2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

And what happens when Cantwell is unavailable if Tyjon is NOT ready? Then we are just left with a big hole in our team.

We dont know if he is ready full stop, but especially physically. This is a young lad who has had injury problems at under 21 level, can he sustain consecutive games at senior level?

Also, has he got one year left on his deal? Is he actually likely to be our player beyond next summer? Especially with agent Nixon on the case.

Wharton was an exceptional talent, but even then, he was in and out at first. We cant expect everyone to be like Wharton, most are not.

The first time I saw Wharton play I thought-  wow, this kid is special. The first time I saw Tyjon play I thought - mm, he could turn out to be decent.

[RevidgeBlue]

5 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Not many 17 year old kids are physically ready for twice a week mens Championship football. The Wayne Rooney’s don’t come along often. From what I seen of the lad he’s quite slight in build.

You manage his minutes if he looks like he's struggling.

Should be able to play every day at that age.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

You manage his minutes if he looks like he's struggling.

Should be able to play every day at that age.

Why aren’t they then ?   I remember Johnny Byrom scoring hat tricks in the old First Division at a similar age but the game has moved on a lot since then. 

[Paul Mani]

1 hour ago, Forever Blue said:

Personally I think there is a need for a No10 as any injury to Cantwell will leave us short. Unless Tyjon is viewed as good enough to step up on a regular basis. Not seen him play but seems a big ask of a 17yo. I suppose Ohashi could play there but to me he’s better as a striker.

We probably also need another striker and a RM/RW. 

Just shows how valuable Dolan was cos he could fill every position in the front 4. 
 

True, just REALLY badly! 🙈🤣

[davulsukur]

11 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Not many 17 year old kids are physically ready for twice a week mens Championship football. The Wayne Rooney’s don’t come along often. From what I seen of the lad he’s quite slight in build.

Agreed, I suspect to start with he'll be coming off the bench for Cantwell, playing in behind the striker. He might start the early cup games. 

Got to see how it goes with him but needless to say, if he's not even getting off the bench regularly at the very least, he'll probably be off to Arsenal at the first opportunity

[Exiled_Rover]

13 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The first time I saw Wharton play I thought-  wow, this kid is special. The first time I saw Tyjon play I thought - mm, he could turn out to be decent.

For the U21s or the first team?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

5 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Agreed, I suspect to start with he'll be coming off the bench for Cantwell, playing in behind the striker. He might start the early cup games. 

Got to see how it goes with him but needless to say, if he's not even getting off the bench regularly at the very least, he'll probably be off to Arsenal at the first opportunity

The way I look at it is - if he’s good enough he’ll get in, if he isn’t he won’t. We can’t be playing somebody who isn’t ready just in case he might sod off to the Premiership at some unknown time in the future.

Edited 4 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[alex l]

Ohashi would also be an option in the ten role, but it pushes the shortage to the striker position, although at least Gueye is a senior player and 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, Exiled_Rover said:

For the U21s or the first team?

In the first team.

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, TheRevAshton said:

Think 4 more does it personally;

RW (Perm) - Someone quick and tricky. A left-footer who can cut in would be my preference.
CAM (Perm) - Moussa Baradji still in the balance, suppose there will always be concerns over this injury. Personally hope we still pursue him though, looks good.
CB (Loan) - A young PL loan would work here, maybe that Fredricson from United?
ST (Loan) - Someone who can play anywhere across the front line is ideal, would love Jayden Danns.

Anything else after that is a bonus for me. Of course there's a huge caveat in relation to keeping our current key players, anyone sold will need to be adequately replaced on top of the above.

What calibre of loan are you going to get if they're not guaranteed much playing time?

A CB, unless he's the next Ferdinand, isn't going to play. Same for a ST. RW is the only real open spot for a talented loanee.

[joey_big_nose]

16 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

What calibre of loan are you going to get if they're not guaranteed much playing time?

A CB, unless he's the next Ferdinand, isn't going to play. Same for a ST. RW is the only real open spot for a talented loanee.

Not sure I agree with your point on the CB front - we have signed good prem loans who did not arrive as guaranteed starters - e.g. Van Heck, James Hill etc.

[AspRover]

I guess a sideways squad filler from another championship/relegated last year team like we had in the lads from Stoke and Birmingham last year - someone who will go from not playing at all because of an imbalanced squad/selection restrictions or who doesn't want to play in league 1 but their team is confident of getting promoted so want's to keep them long term (ie. someone from Luton).

They might take being a rotation/cover option here over that.

All the good premier league loans we have had have gone in and been first team starters from the get go, the ones who have come in as squad rotation have been generally poor.

[Exiled_Rover]

5 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Not sure I agree with your point on the CB front - we have signed good prem loans who did not arrive as guaranteed starters - e.g. Van Heck, James Hill etc.

Van Heck took a while to get going - I thought Hill was awful at CB, much better at RB.

