[Archived] Blackpool vs. Blackburn Rovers- Saturday 26/10/13 3pm.

[FGS5635]

Not sure we can make 442 consistently work in this league so it has to be some variation of 4-5-1 for me. But key to any form of 4-5-1 is not isolating JR up top and dunn and rochina are the only 2 that can provide that link imo. The sooner 1 or both get back the better as we have really missed them

[SoldierMo]

Most of what you post appears to have no more solid a basis than blind faith.

I get the funny feeling Rhodes has got the hump with being at Rovers, if a suitable bid comes in for him this January, I can't see him staying.

Its becoming annoying that everytime Rhodes doesnt score people seem to think hes got the hump?? Leave the guy alone

[SoldierMo]

Again il ask wat the hell is wrong with dunn??

[roversfan99]

I think its worth trying King the number 10 role where he would have less defensive duties and would be able to run at the back 4 by getting inbetween the defence and midfield.

I would defo play 4-2-3-1 formation but we need to play the ball more on the ground and stop playing the long ball.

the all team needs to start scoring more goals as we cant keep relying on Rhodes so much.

Judge played well on Saturday not outstanding but played the role very well tho.

Why would King be better in the number 10 role? He has no invention or idea when he is forced to stop and think when faced up with a defender, whereas if he has space to run into, ie down the wing where it is not crowded, then he can gain momentum.

4-4-2 naturally means more long ball as there is a second target and one less midfielder to keep the ball.

[chaddyrovers]

Why would King be better in the number 10 role? He has no invention or idea when he is forced to stop and think when faced up with a defender, whereas if he has space to run into, ie down the wing where it is not crowded, then he can gain momentum.

4-4-2 naturally means more long ball as there is a second target and one less midfielder to keep the ball.

Charlton didn't allow King any space at all to run into cos their winger doubled up with right back to not allow anything.

so what the problem with trying King there.

as Glen Mullan said yesterday that teams have worked out who are Rovers danger men are and now coming up with plans to stop us. so Rovers need to come up with something different.

I don't see what is wrong with King and whoever is playing the number 10 role swapping positions during games for abit.

[Majiball]

Trouble with King is, he seems better at putting the ball over the bar than under it.

[FGS5635]

King like JR is another player that needs to work on his weaknesses. He's played on the left wing long enough now yet still only uses his left foot for standing on. If you knew that was your position surely you'd work on your crossing with that left peg. Its certainly easier for decent full backs to mark him when they know he wont go outside and cross with his left foot. Im sure JR wishes he'd cross a few in rather than cutting inside.

He's been good for us at times this year, but he can take another leap forward with some dedication to his craft

[Amo]

King's a sprinter. Good at putting his head down and bombing forward with the ball, but not a lot else. He hasn't got the vision or the composure to play 'in the hole'.

[thenodrog]

Again il ask wat the hell is wrong with dunn??

Nothing.... that a good shrink couldn't cure.

[broadsword]

Its becoming annoying that everytime Rhodes doesnt score people seem to think hes got the hump?? Leave the guy alone

I was trying to make a point ... what I said appears to have as little grounding in demonstrable fact as one of chaddy's posts.

[Paul]

So I don't see why people think man-marking Jordan Rhodes is such a huge benefit to the other team. We have other scorers, if they take the chances their given..

Best and Cairney have two each and any other player who has scored this season one. We don't really have other goal scoters.

Rhodes is rarely, if ever, man-marked but he is playing against two centre-halves with little support. As parts of his game are quite limited these factors combined mean man-marking is not needed to keep him quiet.

[Majiball]

but with two on rhodes ie the cb's we have an extra man. better movement by others and we could take greater advantage of that.

[FGS5635]

but with two on rhodes ie the cb's we have an extra man. better movement by others and we could take greater advantage of that.

