Valérien Ismaël: Former Head Coach

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Sky have TM/Bilic - god helps us!

[aletheia]

1 hour ago, Herbie6590 said:

I’m amazed he’s been potted

It was the JWU BATs (Blanket and Thermos gang) wot dunnit. Bullies are always soft if challenged.

Where are you Rev? 😉 

[Tomphil2]

53 minutes ago, onlyoneDuff said:

Damian Duff is the only answer...been through exactly this as a player with us...they will play for him!

Stop it now he's the answer to nothing.

[booth]

3 minutes ago, Proudtobeblue&white said:

Sky have TM/Bilic - god helps us!

Bilic is far too good a Championship manager for this awful lot.

[Herbie6590]

Prediction competition? 🤔

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik#google_vignette

[Tom]

It will be someone slightly longer in odds who is cheap and available.

If you said I absolutely had to put a bet on now I’d stick it on Darren Moore (in his second stint after being a coach briefly under Appleton)

[Tomphil2]

I'm sure Carvalhal has turned it down twice before so not really a great omen that.

[Mike E]

1 hour ago, Herbie6590 said:

I’m amazed he’s been potted, not because of his record but more because it is an admission of failure by Suhail & Rudy…3.5 year contract eh?

I thought they’d have to stick behind him to save their own credibility.

The timing is somewhat suspect…he should have gone before Christmas to give us a chance to use the window optimally but nobody will be surprised at the incompetence.

The key question is having appointed one awful manager, can they be remotely trusted to make a better fist of it this time around? 

Once again, I fear we know the answer to that.

We were heading in one direction after Saturday, at least now there is a chink of light that salvation might be secured but it’s a tall order for anyone coming in to sort this mess out with the quality of recruits Rudy has assembled. 

The symptoms are being treated, the illness remains. 

Reminds me of a ThickOfIt quote (paraphrasing, lack of memory).

Minister: I’m not doing terribly am I?

Tucker: Relax, the PM won’t bin you yet.

Minister: Am I doing ok?

Tucker: Listen, if you’re sacked after a year, you fucked up. If you’re sacked after a month, he fucked up.

[speeeeeeedie]

I was underwhelmed when Ismael was appointed and am underwhelmed now that he's left. 

He had a crap start, average middle, and crap end. His football was poor, but the tools he was given to to his job with were sub par. Losing half of last season's starting 11 and having to get a tune out of Gueye, De Neve, limited defenders, youth team prospects, and a talented but hard to fit in Cantwell would be hard for a much more talented manager than Ismael. 

Until Venkys either sell up or realise that they have no clue what they are doing and decide to appoint competent people throughout the club more of the same will continue. 

[Mike E]

Very much a Baldrick’s poem of an appointment.

It started badly, tailed off a little in the middle, and the less said about the end the better. But apart from that, excellent.

[aletheia]

I see a few names mentioned.

Pasha to Warnock or JDT or Big Sam or JE:

Hi. Would you like to be our next coach?

Any of the 4:

Certainly Suhail. All it would take is £5 mill a year, a 5 year contract and a good transfer budget and we choose who we buy and sell.

Silence.

Fin.

[LeftWinger]

13 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Stop it now he's the answer to nothing.

He's the answer to 'How do you incorrectly spell Damien Duff?'

[Leonard Venkhater]

2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

He's the answer to 'How do you incorrectly spell Damien Duff?'

Damian?

[LeftWinger]

1 minute ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Damian?

Correct. It's Damien. 

[StHelensRover]

We're more likely to end up with Father Damien from Father Ted than we are with Damien Duff

Here he is, giving instructions to De Neve:

[Dolly blue]

When Kean went I remember opening a good bottle of red ….how silly , not, at that stage , realising  we would have this dreadful regime  what feels like  forever. 
 

Moving through “ their” agents in appointing shocking leaders like Waggott and Gestede and fall guys with no ability or care for this club to “ manage” I couldn’t , today, even open a bottle of cheap plonk….Decent blokes , JDT and Eustace among ‘em walked ..I’ve walked and the end of Ismael offers me no comfort…a mere symptom .

…and, if the answer is Karanka what on earth is the question.
 

Edited 1 hour ago by Dolly blue

[had.e.nuff]

best signing of the window his termination notice.

[Penwortham Blue]

2 hours ago, arbitro said:

In the terse statement it doesn't mention anyone taking over in a caretaker capacity which is strange given we have a game tomorrow. My guess is that Ismael was actually relieved of his duties on Saturday and in the interim a new manager has agreed terms and will be announced soon.

Glad to see you back posting, your honest and genuine match summaries have been missed.

[SuperBrfc]

The Bilic talk is surely pie in the sky stuff. He's too high profile for them and won't put up with any crap. I'd be happy with the appointment, but just can't see it happening.

What I think is more likely to happen is this lot getting on the blower to their agency pals for ideas. I think they will put forward Lee Bowyer and Karanka as options.

I had Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink down as a potential pick too based on his agency friendships, but he has just recently joined his home nation, Suriname, as Assistant Manager. That probably rules him out.

I said a couple of months ago that I expect Lee Bowyer replaces Ismael when the time comes. I'll stick with that call.

I want Bilic or somebody of that ilk, though.

[DutchRover]

Who was the guy who was reported to be in running last time, with no experience at all?

[JHRover]

A change of management used to be a time for optimism. Discussing who might get the job next, what he might look to do, who he might bring with him, what that could lead to.

Even when we were struggling, like after Souness and Hughes walked and Ince was sacked, it was still a time for some optimism looking at what might come next and where it might lead us.

Now? Nothing. The conditions are such that even if good managers were interested in the job the stooges would either ignore them or look to impose conditions making it unacceptable to anyone decent, or even if they got someone decent they'll last a season if lucky before this regime forces them out elsewhere. Not because they are inundated with bigger and better offers but because they can't cope working for this awful organisation any longer.

I'm serious - even if we appointed Jurgen Klopp tonight I'd be cynical and negative about it because after recent experiences we know they'd find a way to wreck it quickly. 

[StHelensRover]

1 minute ago, SuperBrfc said:

The Bilic talk is surely pie in the sky stuff. He's too high profile for them and won't put up with any crap. I'd be happy with the appointment, but just can't see it happening..

I agree he will see his stock as still much too high for a relegation scrap at the bottom of the second tier. He probably would have come this time last year to a squad in and around the top six but not this guff.

It's a world cup year, he'll probably hedge his bets on getting the call from BBC and ITV to do tournament coverage as he's done a few times previously, rather than running round Brockhall tearing his hair out.

[JHRover]

I would imagine Bilic will be used to a hefty pay packet too after recent spells in China and Saudi Arabia. So unless he's really desperate to get back into English football after 18 months out of management I can't see it. 

Someone more obscure, desperate and pliable is needed. 

[Penwortham Blue]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

Get Rowatt in 

I don’t think he would entertain these idiots, Rowett doesn’t suffer fools and generally calls them out.

[davulsukur]

4 minutes ago, DutchRover said:

Who was the guy who was reported to be in running last time, with no experience at all?

Judan Ali?

(someone had to mention him)