[Archived] Bolton vs Rovers

[Andy]

Footballers probably have more of a duty of professionalism, being role models for kids and always in the public view.

You simply cannot act like that and expect no comeback.

[LDRover]

The Rovers fan who asked for it, as now got to get down to the training ground and go and face Scot Dann thats the only solution. The fan maybe terrified but I think when he gets down there he'll find a very different Scot Dann to the one at the Reebok.

So, no excuses whoever you are (the fan) get down to Brockhall tomorrow, and no complaining, as you've already done that.

As for Bolton's first goal the ball skimmed off the big French lads head so no blame can be attached to Dann for that goal, unless that is you've never played football before.

Interesting that, I didn't realise marking fresh air and giving your opposite number a free header 6 yards out was the way to go these days.

The game must really have changed.

[Rishton blue]

Footballers probably have more of a duty of professionalism, being role models for kids and always in the public view.

You simply cannot act like that and expect no comeback.

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I'm not saying what he did should be accepted but footballers come from all sorts of backgrounds, good, bad or indifferent. If messi played for rovers but was a scumbag beating people up every weekend do you think we'd get rid? Doubt it

[thenodrog]

Neither would it if Dann had put a proper shift in.

Doesn't work like that. Players have good and bad matches and no one knows how they will play until the whistle goes at the start. Sometimes your game just flows and first touch is superb and sometimes it just never gets going and the more you try the worse you go. Happens at every level and imo the biggest form swings with the Rovers players happen most with MGP and Hoilett. Sometimes they are poor, sometimes Ped is at the start of everything and makes things happen and sometimes Hoilett is simply unplayable.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Parsonblue's match report is published to the front page here.

Much thanks for that Parson. The usual shrewd analysis.

[Ossydave]

Just because Dann is a footballer he's still a normal human being, if someone starts giving u grief its normal to return the favour. I'm guessing he slightly regrets his comments, but they were said in the heat of the moment - it happens to us all! Once again people are acting like scousers being enraged by something and bloody nothing.

[Mercer]

Caught up tonight with a handful of supporters (from both camps) who went yesterday. I thought we were very poor yesterday based on parts of the match that I saw and some of the posts on here but feckin hell, I didn't realise just how bad we were. Interestingly enough, the Bolton lads had a real fear about us yesterday especially having seen some of the stuff that Hoilett had done recently and with Yak in support. Understandably, the Bolton lads are cock-a-hoop and confident of survival but, after yesterday, they don't rate our chances - was no gloating at all, as they want as many NW teams in the PL as possible including Burnley !

[PAFELL]

Jut to say, scott Dann was disgraceful tonight towards me and my 2 friends. We were stood by the coach, had a photo with Rochina and spoke to a few of the other players like goodwillie, yakubu, petrovic. Then Dann came out. My friend said "worst player on the pitch", Dann then stopped signing an autograph and asked my friend to repeat himself, which he did

Dann then proceeded to call all 3 of us every name under the sun and I asked him who he thought he was and that my friends quip was only an opinion. He carried on abusing us, to which we stood up to and then to top it all of he said "come down to the training ground Monday and I'll bang you all"

The stewards then asked us to move which we did straight away

There were many children present and his behaviour was awful, disgraceful and a bad sign for BRFC

I suppose when somebody comes up to you and confronts you. You will always act in a well mannered way. Not condoning the behaviour, if it happened. We all know how we 'should act', but do not always do what we should. There used to be a time when a bloke would not use foul language in front of women and Kids. But that went out the window years ago - not saying it is right - but a fact of life today. Women and kids attend football matches, where there is always bad language either spoken, chanted, etc.

There are rovers supporters who have been giving racial abuse to their fellow Rovers supporters at away matches. This bhaviour is far worse than what Dann may or may not have done. It would not surprise me that if given the opportunity, he would appolgise - just as we would when we screw up at times. The size of a wage packet does not make a person less human.

If Dann did what you say, it does not make it right. But natural human behaviour when confronted. For Dann to ask for what was said to be repeated, means to me he must of considered that he was being verbable abused. So reacted to it. So would we.

[JAL]

Interesting that, I didn't realise marking fresh air and giving your opposite number a free header 6 yards out was the way to go these days.

The game must really have changed.

