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Posted
6 minutes ago, Bohinen1983 said:

Season imploded when we lost Batth..  What a difference he makes. Carter and Hyam just don't seem that compatible for some reason..  With him being in the final year of his contract I'd sell Hyam and bring in two other centre half's .. Loan out Wharton and let him get up to speed..

Buckley, JRC, Foreshaw, Woodrow and Pears should be moved on to generate some funds to re-invest..

Said it since we lost Rothwell, we need a ball carrying centre midfielder.. 

Dolan's going to need replacing and another striker...

Then we'll need all those squad players replacing as well.. 

Should be an 'interesting' summer...

We'll sell Brittain, one of Trav and Trondstadt, Pears and maybe even Hyam..

JRC and Bucko fill in those gaps- youth GK and the fit again Wharton steps up as back-up for Batth and Carter..  

For me, the big loss was Tronstad. When I saw his hamstring go, I immediately had a heavy heart.

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Wheels wobbled on the truck when Baker left. Good player. They came off when Eustace bailed. We finished well, 7th hurts but not too shabby taken in context. One gets promoted from the 4 play off teams, it was never going to be us.

Kargbo will come good, needs proper coaching. Dennis, please go. Dolan, please stay.

Venkys do one, waggott etc do likewise.

VI and backroom staff have earned the right to have a punt next season.

Academy, look out we're coming for your kids.

Onward and hopefully upward :-( yes I know, whistling in the dark but you know, Rovers supporter and all that.

Laters.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Waggy76 said:

The blame lies at the owners door! 

Venkys Out! 

 

2 hours ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

Pretty close.  

Look at the significant investment  in Jan.  

Woodrow, Kargbo, Dennis.  How many goals and assists from them? 

Shite.

Venkys out

Indeed. It's all down to Venkys. Anything after them is all secondary. 

January's lack of proper investment in the transfer window cost Rovers a decent manager and a shot at the playoffs. Forshaw, Woodrow, Sanderson, Dennis, and Kargbo were brought in and contributed very little. Trying to defend those signings as positive is shameful.

Tronstad's injury didn't help.

What about results that contributed?

Losing to a 97th minute goal away to Rooney's Plymouth.  

1 point from 6 from 2 home games over Christmas. 2-2 v. Sunderland followed by a loss to Hull 3 days later.

4 losses and a draw in March against the dross of the division. 

The awful and frankly bewildering fact that Rovers have lost 12 straight matches away at promoted teams.

Also, the similarly puzzling years long low win rate in midweek away games. 

Posted

Of the squad if I were to comment as if this moment 

Another year 

Travis

batth

weimann 

I would keep Dolan but I’m pretty sure he is away 

I’d get rid of 

pears 

hedges- for the love of god please 

Buckley 

markanday

gueye

none are good enough 

may generate some interest-

brittain- hope he stays, my player of the season 

id probably be happy enough if hyam went 

fairly confident they will be here next year 

riberio

toth- he needs competition but seems like he deserves chance to claim number 1

carter 

cantwell 

ohashi 

tronstadt

wharton 

kargbo

loans or short term deals - no returns. Really like beck but not a position we need now 

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, JCRovers said:

Dennis 2 (Dolan) - horrible. Decision making was horrendous from his part. Doesn't even look fit? Instead of utilizing his pace, he opted for a pass on many occasions.

Thought he held on to it too much, and ruined a couple possible breakaways in last few minutes. 

Was almost like a brainfreeze that he couldn’t decide what to do.

Get he was going to be rusty after the layoff, but he shouldn't look so confused by having possession of a football. 

Either pass it, dribble it, try knock it past a man. But don't just stand there doing nothing! Was infuriating. 

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28 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

They're both equally bad going forward in my opinion. Dolan is energetic but his lack of football intelligence is frustrating. Another annoying trait of Dolan is that he possesses good acceleration in tight areas but doesn't have enough pace to beat his man at longer distances. Thought he was an exciting talent when he first broke through the team but it looks more and more likely that Championship will be peak level in his career. Hedges? Squad player at best.

You must be watching a different team to me.

Dolan has been our best player for the last few weeks and been involved in almost every goal we've scored recently, including scoring some. Put them both up for sale,he'd fetch a lot more money.

 

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11 minutes ago, M_B said:

You must be watching a different team to me.

Dolan has been our best player for the last few weeks and been involved in almost every goal we've scored recently, including scoring some. Put them both up for sale,he'd fetch a lot more money.

 

I make judgements based on 46 games, not 6. He's out of contract in the summer and knows that he'll attract interest in the Championship if he puts in one or two good performances before transfer window opens. Does that make him a consistent performer or a good player all of a sudden? No.

