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[Miller11]

5 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

‘As far as he was aware David Lowe hadn’t left’.

The longest standing first team coach at the club and he may still be clocking in to Brockhall, might not be. Best peer down from the Directors Box to the dug-out on Saturday to check.

Some set-up this.

In the FF meeting Suhail answered the initial question regarding Waggott with one word. It took a lot of probing around directorial responsibilities and EFL rules for him to admit that Waggott was still employed. He seemed very reluctant to do so.

I don’t think Lowe being absent from Brockhall or Ewood will necessarily mean he isn’t being paid by Rovers. I expect that both he and Waggott will have very nice looking gardens at the end of the summer. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Miller11
Typo

[Tomphil2]

Then people will wonder why despite cutbacks the running costs don't come down.

How many others are they still paying i wonder.

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5 hours ago, arbitro said:

Send in the Clowns is my request especially the last line which goes 'well maybe they're here'.

Moneys too tight to mention

-simply red

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

6 minutes ago, ... said:

Moneys too tight to mention

-simply red

Err - The Valentine Brothers.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 hours ago, Miller11 said:

In the FF meeting Suhail answered the initial question regarding Waggott with one word. It took a lot of probing around directorial responsibilities and EFL rules for him to admit that Waggott was still employed. He seemed very reluctant to do so.

I don’t think Lowe being absent from Brockhall or Ewood will necessarily mean he isn’t being paid by Rovers. I expect that both he and Waggott will have very nice looking gardens at the end of the summer. 

Mention of Waggott being "still employed" sends me into a cold sweat.

Is it normal for employees who have been dispensed with but who are on gardening leave to be referred to in that way?

I take it he doesn't actually do anything or wield any influence any longer?

[Ricky]

If you’re on gardening leave you’re still technically employed. 

[RevidgeBlue]

39 minutes ago, Ricky said:

If you’re on gardening leave you’re still technically employed. 

Ok thanks.

[Mike E]

I’m fairly sure Ian Holloway was once placed on gardening leave by a club, purely to prevent him going to a rival until the end of the season.

[Tom]

Yep speaking from a HR perspective if we put someone on gardening leave they are in effect being paid for working their notice but not needed in work, typically for an exec role that’s 6 months.

An alternative is to pay PILON - Payment in Lieu of Notice and end employment immediately but that can have tax implications for the employee.

As it will likely have been mutual consent I imagine the former was agreed 

[lraC]

9 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

They are…

https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/gc-media-assets.gc.roversservices.co.uk/36515ad0-7437-11f0-a740-4f31ea861e61.pdf

The link seems to be broken now. Is that coincidence or has someone do be this deliberately?

[Herbie6590]

4 hours ago, lraC said:

The link seems to be broken now. Is that coincidence or has someone do be this deliberately?

Works for me…🤷‍♂️

[jodrell]

4 hours ago, lraC said:

The link seems to be broken now. Is that coincidence or has someone do be this deliberately?

Still works for me 

[lraC]

1 hour ago, Herbie6590 said:

Works for me…🤷‍♂️

Thanks Ian,

Working again now.

I think I am becoming paranoid about it all.  😞 

[Waggy76]

13 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

Then people will wonder why despite cutbacks the running costs don't come down.

How many others are they still paying i wonder.

 

The names on the that list put in the public domain would probably bring an end to the Venky tenure !

[RevidgeBlue]

The Lowe thing surely needs a lot more investigation at the next Forum meeting (if one is ever held)

There have been strong anecdotal rumours for years that Lowe has been sacked on more than one occasion and mysteriously reinstated.

Now we finally appear to have concrete proof of this in the form of the LT article. VI clearly saying, no hard feelings but it's normal for people to want to bring in their own people etc.

Yet somehow it appears he's STILL here. Surely successive managers can't be expected to operate properly if they can't bring in their own choice of staff. They need to be asked why they choose to undermine the manager in this way.

[Tomphil2]

Lowe must be very well in with someone who has the ears of Pune.

Looked like Eustace tried to get rid but he was just sent on other duties then reappeared.

Very odd stuff for a low level coach maybe Suhail himself is trying to get him reinstated after he was pushed out by VI and Gestede ?

[philipl]

The Venky's 200m++ losses haven't vanished into thin air.

The money has gone from India into football pockets. 

If you simply look at the money trail you have billionaires in India who won't particularly notice those losses and an agent network around Blackburn firmly attached to the teat.

Presumably that network has some leverage which means Venky's can't or won't walk away. The EFL has far more problematic clubs than Rovers to worry about so Rovers can be a handy conduit for whatever.

The original plan was to effect agent ownership of PL players but that got scotched so agent interest in having Rovers in the elite was no longer so great.  

Now it is all hunky dory in the Championship for the network so long as we don't accidentally get promoted to the Premier League where the public spotlight is very different...