Catch 22 though. If rhodes could hold it up better we could get more bodies in and around the space and use better movement

[den]

King's a sprinter. Good at putting his head down and bombing forward with the ball, but not a lot else. He hasn't got the vision or the composure to play 'in the hole'.

I agree.

Wow.

[Majiball]

Catch 22 though. If rhodes could hold it up better we could get more bodies in and around the space and use better movement

Seems to have served the spainish well? There are many teams out there who play one up top and do well without an a typical Target man. When I've watched our CB's always want to hit Rhodes first (defo british trait) and yet we know he's not good at it. Better mobility and quicker response to transition (midfield) and perhaps we could play through more. But I haven't seen our midfield being that mobile so far this season. If we are to play I'd like to see 4231 with the wide men supporting rhodes more when play is on the opposite flank, with the full-back being the wide option in his place. I just don't think we make the most of what we've got at rovers and perhaps some higher level coaching addition could help us in that matter?

My issue with the Rhodes hold-up debate is simple, he couldn't do it at huddersfield and after 18 months he can't do it here either. I'm not convinced he'll ever be able to do it, so we need a different approach tactically and this for me would be quicker than 'improving' Rhodes all round game.

[FGS5635]

Seems to have served the spainish well? There are many teams out there who play one up top and do well without an a typical Target man. When I've watched our CB's always want to hit Rhodes first (defo british trait) and yet we know he's not good at it. Better mobility and quicker response to transition (midfield) and perhaps we could play through more. But I haven't seen our midfield being that mobile so far this season. If we are to play I'd like to see 4231 with the wide men supporting rhodes more when play is on the opposite flank, with the full-back being the wide option in his place. I just don't think we make the most of what we've got at rovers and perhaps some higher level coaching addition could help us in that matter?

My issue with the Rhodes hold-up debate is simple, he couldn't do it at huddersfield and after 18 months he can't do it here either. I'm not convinced he'll ever be able to do it, so we need a different approach tactically and this for me would be quicker than 'improving' Rhodes all round game.

Doesnt need to be an old school bruiser to hold it up. the spanish hold it up by having a great 1st touch receiving it into feet and constantly moving. We certainly could learn from things like that. I often feel we are to rigid in our formations in this country. Its like a manager picks from a drop down box before the game of certain symetrical formations he's only allowed to pick. Pep and the spanish have shown the way somewhat in that regard by ripping up general rules in what formations etc can be played. As for rhodes I dont expect him back to goal, holding off 2 defenders with brute strength, I just expect him to control it better when played into him and try and lay it off to the midfield. He loses to many 1 on 1 battles for the ball with defenders of similar size to him. I suspect its desire at times. I dont know the guy but he seems to nice at times. He seems the kinda guy you could punch in the face and he'd apologise incase he hurt your fist.

[Mike E]

Tbh, with Dunn/Rochina (and to a lesser extent, Judge) there's no need for Rhodes to hold up the ball.

I think the reason we succeeded so well for those 2 home batterings (and Derby for 30mins) is that King, Rhodes and Dunn/Rochina all require 'double marking', which makes the oppo lose structure. It's too reliant on those not being injured but it works a treat when they're available. Hopefully they're back ASAP and we can bomb on.

[Blue n White Rover]

Not sure why you think having a go at people for critisizing Rhodes is out of order? Get a grip man it's a bleedin messageboard for goodness sake, that's what you're supposed to do!

I take all the points on board, but some people need to wake up, we're no longer a premiership side that can pick and choose who plays week in week out. Rhodes is the most prolific goalscorer in the Championship and people are complaining he doesn't run enough.

Laughable!

I think the complaints are arising because of his game when he doesn't score. He adds nothing to the team and it could be argued that he is a liability if he is not scoring (prime example the Charlton game).

[Gav]

I think the complaints are arising because of his game when he doesn't score. He adds nothing to the team and it could be argued that he is a liability if he is not scoring (prime example the Charlton game).

I can't believe we're even having the debate.