Given that contract negotiations have stalled for over 18 months, the club should've sold him last summer to avoid another one going basically for free. But then again, that money would've just disappeared into a black hole like the fees recovered from Szmodics and Wharton.

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A strange, bumpy ride of a season overall. Getting about fed up of Rovers going to Brammall Lane and getting my hopes up when they score a goal. Despite taking the lead, it never felt like Rovers would win the game. They simply didn't do enough in the final third. The substitutions made it all to glaringly obvious just how poor January recruitment was, and each felt a little desperate. Sadly I don't think Ismael got the timings of any of the subs quite right, and none of them really looked like changing the game. I'll give Kargbo the benefit of the doubt, he clearly needs a solid pre-season and a run of games. Dennis has been the biggest disappointment of the season. I am embarrassed to have written Toth off after the Coventry and Wolves games. He is far better than Pears based on this recent run in the team, and I hope he gets the number 1 shirt for next season.

Ultimately the top 6 finish was not decided today, it was in the 5 defeats in a row under Ismael and the home defeats to Hull and Stoke under Eustace. Hell, even a last minute winner in the 2-2 draw against Sheffield Wednesday would've been enough. Not that I think we would've tippled Sheffield United across two legs, but I look at Coventry finishing 5th and taking on a badly out of form Sunderland and I think what a missed opportunity.

In a lot of ways I am relieved its over for 3 months but I do dread next season just as I dreaded this one, so in some ways its been a pleasant surprise to not have any relegation fears for 12 months. I was listening to Kevin Gallacher on Radio Lancs talking about how its been progress compared to last season....well on paper it has, but we all know that for Rovers (and several other Championship clubs) they essentially press the reset button in the close season and its like starting all over again. The turnover of players will be big again I imagine, and come the first game of the season it will feel like a blank canvas in the same way that this season was. I look at Cardiff missing out on the playoffs last season and how they've gone down this time round; a club with terrible owners that don't seem to know what they're doing....it certainly rings a few bells. Finishing 7th ultimately doesn't mean anything in this division.

At the start of this season I went into it just hoping they'd stay up. I hate to be a downer but next season I think I will feel the same, because I do not trust those running the club to give me hopes of anything better. I obviously want Rovers to get promoted and win the league, but sadly the lack of ambition from the club has driven me to simply hope for survival each year.

Positives to take into next season:

  • Ohashi - good first season in English football, finishing as club top scorer. With a rest and a full pre-season I am hopefully he will kick on next time round.
  • Toth - Ends the season well and deserving of the number 1 shirt after seemingly having found his feet / hands at the club.
  • Batth - His absence was huge and a difference maker for all the wrong reasons. He may be another year older next season but he'll be an important player to retain.
  • Travis / Tronstad partnership - For the most part they have been great together. Need to keep them both.
  • Brittain - His best season at Rovers and has become a key player.
  • Ribeiro - Although not great today, we have some solid competition with him and Pickering at LB.
  • Weimann - Turned out a decent signing and popped up with crucial goals. If he'd stayed fit then he may have notched a couple more and been the difference.

Negatives / concerns with the squad going into next season:

  • Recruitment has been poor overall. Summer transfer window was better than January. Summer was about a 6/10, January was a 0/10.
  • Gueye - Not done enough overall to lead the line (although he managed to score more than Sam Gallagher).
  • Hedges - Not good enough to start.
  • Dolan - Ended the season well but he won't be at the club next season, so obviously a concern.
  • Pears - Not good enough to be first choice keeper. Needs selling.
  • Cantwell - Hasn't done enough overall, just little glimpses of quality here and there but nowhere near enough. Needs to do much better next season (if still at the club).
  • Carter - Injury prone. People see him as a potential saleable asset but he can't stay fit, and he and Hyam together seems to result in conceding goals. 
  • JRC & Buckley - Two players that are clearly not good enough. I am assuming that they will both be shipped off given they're been omitted from match day squads recently.
  • Ismael - Turned the death spiral round albeit too late....but his lack of longevity at any club will remain a cause for concern.


Apologies for the wall of text. I wish you all a great summer, I commend the support of the fans that make the long hard trips up and down the country to watch Rovers, and hopefully next season the team can go one better.

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Posted
2 hours ago, alex l said:

Wasn't even that header that annoyed me, I understand how they can be difficult to direct and not every player has the technique. On the other hand, the ball to the back stick where he touched it to their keeper... Either try to be van basten and shoot or smash it across goal to create chaos/a chance. Don't do fuck all with it. 

I said to my lad at the time that i wasn't sure what he was trying to do with that

Did he try to cross it,shoot or control it to shoot?