First goal, the flight of the ball though going the same way, took a quick deflection which went into the wrong area, you can only hope that another player reacts to it first, but I cant hold Dann accountable as the ball falls right for Wheater.

[Stuart]

Doesn't work like that. Players have good and bad matches and no one knows how they will play until the whistle goes at the start. Sometimes your game just flows and first touch is superb and sometimes it just never gets going and the more you try the worse you go. Happens at every level and imo the biggest form swings with the Rovers players happen most with MGP and Hoilett. Sometimes they are poor, sometimes Ped is at the start of everything and makes things happen and sometimes Hoilett is simply unplayable.

You're talking about guile, I'm talking about graft.

Although my comment was tongue in cheek.

They're not professional though are they? They are just people who are good at football at the end of the day

A professional is a person who is paid to undertake a specialised set of tasks and to complete them for a fee.

Not sure how good our professionals are though!

[47er]

Whatever the trajectory for the first goal, surely somebody should have been closer to Wheater? And having gone behind in that way, how could he then get a second in exactly the same way, except this was a "true" trajectory? 2 free headers for a centre-back from 2 set pieces=2 goals and the game.

We won't win many matches on that basis.

As for the confrontation, I could never go up to a footballer and say publicly to him that he was the worst player on the pitch. I just wasn't brought up that way. I don't blame him for reacting. However, as is often the way these days in any situation at all, he seems to have over-reacted! Let's hope its from disappointment at himself.

[LDRover]

First goal, the flight of the ball though going the same way, took a quick deflection which went into the wrong area, you can only hope that another player reacts to it first, but I cant hold Dann accountable as the ball falls right for Wheater.

Sorry JAL, 1st rule of defending in the box is to be touch tight. Dann wasn't, he was caught ball watching.

[Amo]

There used to be a time when a bloke would not use foul language in front of women and Kids. But that went out the window years ago - not saying it is right - but a fact of life today. Women and kids attend football matches, where there is always bad language either spoken, chanted, etc.

Exactly.

For everyone crying 'think of the children!', they probably hear worse bile than that from their own parents over 90 minutes!

[JAL]

Sorry JAL, 1st rule of defending in the box is to be touch tight. Dann wasn't, he was caught ball watching.

Great when you know were the ball is going, though when it takes a quick change in direction, you must allow yourself that split second to amend your position and adjust yourself, in the case of the first goal it fell perfectly for an opponent and he did the rest.

What I'd want to know is how did the cross come in, why was the central midfielder in a right full back position. I'd ask what was my full back and wide right midfielder doing to get to that situation could they have done better to prevent the goal.

[arbitro]

Great when you know were the ball is going, though when it takes a quick change in direction, you must allow yourself that split second to amend your position and adjust yourself, in the case of the first goal it fell perfectly for an opponent and he did the rest.

What I'd want to know is how did the cross come in, why was the central midfielder in a right full back position. I'd ask what was my full back and wide right midfielder doing to get to that situation could they have done better to prevent the goal.

Wheater read the flight of the ball though. You can't defend the indefensible (no pun intended) as Dann was completely at fault for both goals. I suggest you watch them again, he doesn't even get off his feet. Wheater will not score two easier goals in his career.

The bottom line is that he is nowhere near good enough. With either Givet, Nelsen or Samba playing on Saturday I'm sure we wouldn't have conceded either.

[alexanders]

Just because Dann is a footballer he's still a normal human being, if someone starts giving u grief its normal to return the favour. I'm guessing he slightly regrets his comments, but they were said in the heat of the moment - it happens to us all! Once again people are acting like scousers being enraged by something and bloody nothing.

Especially normal to return the favour if you feel down by having a ###### game, you are in a relegation battle etc.

I know I dont always think racionally when Im watching a Rovers match or when playing myself.

[roversmum]

Wheater read the flight of the ball though. You can't defend the indefensible (no pun intended) as Dann was completely at fault for both goals. I suggest you watch them again, he doesn't even get off his feet. Wheater will not score two easier goals in his career.

The bottom line is that he is nowhere near good enough. With either Givet, Nelsen or Samba playing on Saturday I'm sure we wouldn't have conceded either.

We were sitting by the goal just to the left, and remarked on Dann's lack of action at the time.

