2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

10 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

I wonder what would be the cost of relegation...

The Suhail way-Spoil the ship for a hap-orth of tar...

Financially relegation might suit them. Sell off all the big earners and bring in more cheap spear carriers like DeNeve. We’re down to the die-hards now so the gates won’t drop off to the same extent.

Edited 2 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[KentExile]

8 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

I wonder what would be the cost of relegation...

The Suhail way-Spoil the ship for a hap-orth of tar...

As per AI so far from gospel

 

Blackburn Rovers' latest financial accounts reveal a revenue of £21.4 million for the 2023/24 season

League One clubs averaged £9.1 million, according to Deloitte. This difference is primarily due to higher broadcasting revenue and increased commercial revenue in the Championship.

 

The League 1 figure is an average, so imagine Rovers would be slightly  higher than the average

So the cost of relegation is somewhere less than £12.3M/year

Although I would hazard a guess that relegation wage reduction clauses would cover the vast majority of that

Edited 2 hours ago by KentExile

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, Tomphil2 said:

At the end of the day right now he's only worth what a team will pay and i really don't see anyone stumping up 2 million or more and a good contract when they can get him for free in summer and maybe offer him two years on big money.

As for us it would be really stupid to entertain anything less than around 2 million with add ons but i assume they are getting desperate now having brought a few in.

So i'll stick to my guns and say if he does go it'll be undisclosed to save the blushes and probably be about 1.5 million.

Any scout watching him on Saturday would have been in their car and halfway home before the final whistle went.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 minutes ago, KentExile said:

As per AI so far from gospel

 

Blackburn Rovers' latest financial accounts reveal a revenue of £21.4 million for the 2023/24 season

League One clubs averaged £9.1 million, according to Deloitte. This difference is primarily due to higher broadcasting revenue and increased commercial revenue in the Championship

 

So the cost of relegation is about £12.3M

Although I would hazard a guess that relegation wage reduction clauses would cover the vast majority of that

Plus fire sales,

[Tomphil2]

5 minutes ago, KentExile said:

As per AI so far from gospel

 

Blackburn Rovers' latest financial accounts reveal a revenue of £21.4 million for the 2023/24 season

League One clubs averaged £9.1 million, according to Deloitte. This difference is primarily due to higher broadcasting revenue and increased commercial revenue in the Championship.

 

The League 1 figure is an average, so imagine Rovers would be slightly  higher than the average

So the cost of relegation is somewhere less than £12.3M/year

Although I would hazard a guess that relegation wage reduction clauses would cover the vast majority of that

Doesn't make much sense forcing a relegation unless you want a complete reset of the whole operation and your owners can only or are only prepared to meet half the costs they previously have.........

[joey_big_nose]

5 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

At the end of the day right now he's only worth what a team will pay and i really don't see anyone stumping up 2 million or more and a good contract when they can get him for free in summer and maybe offer him two years on big money.

As for us it would be really stupid to entertain anything less than around 2 million with add ons but i assume they are getting desperate now having brought a few in.

So i'll stick to my guns and say if he does go it'll be undisclosed to save the blushes and probably be about 1.5 million.

I really can't see us taking an offer that low. The constraints you mention are the same as they were for Britain, and i am sure we will drive for a deal north of that.

For all their faults one thing the owners don't do is sell at cut price. Theyd rather Travis went for free than sell for below his market value imo.

[KentExile]

2 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Doesn't make much sense forcing a relegation unless you want a complete reset of the whole operation and your owners can only or are only prepared to meet half the costs they previously have.........

unless someone gets a bonus for reducing costs

[wilsdenrover]

3 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

Saw this on X this morning.

That would tell me that Mafoumbi only needs to make one appearance, as his debut gets him 5pts because he's under 21 and it would be his senior debut for any club, and the league is band 2 so automatically gets 10 points.

15 being what you need to convert.

Unless I'm reading it wrong of course!

It’s definitely just his senior debut - relevant paragraph, table +  definition of youth player below:

[Tomphil2]

3 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

I really can't see us taking an offer that low. The constraints you mention are the same as they were for Britain, and i am sure we will drive for a deal north of that.

For all their faults one thing the owners don't do is sell at cut price. Theyd rather Travis went for free than sell for below his market value imo.

Different scenario for Brittain he is a specialist in his position and was outstanding in his position last season so i assume interest went much further than just Boro and Derby but they were the only ones to try and force Rovers hand.

Trav is a bread and butter defensive mid a type more akin to fighting fires than giving you a possible nudge towards promotion through assists and goals. I know Eustace is a big admirer they are cut from the same cloth but he won't pay silly money and beyond that who will ?

What you say about the owners was correct up to a point but times have changed now and the needs are different. I don't believe for one min we'll be seeing 3.5 mill for Brittain either unless he has a long successful career at Boro that triggers all the add ons etc.

I think a fee of around 2 million plus some realistic add on triggers will be nearer the true deal.

