youβre just hoping that you can keep a couple of late developers that slip through the net. Edited July 9 by Tyrone Shoelaces 5 Quote
roverblue Posted July 9 Posted July 9 22 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Whilst Iβm not happy at the running of the club etc to say the current squad is equal to coyles is simply just not trueΒ do we need replacements absolutely and hopefully some more experienced ones (jury is out on that one given rudys youngsters claim) but if season were to start tomorrow we still have a team/squad there capable of mid tableΒ obviously of Travis/tronstad or both go that could change the conversation but to say at present it is like coyles team is simply wrongΒ I said since Coyle - agree his was worst. Our first 11 is good enough to compete at the lower end of the table but behind that it's dross and I am sure the club is eyeing more exits to pay the bills.Β 1 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 'We can trade academy players' Remember that line it's a new income steam being tapped aided by the likes of Nixon regularly advertising our very young potential talent before they've even hit the U18's. To be fair there must've been some good recruitment going on a kiddies level in recent years but we as fans will never see or feel any benefit from it, agents will....... 1 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted July 9 Posted July 9 2 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Theres no way that we spend fees on 2 midfielders and keep Travis and Tronstad. Although if we did keep Travis and Tronstad, which considering we havent bothered to offer a deal to either which makes it incredibly unlikely. It would be a stupid allocation of our limited resources considering our weaknesses elsewhere. Especially our weak attack. Our season fell apart when Travis and then Tronstad got injured. At a functional club you'd look to strengthen that department.Β 2 Quote
rovers11 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 I think it's becoming very clear neither Trav or Tronstad will be signing new deals. The noises around Brittain signing a new contract sound more positive though. The fact we're spending good money (by our standards) on central midfielders shows that we expect both Trav and Tronstad to leave, so (a) we need replacements through the door and (b) we can anticipate getting some money from the sale of those two.Β We just can't keep our best players and haven't been able to do so for some time now.Β I do think both are replaceable though and Tavares and the Ajax guy, if he comes, would add a bit more youth, agility and technical ability to our CM which wouldn't be a bad thing. For me, the success or failure of the window will come from who we sign in attacking positions. Not fussed about Dolan or Weimann leaving, we need better than those two (but will probably get worse!). 1 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted July 9 Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Whilst Iβm not happy at the running of the club etc to say the current squad is equal to coyles is simply just not trueΒ do we need replacements absolutely and hopefully some more experienced ones (jury is out on that one given rudys youngsters claim) but if season were to start tomorrow we still have a team/squad there capable of mid tableΒ obviously of Travis/tronstad or both go that could change the conversation but to say at present it is like coyles team is simply wrongΒ Assuming absolutely nobody gets injured or loses form. Quote
Hasta Posted July 9 Posted July 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, philipl said: Dolan hasn't made that big a difference has he? Weimann and Baath have more or less been replaced and there are signs, shock horror, of pace in the squad. Baath clearly hasn't been replaced. And time will tell if we have replaced Weimann's "goal every 210 minutes" contribution from last season. But I'd be surprised if we have. Β Β Edited July 9 by Hasta Quote
roversfan99 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 11 minutes ago, rovers11 said: I think it's becoming very clear neither Trav or Tronstad will be signing new deals. The noises around Brittain signing a new contract sound more positive though. The fact we're spending good money (by our standards) on central midfielders shows that we expect both Trav and Tronstad to leave, so (a) we need replacements through the door and (b) we can anticipate getting some money from the sale of those two.Β We just can't keep our best players and haven't been able to do so for some time now.Β I do think both are replaceable though and Tavares and the Ajax guy, if he comes, would add a bit more youth, agility and technical ability to our CM which wouldn't be a bad thing. For me, the success or failure of the window will come from who we sign in attacking positions. Not fussed about Dolan or Weimann leaving, we need better than those two (but will probably get worse!). Do the noises around Brittain sound positive? I also think you underestimate the importance of Travis and Tronstad. Especially losing both at the same time. We already needed a midfielder so if they both go we need 2 more on top of the one we already have. 1 Quote
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