Just a guess. 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, philipl said:

The Venky's 200m++ losses haven't vanished into thin air.

The money has gone from India into football pockets. 

If you simply look at the money trail you have billionaires in India who won't particularly notice those losses and an agent network around Blackburn firmly attached to the teat.

Presumably that network has some leverage which means Venky's can't or won't walk away. The EFL has far more problematic clubs than Rovers to worry about so Rovers can be a handy conduit for whatever.

The original plan was to effect agent ownership of PL players but that got scotched so agent interest in having Rovers in the elite was no longer so great.  

Now it is all hunky dory in the Championship for the network so long as we don't accidentally get promoted to the Premier League where the public spotlight is very different...

Just a guess. 

 

Seen worse theories.

Can't see what "leverage" a few agent's would have over Venky's though.

Still think it's a matter of pride for them

[lraC]

[Tomphil2]

18 minutes ago, philipl said:

The Venky's 200m++ losses haven't vanished into thin air.

The money has gone from India into football pockets. 

If you simply look at the money trail you have billionaires in India who won't particularly notice those losses and an agent network around Blackburn firmly attached to the teat.

Presumably that network has some leverage which means Venky's can't or won't walk away. The EFL has far more problematic clubs than Rovers to worry about so Rovers can be a handy conduit for whatever.

The original plan was to effect agent ownership of PL players but that got scotched so agent interest in having Rovers in the elite was no longer so great.  

Now it is all hunky dory in the Championship for the network so long as we don't accidentally get promoted to the Premier League where the public spotlight is very different...

Just a guess. 

 

Just numbers on a screen to them and will have had little to no impact on their business empire and personal wealth.

In fact the 200 million plus is probably in counted as being in the portfolio rather than the debt column. 

So when some say hey these lot are worth 1.2 billion that .2 is little old Rovers by way of the VLL spread sheet....

[lraC]

58 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Lowe must be very well in with someone who has the ears of Pune.

Looked like Eustace tried to get rid but he was just sent on other duties then reappeared.

Very odd stuff for a low level coach maybe Suhail himself is trying to get him reinstated after he was pushed out by VI and Gestede ?

The manager is going to be undermined, big time, if Lowe makes another comeback.

Lazarus will be his new nickname too. 

[Tomphil2]

2 minutes ago, lraC said:

The manager is going to be undermined, big time, if Lowe makes another comeback.

Lazarus will be his new nickname too. 

Even if they find him another position in the club it's a fair old 'unsackable' statement again.

He must have some gigantic pay off written into his contract or something.

[lraC]

40 minutes ago, philipl said:

The Venky's 200m++ losses haven't vanished into thin air.

The money has gone from India into football pockets. 

If you simply look at the money trail you have billionaires in India who won't particularly notice those losses and an agent network around Blackburn firmly attached to the teat.

Presumably that network has some leverage which means Venky's can't or won't walk away. The EFL has far more problematic clubs than Rovers to worry about so Rovers can be a handy conduit for whatever.

The original plan was to effect agent ownership of PL players but that got scotched so agent interest in having Rovers in the elite was no longer so great.  

Now it is all hunky dory in the Championship for the network so long as we don't accidentally get promoted to the Premier League where the public spotlight is very different...

Just a guess. 

 

I would be extremely surprised, if and when it ever comes out, that this isn't pretty close to the truth.

JDT Sacked reinstated and sacked again

Lowe sacked and reinstated 3 times, if he reappears again in the next few days. even JC himself only rose once. 

O'Brien signed and announced as such, but then something went wrong

MaGuire signed and in the kit even then, something went wrong

Warnock as good as appointed as manager, then Coyle jetted in at the last minute

Someone somewhere is over turning decisions made that keep on being reversed, which smells of more than one ownership in my opinion. 

 

[lraC]

3 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Even if they find him another position in the club it's a fair old 'unsackable' statement again.

He must have some gigantic pay off written into his contract or something.

Eyes and ears of the owners is about the size of it, as already mentioned today and previously.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

1 hour ago, philipl said:

The Venky's 200m++ losses haven't vanished into thin air.

The money has gone from India into football pockets. 

If you simply look at the money trail you have billionaires in India who won't particularly notice those losses and an agent network around Blackburn firmly attached to the teat.

Presumably that network has some leverage which means Venky's can't or won't walk away. The EFL has far more problematic clubs than Rovers to worry about so Rovers can be a handy conduit for whatever.

The original plan was to effect agent ownership of PL players but that got scotched so agent interest in having Rovers in the elite was no longer so great.  

Now it is all hunky dory in the Championship for the network so long as we don't accidentally get promoted to the Premier League where the public spotlight is very different...

Just a guess. 

 

Reckon you've pretty much nailed it here 

And if true I don't see how it ever ends