[sharpysharps86]

It feels inevitable that Trav will be moved on, and I'm perhaps more gutted about this than Brittain in a way. Not necessarily in terms of footballing ability, but for what it means in terms of how the club views their playing staff.

Trav is the captain, and clearly cares about the club. He was brilliant and a leader for much of last season. Meanwhile the club (Suhail) couldn't give a sh*t about that and Trav's reward for being a leader on and off the pitch is to not be given a new contract, and instead sold off.

It makes me embarrassed and ashamed to be a Rovers fan at times, knowing that those who run the club are as rotten as it gets.

Baradji may well be a decent player if he comes in as his replacement, but its another player with no champ experience who's most recent experience is getting relegated. Signing a bunch of relegated players breeds a loser's mentality IMO.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Ipswich only took him last season as an insurance policy in case Sam Morsy self destructed. The fact that Travis hardly played tells me the level he’s at.

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, Polky said:

 

I agree with GBE expert that the debut needs to be in the league.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

It feels inevitable that Trav will be moved on, and I'm perhaps more gutted about this than Brittain in a way. Not necessarily in terms of footballing ability, but for what it means in terms of how the club views their playing staff.

Trav is the captain, and clearly cares about the club. He was brilliant and a leader for much of last season. Meanwhile the club (Suhail) couldn't give a sh*t about that and Trav's reward for being a leader on and off the pitch is to not be given a new contract, and instead sold off.

It makes me embarrassed and ashamed to be a Rovers fan at times, knowing that those who run the club are as rotten as it gets.

Baradji may well be a decent player if he comes in as his replacement, but its another player with no champ experience who's most recent experience is getting relegated. Signing a bunch of relegated players breeds a loser's mentality IMO.

We’ve already got a losers mentality, we don’t need more players coming in to reinforce that.

[JHRover]

21 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

I really can't see us taking an offer that low. The constraints you mention are the same as they were for Britain, and i am sure we will drive for a deal north of that.

For all their faults one thing the owners don't do is sell at cut price. Theyd rather Travis went for free than sell for below his market value imo.

I think that applied previously but in this new era I'm not so sure. I think we are at a point where every £ is vital. I think the Chief Venky Stooge has more power and autonomy than in previous years and is now king pin at Ewood having previously had to 'share' with others. So he can order a sale to help reduce the 'burden' on the owners and I doubt they'll know anything about it until the balance sheet is reviewed.

 

4 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

It feels inevitable that Trav will be moved on, and I'm perhaps more gutted about this than Brittain in a way. Not necessarily in terms of footballing ability, but for what it means in terms of how the club views their playing staff.

Trav is the captain, and clearly cares about the club. He was brilliant and a leader for much of last season. Meanwhile the club (Suhail) couldn't give a sh*t about that and Trav's reward for being a leader on and off the pitch is to not be given a new contract, and instead sold off.

It makes me embarrassed and ashamed to be a Rovers fan at times, knowing that those who run the club are as rotten as it gets.

Baradji may well be a decent player if he comes in as his replacement, but its another player with no champ experience who's most recent experience is getting relegated. Signing a bunch of relegated players breeds a loser's mentality IMO.

Fully agree with this. Just the latest in a long long line of people to be sh1t on by the regime that holds BRFC hostage. 

A grubby, dirty, thoroughly unpleasant organisation that people would be wise to avoid. Though I suppose the treatment of long standing staff members at Brockhall and Ewood tells us all we need to know. They couldn't give a stuff. 

[wilsdenrover]

2 hours ago, Tugayisgod said:

Jackson confirming what Wilsden has said regarding Mafoumbi. Respect to Wisden, he really knows his stuff 👍

 

There are two ways that Rovers could free up a space in this transfer window. That would be to either sell or release one of the players, which realistically could only happen with Mafoumbi. The striker, signed last summer, is yet to play a minute for the first team and wasn't given a squad number.

The other option is to hand Mafoumbi his Championship debut. As the player hasn't yet made his senior debut for any club, making his first appearance in a bad two league would earn him five points. He'd then get an additional 10 points for playing in the Championship, hitting the 15 needed to qualify for a GBE work permit.

As Mafoumbi signed more than 12 months ago (last July), he's eligible to convert from an ESC to a GBE permit in this transfer window.

So if Rovers want to sign Miyoshi, Moussa Baradji or any other players that don't qualify for a GBE permit, those are their only options.

 

 

 

 

Thank you.

Do we think Elliott has been reading again or is it just a coincidence he’s just written this piece?

I maintain he’s wrong about the Japanese player btw - I think he’d need to be an ESC but not because he played yesterday. 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by wilsdenrover

[wilsdenrover]

One more thing about Elliott’s article:

It’s irrelevant that Mafoumbi hasn’t made a debut with any other club.

What matters is 1. he’s a youth player and 2. him making his Rover’s league debut.