 

Not sure he knows tbh complete waste of money that bloke

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Posted
17 minutes ago, TheFinalCountdown said:

Anyone heard Kevin Gallacher on Radio Lancs? Couldn't believe my ears. I think he's on the Suhail Payroll.

I remember he stood up for K##n before the Wigan game too. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002bxk5?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Yeah I heard him talking about how this season has been progress. Technically its true if you look at the league table...but we all know that not to be the case. High player turnover this summer again, no decent budget to work with on transfers and a general apathy from the club hierarchy, we're basically back to where we were last summer without a Sammie Szmodics to sell for a few million quid. It might've been progress on the pitch, but it continues to be a regression off it...and that will inevitable catch up with the club eventually (looking at Cardiff and Reading here). Results tend to paper over the cracks behind the scenes, and that's what this season feels like. You can only give it the 'landlord treatment' for so long before those cracks become too big to paper over.

 

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The game was drawn because of lack of serious attacking threat. Dolan was hardly in the game today. Hedges was ok but was playing way too deep. Ohashi strove manfully with hardly any service. Then the subs came on and actually made us worse. Kargbo looked like an Olympic sprinter who’d not actually played football since he left school. Just no football brain at all. Gueye hardly saw the ball and Dennis was just awful. That was a good headed chance he put wide.

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9 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

I make judgements based on 46 games, not 6. He's out of contract in the summer and knows that he'll attract interest in the Championship if he puts in one or two good performances before transfer window opens. Does that make him a consistent performer or a good player all of a sudden? No.

Given that contract negotiations have stalled for over 18 months, the club should've sold him last summer to avoid another one going basically for free. But then again, that money would've just disappeared into a black hole like the fees recovered from Szmodics and Wharton.

Its the comparison with Hedges I've an issue with, and always have when people make it. It's always Hedges and Dolan as if they come as a pair.

Hedges is nowhere near.

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Posted
19 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

A strange, bumpy ride of a season overall. Getting about fed up of Rovers going to Brammall Lane and getting my hopes up when they score a goal. Despite taking the lead, it never felt like Rovers would win the game. They simply didn't do enough in the final third. The substitutions made it all to glaringly obvious just how poor January recruitment was, and each felt a little desperate. Sadly I don't think Ismael got the timings of any of the subs quite right, and none of them really looked like changing the game. I'll give Kargbo the benefit of the doubt, he clearly needs a solid pre-season and a run of games. Dennis has been the biggest disappointment of the season. I am embarrassed to have written Toth off after the Coventry and Wolves games. He is far better than Pears based on this recent run in the team, and I hope he gets the number 1 shirt for next season.

Ultimately the top 6 finish was not decided today, it was in the 5 defeats in a row under Ismael and the home defeats to Hull and Stoke under Eustace. Hell, even a last minute winner in the 2-2 draw against Sheffield Wednesday would've been enough. Not that I think we would've tippled Sheffield United across two legs, but I look at Coventry finishing 5th and taking on a badly out of form Sunderland and I think what a missed opportunity.

In a lot of ways I am relieved its over for 3 months but I do dread next season just as I dreaded this one, so in some ways its been a pleasant surprise to not have any relegation fears for 12 months. I was listening to Kevin Gallacher on Radio Lancs talking about how its been progress compared to last season....well on paper it has, but we all know that for Rovers (and several other Championship clubs) they essentially press the reset button in the close season and its like starting all over again. The turnover of players will be big again I imagine, and come the first game of the season it will feel like a blank canvas in the same way that this season was. I look at Cardiff missing out on the playoffs last season and how they've gone down this time round; a club with terrible owners that don't seem to know what they're doing....it certainly rings a few bells. Finishing 7th ultimately doesn't mean anything in this division.

At the start of this season I went into it just hoping they'd stay up. I hate to be a downer but next season I think I will feel the same, because I do not trust those running the club to give me hopes of anything better. I obviously want Rovers to get promoted and win the league, but sadly the lack of ambition from the club has driven me to simply hope for survival each year.

Positives to take into next season:

  • Ohashi - good first season in English football, finishing as club top scorer. With a rest and a full pre-season I am hopefully he will kick on next time round.
  • Toth - Ends the season well and deserving of the number 1 shirt after seemingly having found his feet / hands at the club.
  • Batth - His absence was huge and a difference maker for all the wrong reasons. He may be another year older next season but he'll be an important player to retain.
  • Travis / Tronstad partnership - For the most part they have been great together. Need to keep them both.
  • Brittain - His best season at Rovers and has become a key player.
  • Ribeiro - Although not great today, we have some solid competition with him and Pickering at LB.
  • Weimann - Turned out a decent signing and popped up with crucial goals. If he'd stayed fit then he may have notched a couple more and been the difference.