Here we have a lad that scores goals for fun, the manager should be good enough to build a side around him and play to his strengths, it's as simple as that.

Just off the top of my head I cannot think of another team that's sold their top striker because his all round game isn't helping the team, all he does is score 30 goals a season so were selling him......

Simon Garner didn't have a terrific work ethic, but he scored goals and lots of em!

[FGS5635]

I can't believe we're even having the debate.

Here we have a lad that scores goals for fun, the manager should be good enough to build a side around him and play to his strengths, it's as simple as that.

Just off the top of my head I cannot think of another team that's sold their top striker because his all round game isn't helping the team, all he does is score 30 goals a season so were selling him......

Simon Garner didn't have a terrific work ethic, but he scored goals and lots of em!

Garner played in an age when everyone played 442. If JR played in that era he'd be golden.

Everyone keeps saying play to his strengths, but what exactly is that other than create chances for him?

If we use the charlton game which started alot of the discussion he had 3 chances, but had an off day in that regard, so what exactly should GB etc do differently

[OJRovers]

I can't believe we're even having the debate.

Here we have a lad that scores goals for fun, the manager should be good enough to build a side around him and play to his strengths, it's as simple as that.

Just off the top of my head I cannot think of another team that's sold their top striker because his all round game isn't helping the team, all he does is score 30 goals a season so were selling him......

Simon Garner didn't have a terrific work ethic, but he scored goals and lots of em!

Agreed - don't blame Rhodes for the team failing to create chances for him. If he was missing a load of chances the critisism would be more justified, but he's not.

[Gav]

Garner played in an age when everyone played 442. If JR played in that era he'd be golden.

Everyone keeps saying play to his strengths, but what exactly is that other than create chances for him?

If we use the charlton game which started alot of the discussion he had 3 chances, but had an off day in that regard, so what exactly should GB etc do differently

Well if we'd have created 3 more for him odds are he'd have bagged one, you've answered your own question.

Bowyers doing a good job, but it's his job to fit Rhodes into the side under any circumstances.

[FGS5635]

Well if we'd have created 3 more for him odds are he'd have bagged one, you've answered your own question.

Bowyers doing a good job, but it's his job to fit Rhodes into the side under any circumstances.

So his strengths are create 6 chances and he'll bag 1?

Easy to say it, but as discussed at length in various threads, its not easy to do with the players GB has at his disposal.

This isnt a pin the blame for our failings at JR's feet thing. There are many things we can do better accross the board, of which JR has his part to play in that

[Gav]

So his strengths are create 6 chances and he'll bag 1?

Easy to say it, but as discussed at length in various threads, its not easy to do with the players GB has at his disposal.

This isnt a pin the blame for our failings at JR's feet thing. There are many things we can do better accross the board, of which JR has his part to play in that

This season is a write off as far as I'm concerned, we should already be looking to next. I doubt very much that Rhodes will be with us come the start of 2014/15 so 'for all his faults' people will be wishing we'd never let him leave, mark my words.

[AndyNeil]

I can't believe this debate about Rhodes still rumbles on - his goals singled handed kept us in the Championship last year, he is the top scorer in the Championship this season and people still aren't happy - Christ!

Anybody who thinks the problem is Rhodes needs to have a look in the mirror. Most of the time he is playing up front on his own, a difficult enough job as it is and when he does get a partner (usually Leon Best) that partner contributes absolutely zilch, nada, nothing - awful first touch, no pace and can't seem to find a decent goal scoring position for toffee. The team is set-up to create chances for Rhodes, and so if the players either can't create chances for him, or heaven forbid the lad has an off day there doesn't seem to be a plan B - hardly the fault of Rhodes.

Yet another thread of moaning for the bloody sake of it - and all because somebody who has scored 37 league goals in 55 league matches isn't contributing enough to the team

F**k me... and people wonder why posters are leaving this site at a rate of knots.