[MarkBRFC]

55 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Financially relegation might suit them. Sell off all the big earners and bring in more cheap spear carriers like DeNeve. We’re down to the die-hards now so the gates won’t drop off to the same extent.

Always believed this was the goal, especially with 90% of the squad out of contract by 2027.

I thought we might get two more years at this level this summer, but if we keep going down the road we are then maybe it will just be one.

A squad of 90% academy players topped up by the odd foreign unknown in the league below will end up being a lot cheaper to maintain that today's outfit.

Edited 1 hour ago by MarkBRFC

[joey_big_nose]

28 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Different scenario for Brittain he is a specialist in his position and was outstanding in his position last season so i assume interest went much further than just Boro and Derby but they were the only ones to try and force Rovers hand.

Trav is a bread and butter defensive mid a type more akin to fighting fires than giving you a possible nudge towards promotion through assists and goals. I know Eustace is a big admirer they are cut from the same cloth but he won't pay silly money and beyond that who will ?

What you say about the owners was correct up to a point but times have changed now and the needs are different. I don't believe for one min we'll be seeing 3.5 mill for Brittain either unless he has a long successful career at Boro that triggers all the add ons etc.

I think a fee of around 2 million plus some realistic add on triggers will be nearer the true deal.

Well, I sincerely disagree. If it was known Travis was available for £2M he would have gone a long time ago. I am sure lots of enquiries have been made, but not gone further as we are valuing him much higher.

We will see what happens in the next few weeks.

[Exiled_Rover]

2 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Always believed this was the goal, especially with 90% of the squad out of contract by 2027.

I thought we might get two more years at this level this summer, but if we keep going down the road we are then maybe it will just be one.

A squad of 90% academy players topped up by the odd foreign unknown in the league below will end up being a lot cheaper to maintrain that today's outfit.

But why?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Always believed this was the goal, especially with 90% of the squad out of contract by 2027.

I thought we might get two more years at this level this summer, but if we keep going down the road we are then maybe it will just be one.

A squad of 90% academy players topped up by the odd foreign unknown in the league below will end up being a lot cheaper to maintain that today's outfit.

And before you know it we’ll be back playing Oldham and Rochdale.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

But why?

You’re making the mistake of thinking they actually give a fuck.

The chicken chokers exist in a parallel universe to the rest of us. The normal rules don’t apply.

Edited 1 hour ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[JHRover]

1 minute ago, MarkBRFC said:

Always believed this was the goal, especially with 90% of the squad out of contract by 2027.

I thought we might get two more years at this level this summer, but if we keep going down the road we are then maybe it will just be one.

A squad of 90% academy players topped up by the odd foreign unknown in the league below will end up being a lot cheaper to maintain that today's outfit.

Chief Venky Stooge will be able to go back to Pune every few months and tell them that despite the disappointment of relegation to League One we've managed to get the wage bill down by £x million, losses down from £20 million a year to significantly less, and although attendances have dropped again not by that many as we were down to the hardcore to start with. 

The only worry they'll have on this front will be a sizeable drop in away followings to milk and a weaker position to command commercial/sponsorship deals. I'm sure they'll find a way to make it work as they always do. 

He's delivered one relegation already and very nearly on another couple of occasions so clearly the prospect of dropping into League One isn't one that overly concerns them. 

[joey_big_nose]

58 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Financially relegation might suit them. Sell off all the big earners and bring in more cheap spear carriers like DeNeve. We’re down to the die-hards now so the gates won’t drop off to the same extent.

The drop off in TV money etc is huge. I don't think it would suit them. According to this article

Payments for being in the Championship (TV, Solidarity payments etc) = £9.5M to £12M

Payments for being in League One (TV, Solidarity payments etc) = £2M to £2.4M

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cost-relegation-championship-league-one-31486100

 

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, KentExile said:

As per AI so far from gospel

 

Blackburn Rovers' latest financial accounts reveal a revenue of £21.4 million for the 2023/24 season

League One clubs averaged £9.1 million, according to Deloitte. This difference is primarily due to higher broadcasting revenue and increased commercial revenue in the Championship.

 

The League 1 figure is an average, so imagine Rovers would be slightly  higher than the average

So the cost of relegation is somewhere less than £12.3M/year

Although I would hazard a guess that relegation wage reduction clauses would cover the vast majority of that

Our League One (17-18) turnover was £9 million with the following reductions vs the relegation (£14.9 million) year:

£0.5 million match day income

£4.8 million media income

£0.6 million commercial and other income.

Wage bill went from £22 million to £16.8 million.

[bluebruce]

55 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I agree with GBE expert that the debut needs to be in the league.

So, if he played a minute in the cup, then played the full match at the weekend in the league, we would only get the points from him making his debut in the cup? This is honestly such a stupid system they've put together 😂 

(I know the minutes are irrelevant btw, just emphasising how silly it is)

Edited 1 hour ago by bluebruce