Negatives / concerns with the squad going into next season:

  • Recruitment has been poor overall. Summer transfer window was better than January. Summer was about a 6/10, January was a 0/10.
  • Gueye - Not done enough overall to lead the line (although he managed to score more than Sam Gallagher).
  • Hedges - Not good enough to start.
  • Dolan - Ended the season well but he won't be at the club next season, so obviously a concern.
  • Pears - Not good enough to be first choice keeper. Needs selling.
  • Cantwell - Hasn't done enough overall, just little glimpses of quality here and there but nowhere near enough. Needs to do much better next season (if still at the club).
  • Carter - Injury prone. People see him as a potential saleable asset but he can't stay fit, and he and Hyam together seems to result in conceding goals. 
  • JRC & Buckley - Two players that are clearly not good enough. I am assuming that they will both be shipped off given they're been omitted from match day squads recently.
  • Ismael - Turned the death spiral round albeit too late....but his lack of longevity at any club will remain a cause for concern.


Apologies for the wall of text. I wish you all a great summer, I commend the support of the fans that make the long hard trips up and down the country to watch Rovers, and hopefully next season the team can go one better.

I agree with most of that. I'd argue the recruitment in the summer was excellent considering the miniscule budget.

Gueye cops far too much stick on here - we're a different proposition as a team when he's on the pitch, he gives us physicality and an out ball (not to mention how good he is defensively on set pieces). Ohashi doesn't provide that - and neither will Leonard (if he ever plays for us again).

Cantwell flattered to deceive at times, but he really is playing with crap wide players who offer him nothing. He needs to be taken off set pieces and just given license to play a free role as a #10. 

The January recruitment was diabolical (although I quite like Sanderson and Ribeiro) and the reason we ultimately missed out on the Playoffs - and a factor in Eustace making us look like a laughing stock by going to Derby. 

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12 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The game was drawn because of lack of serious attacking threat. Dolan was hardly in the game today. Hedges was ok but was playing way too deep. Ohashi strove manfully with hardly any service. Then the subs came on and actually made us worse. Kargbo looked like an Olympic sprinter who’d not actually played football since he left school. Just no football brain at all. Gueye hardly saw the ball and Dennis was just awful. That was a good headed chance he put wide.

We had it the right way round earlier in the season - Gueye starting games and battering the CBs and Ohashi coming on at 70 mins to try and nick a goal against tired legs. 

It doesn't work the other way round, Gueye isn't an impact sub (partly 'cos we rarely cross the ball into the box). 

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If the club or Venkys gave Dunn or Gallagher a turd in a cone instead of an ice cream they'd just sprinkle candy and raspberry sauce on it then say it's not that bad.

They are footballs old boys club and will always speak from the side their bread is buttered although to be fair iv'e heard Gallagher be critical at times as well.

As we knew it would the near miss at the end has provided them with ample opportunity to sugar coat all the shortcomings but it was worth the trade off i'd much rather have this than Mowbray or Bowyers limping along just good enough is enough scenarios.

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So near, yet so far away from the play offs.

Think the three stooges royally fecked us with their crass management - driving out yet another good manager and failing to strengthen in the window.

What came out of today:

  • We didn't really carry a threat
  • We aren't good enough, SU would have mauled us in the semi
  • IMO, we spunked money up the wall on Dennis and Woodrow - feckin awful signings
  • We can do way, way better than Forshaw
  • Karbo looks very, very raw and I would question if he has an ounce of football intelligence
  • THE BIG PLUS, at last, we have a goalie!  Toth impressed me with every aspect of his game - Pears should never wear the shirt again.

I really dread to think what shape we will be in come the new season.

A day that started promising so much, a robin on the garden wall, a 'Moscow Mule' to savour in blissful sunshine, dream land at about 1:45 but as flat as a witch's t1t come 2:30.

On to the BBQ now with some great meats to cook and some fine reds to uncork - the pain will be dulled soon.

 

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Ishmael has done enough so that we don't need to be looking to sack him, there's enough trust to give him a go to shape the squad. However, there is little trust that those involved in the signing process will give him what he wants. Trying to be objective - Ohashi, gueye to an extend, cantwell to an extent, Yuri, beck, bath, weimann - successes. Baker also to an extent. 

Sanderson and Forshaw - I don't think they've done anything which will make them be missed. 

Acd - awful. Too early for the young lad, may have been better in L1. 

Posted
1 hour ago, TheFinalCountdown said:

Anyone heard Kevin Gallacher on Radio Lancs? Couldn't believe my ears. I think he's on the Suhail Payroll.

I remember he stood up for K##n before the Wigan game too. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002bxk5?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

His points about progress from last season to this season are valid points and true. I dont get the problem with his comments about progress this season 

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