Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

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7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Does Morishita look that appalling? Scored winner at Watford away bet you didnt think he was appalling then. 

You always expected a settling in period for new overseas signings. Finding a home, school for their kids if any, etc. 

Just imagine if you moved to Japan with your family, just imagine how long it would take yourself and family to settle in. 

Even Ismael himself has said time for these sort of excuses is over.

What you are seeing on the pitch is players that at this moment are not good enough to play at Championship level. They may overtime develop into something that is but I would argue we will likely be down in League 1 before that happens.

[JHRover]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Does Morishita look that appalling? Scored winner at Watford away bet you didnt think he was appalling then. 

You always expected a settling in period for new overseas signings. Finding a home, school for their kids if any, etc. 

Just imagine if you moved to Japan with your family, just imagine how long it would take yourself and family to settle in. 

We've chosen to go down the overseas signings route. We didn't need to and nobody forced us to. 

So having made that choice we can't then expect results / performances to be rubbish and to sit in the bottom 3 of the division and for people not to complain or criticise because you need a 'settling in period'.

We knew when the season started and we knew when the games were going to be. If we weren't ready for those demands that's another mark against the names of those responsible for dismantling an experienced squad and replacing it with a totally inexperienced squad. 

This 'settling in' process just another excuse. It isn't going to get us retrospective points on the board or let us move up the league table and it won't stop us being relegated. 

[Old Codger]

There is nothing to say.

The club has been systematically and cynically disemboweled.

The history and traditions of our club count for nothing (under these morons)

The management at the club pour scorn on the fans.

The owners are a complete disgrace and deserve to be run out of town.

The playing squad just isn't good enough for the division we are in (and THEY know it)

The fan base is fractured, demoralised and desperate for change, but that isn't happening on the moron's watch.

RIP BLACKBURN ROVERS 

SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE MORON WHO HAS HAD A HAND IN OUR DEMISE

 

[Upside Down]

29 minutes ago, JHRover said:

We've chosen to go down

Yes, I agree with you completely.

[roversfan99]

51 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Does Morishita look that appalling? Scored winner at Watford away bet you didnt think he was appalling then. 

You always expected a settling in period for new overseas signings. Finding a home, school for their kids if any, etc. 

Just imagine if you moved to Japan with your family, just imagine how long it would take yourself and family to settle in. 

Why can any players who have looked good (ie Alebiousu) be judged freely without the caveat of waiting.

But the ones who look poor (I wouldn't look at Morishita first, but you can certainly question how he had one good game then faded to the point of being an unused sub at the weekend) you go round shutting down anyone and demanding patience.

We cant afford to wait for loads of players to "settle" with one not even fit any time soon. You wont entertain the prospect that some of them may just not be very good.

[dallydally]

1 hour ago, Old Codger said:

There is nothing to say.

The club has been systematically and cynically disemboweled.

The history and traditions of our club count for nothing (under these morons)

The management at the club pour scorn on the fans.

The owners are a complete disgrace and deserve to be run out of town.

The playing squad just isn't good enough for the division we are in (and THEY know it)

The fan base is fractured, demoralised and desperate for change, but that isn't happening on the moron's watch.

RIP BLACKBURN ROVERS 

SHAME ON EVERY SINGLE MORON WHO HAS HAD A HAND IN OUR DEMISE

 

Spot on in every respect!

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Why can any players who have looked good (ie Alebiousu) be judged freely without the caveat of waiting.

Some of the players who have started well might faded away and have a poor set of games shortly, who knows. we see in the future

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

But the ones who look poor (I wouldn't look at Morishita first, but you can certainly question how he had one good game then faded to the point of being an unused sub at the weekend) you go round shutting down anyone and demanding patience.

again, some players settled in quicker than others. Tronstad started very poorly then spent a couple of months out of the squad then he started and proved his worth. MGP was similar when he didn't play for a couple of months then Hughes brought him back in for Cardiff FA cup in January

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

We cant afford to wait for loads of players to "settle" with one not even fit any time soon.

still banging on about Baradji again like a broken record 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

You wont entertain the prospect that some of them may just not be very good.

I have always said I will judge on performances of new players so god knows what you going on about again

[rovers11]

I don't think our current results are entirely down to VI, the issues are significantly bigger than the manager. However, I don’t think he's up to the job either. His results since coming in show that, as does his poor managerial record before coming here.

For me, Tony Mowbray coming back is a no brainer. We're now back in the same state (actually much worse) than when he joined the club first time around. He's skilled at stabilising clubs and getting them back on track and that's what we need right now. He's a very safe pair of hands who would get far better results than VI.

[StHelensRover]

3 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

I don't think our current results are entirely down to VI, the issues are significantly bigger than the manager. However, I don’t think he's up to the job either. His results since coming in show that, as does his poor managerial record before coming here.

For me, Tony Mowbray coming back is a no brainer. We're now back in the same state (actually much worse) than when he joined the club first time around. He's skilled at stabilising clubs and getting them back on track and that's what we need right now. He's a very safe pair of hands who would get far better results than VI.

When TM left he had taken us as far as he could and it was time for him to go. I'm grateful to him and for his time leading the team. I think he always did his best and wanted the best for the club, but it became stale and starting sliding backwards, we had a couple of very bad runs towards the end. Objectively he is a much better manager than Valerian Ismael and would do a better job, so bringing him in I think would give us a better chance of avoiding relegation.

However, I think it would really divide the fan base, there are many who got very fed-up with TM and disliked him, if he didn't get results straight away it could get just as toxic as it's probably going to get soon under current management. Not sure whether it would be the right thing to do. There's also no guarantee he'd want to work here again after the way they treated him at the end.

[roversfan99]

RevidgeBlue would have a meltdown if Mowbray came back.

He is definitely a considerable upgrade on Ismael but we shouldnt get him back. He has had his time here and has also recently had a life threatening illness since.

[roversfan99]

48 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Some of the players who have started well might faded away and have a poor set of games shortly, who knows. we see in the future

again, some players settled in quicker than others. Tronstad started very poorly then spent a couple of months out of the squad then he started and proved his worth. MGP was similar when he didn't play for a couple of months then Hughes brought him back in for Cardiff FA cup in January

still banging on about Baradji again like a broken record 

I have always said I will judge on performances of new players so god knows what you going on about again

You say you will judge the manager on results but refrain from calling him out when they continue to be crap.

You say you will judge players on performances, praise the good ones like Alebiosu and defer any judgement on the ones who play poorly because you cant bring yourself to criticise.

Tronstad is the example people come  back to but there are lots of examples of players that signed from abroad, started poorly and failed overall. They wont all do a Tronstad.