[Lancaster Rover]

Only issue with Prem Loan's on the wing is they have tended to be lightweight and not cut out for mens football (yet), unless we get someone who is stupidly quick they end up getting lost and/or forced to turn back or cut in all the time.

[Forever Blue]

53 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

True, just REALLY badly! 🙈🤣

His goals and assists last season would suggest otherwise…and that was in a team set up defensively. 

I was never his biggest fan till last season but I think he’s a genuine goal threat at Championship level. 

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You manage his minutes if he looks like he's struggling.

Should be able to play every day at that age.

If you're managing his minutes then you need another #10. Cantwell has proven he can't consistently play twice a week.

We need an option on the bench / for that midweek game that we can rely on. Tyjon can be in the mix, but if he's not ready to grab the job with both hands we need another.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

As our options retaining young players are limited and If we are giving Tyjon a clear first team pathway -almost guaranteeing him games - then it should only be on the condition he signs a pro deal before the season starts.  Otherwise, we develop him for 12 months and lose him for peanuts.  If he won't sign, withdraw the pathway and let him tootle off to Arsenal or wherever. 

That would lay down a marker for other young players coming through. Just a thought.

 

Ismael sat down with Tyjon and his parents to sit out his pathway and how he wants to use him this season and long term. 

That's how we will convince him to stay here long term is being part of the first team 

[philipl]

3 hours ago, KentExile said:

 

 

 

Elliott Jackson, take a bow, 3 people read the same article and come to 3 seperate conclusions

Clear as mud 😉 

Communication truly is a dying art

But great for keeping BRFCS message board ticking over.

I read Ismael as needing forward(s) plus two or three in other positions.

So between 4 and 6 more signings.

Anyone told Pasha???? 

PS no loans yet plus noises coming out of Boro point to them being willing to pay silly money to land Brittain...

 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

True, just REALLY badly! 🙈🤣

Clearly not true.

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ismael sat down with Tyjon and his parents to sit out his pathway and how he wants to use him this season and long term. 

That's how we will convince him to stay here long term is being part of the first team 

So not a contract. Conversations wont stand for anything when his contract expires.

 

[Dreams of 1995]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You manage his minutes if he looks like he's struggling.

Should be able to play every day at that age.

This isn't a kick about up the park to be fair Rev.

Even in the paltry 'kids football' as it is coined around here, the miles and high intensity sprints that footballers are expected to do these days are incredible.

A lot of league 2/1 players survive because of their physicality; you'll find some magnificent technical players in the National League and below but they won't have that natural fitness to survive professional football.

It has moved on from being able to play every day at whatever age you play at now. 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If you dont play him, you'll never know!

Agree with other posters, if you're good enough you're old enough. I think his is a different argument to the one about any old academy player being put in for the sake of it to get the minutes up.

That is just an overused cliche. He is very young and has had injuries (perhaps part of growing) even playing for the Under 21s. 

All I propose is adding a player to compete with Cantwell. As it stands, if he is unavailable, we would have to flog Tyjon and dismissing the outdated notion that "hes a young lad, he should be able to play every day", we dont know if he could physically sustain that sort of workload at senior level. He struggled in academy football. 

Bringing someone in would prevent that and we can use Tyjon when we want to. Theres still scope for plenty of football for him, and he can still earn a place. We ultimately also dont know if he is up to it quality wise yet at Championship level.

Well, all the above depends on his future. If he wont commit then it makes little sense to put so much work into developing him.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ismael sat down with Tyjon and his parents to sit out his pathway and how he wants to use him this season and long term. 

That's how we will convince him to stay here long term is being part of the first team 

No really good young player is going to stay at Rovers long term. Those days are long gone. If we couldn’t keep somebody like Adam Wharton we won’t be able to keep anyone.

[TimmyJimmy]

2 hours ago, Neal said:

It's stuff like this that makes the banning of peptides even more ridiculous. 

It's a great debate to have. Not sure it would help though even if legal.  I understand (adjunctive therapies defo NOT my expertise) that some emerging research suggests that certain peptides, particularly growth hormone (like BPC157 or TB500, again, so I'm told), MAY play a role in accelerating tissue repair and reducing inflammation.

It's certainly not NHS approved! :-) and they're not part of standard UK medical practice and best considered 'experimental or off-label'.

Anyway as you say they're banned in competitive sports and probably carry longer term risks for the player.

He's got what he's got and my guess is it's something that won't go away, so one for us to avoid.

But, what do I know, play and pay may be worth a punt to lessen our risk, could be a Hail Mary that pays off.

[London blue]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ismael sat down with Tyjon and his parents to sit out his pathway and how he wants to use him this season and long term. 

That's how we will convince him to stay here long term is being part of the first team 

Nah I'm sorry that's not good enough.

The club have to start acting in a way that either protects assets or maximises the output of the squad.

If he's ready to start contributing but hasn't signed a contract I have no interest in developing him this year for him to walk to Arsenal at the end of it. 

If these talks have been held then he'll know what is on the table. Sign and play, otherwise he should be used as and when required and no more.