[Jimmy612]

Has any reason been given for Bolton not serving alcohol - only in the away concourse?

Previous history of bad behaviour? A tactic to affect the travelling support?

I was getting the train away from the ground and that too was a disaster in itself, left waiting a very long time for a train. Anyway, was talking to the police who were forming a line to prevent fans just running on the train and they said that last year the away fans got a bit daft.

I mentioned, why not do a beer voucher system. when you enter the ground you get given three beer vouchers and thats your lot. Would keep people a lot happier than banning it altogether

[BRFC95]

We were sitting by the goal just to the left, and remarked on Dann's lack of action at the time.

He should have been tight to Wheater then at least he could have given him a nudge.

[Jimmy612]

Got told they do it for four or five games a year.

Ours being one of them.

Not by the club but at the insistance of the police.

No one could give a definative reason

It ruined my day if i'm honest. I had a few beers (5/6) before getting the train from Preston to Horwich. From there I couldn't have a beer before, during or after the game. Couple that with the waiting of 2 hours to get back to Preston on the train. It ended up that I had not had a beer for 5 hours on an away day.

Splitting headache, dehydrated, bed for 11 that night! Disaster

[RoyRover]

Exactly.

For everyone crying 'think of the children!', they probably hear worse bile than that from their own parents over 90 minutes!

Or on the bus on the way to school. Some of the things I had to listen to from Upper Sixth up the back of the bus would make your hair stand on end!

I myself thought it a bit out of order to say that to Dann. There seems to be this idea that because they are footballers and make a lot of money, people can just say what they like to them.

[cesus]

Been away all weekend so just caught up with Match of the day, well it didn't look at all good from what I saw on the "highlights"! 1st goal is awful, N'Zonzi nicely tees up the ball for Wheater to come onto and shock horror Dann is flat footed. So obviously Dann has alot to answer for but for me N'zonzi manages to flick the ball to possibly the worst place he could have done 8yds out in the centre of the goal FFS.

The second goal again Dann is shocking and to be honest the ball although well connected too isn't particularly far from Robbo so i'd have to think he would be alittle disappointed with his part too. The build up to the goal is pretty painful viewing as it starts in their half with a clearing header which falls to one of three Rovers players but Pedersen nicely heads the free ball into a wide open gap for the Bolton player completely taking out the other 2 Rovers players!! They could and should have scored more with all the free headers we gave them in the centre of our box, we didn't deserve anything from the bit I saw which is a poor show for the thousands of our fans that made the trip.

End on a positive, we didn't get a blatant penalty and who knows what would have happened then but looking at the defending we would have still conceded a few.

[Amo]

VERY KEAN NOT TO RILE REBOOK by Mike Walters

STEVE KEAN admitted Blackburn missed a big chance to surge clear of the drop zone but said: "It wasn't in the script to beat Bolton."

After surviving waves of protest from Rovers' rednecks for most of the season, the last thing Kean needed was to be cast by the nation as pantomime villain at the Reebook.

Blackburn curled up their toes expertly, and manager Kean groaned: "We probably had the whole country against us today - a lot of people would have wanted Bolton to win, and that gave them a spring in their step.

"It would have been massive for us to get out noses in front, but the script was here for Bolton to win.

"We've missed a big opportunity to put some daylight between ourselves and the clubs below us. We were way below par."

Apparently, all you men, women and children who protested are just a bunch of slack-jawed yokels.

[DE.]

"The script was there for Bolton to win." is that an actual quote ffs? There was no script. Bolton would have been a bit more fired up than usual I suppose but if it takes one of their players to collapse and nearly die on the pitch to get them motivated then as a fan I'd be seriously worried. One could argue the ref is influenced by the Muamba situation... but there are plenty of terrible decisions given week in and week out in the premier league so I don't buy it.

On the flip side you could say Bolton had a lot of pressure on them to "do it for Muamba", hadn't trained properly all week and had their attention more towards Muamba than the match for the entire week (and rightly so). We, alternatively, had the whole week to prepare our game plan and focus on it.

Kean's right in saying we were way below par - but everything above that is BS excuses, as usual.

[adsfortheblues]

Bolton where awful, i've no doubt they will go down, unfortunately we where even worse which is very worrying. At the moment for me it's looking like Wolves, Bolton and Rovers for the drop.