alexanders Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago I am rewatching the game now and for the first twenty minutes Trav and Henriksson were the ones who got stuck in and took on the fight. Trav also had some neat passes, both short and long and was also eager to collect the ball from Hyam, Mcloughlin and Ribeiro.ย Quote
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roverandout Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 13 hours ago, pick32 said: 30k must be Wrexham Any club other than those plasticsย Quote
Tugayisgod Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Jackson confirming what Wilsden has said regarding Mafoumbi. Respect to Wisden, he really knows his stuff ๐ ย There are two ways that Rovers could free up a space in this transfer window. That would be to either sell or release one of the players, which realistically could only happen with Mafoumbi. The striker, signed last summer, is yet to play a minute for the first team and wasn't given a squad number. The other option is to hand Mafoumbi his Championship debut. As the player hasn't yet made his senior debut for any club, making his first appearance in a bad two league would earn him five points. He'd then get an additional 10 points for playing in the Championship, hitting the 15 needed to qualify for a GBE work permit. As Mafoumbi signed more than 12 months ago (last July), he's eligible to convert from an ESC to a GBE permit in this transfer window. So if Rovers want to sign Miyoshi, Moussa Baradji or any other players that don't qualify for a GBE permit, those are their only options. ย ย ย ย 1 Quote
joey_big_nose Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 11 hours ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Heโs top for us he isnโt a top championship midfielder imo. I donโt look at him and think heโs he walks into all the top teams in the division no way we get 5m+ for him not a chanceย I disagree, on his form last season he gets into any Championship midfield. I guess we will see what offers we get, but he's more valuable than Britain who we got ยฃ3.5M for. Quote
Wing Wizard Windy Miller Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said: I noticed both of Trav and Tron turn an opposing marker and then not even have enough pace to get in front of the marker on Saturday. It happened on more than one occasion. ย It was like they were running in quicksand. The marker got back in front and nicked the ball on each occasion. Much too pedestrian. Given what weโve got up front, or more to the point what we havenโt got, we canโt afford two water carriers in central midfield. Something needs to change. We desperately need a player in there that can either carry the ball forward or make more penetrating passes. Not arguing that at all.ย We never replaced Rothwell's ability to do that.ย Playing them both is too defensive - unless you have 4 in front who can make things happen.ย We don't.ย Out of the 2, Travis is the only one with any real resale value so he will be the one to go.ย ย That said, if it wasn't down to money, I'd personally keep Travis and let Tronstadt go, just for the niggle factor he brings.ย ย ย Quote
Wing Wizard Windy Miller Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said: Jackson confirming what Wilsden has said regarding Mafoumbi. Respect to Wisden, he really knows his stuff ๐ ย There are two ways that Rovers could free up a space in this transfer window. That would be to either sell or release one of the players, which realistically could only happen with Mafoumbi. The striker, signed last summer, is yet to play a minute for the first team and wasn't given a squad number. The other option is to hand Mafoumbi his Championship debut. As the player hasn't yet made his senior debut for any club, making his first appearance in a bad two league would earn him five points. He'd then get an additional 10 points for playing in the Championship, hitting the 15 needed to qualify for a GBE work permit. As Mafoumbi signed more than 12 months ago (last July), he's eligible to convert from an ESC to a GBE permit in this transfer window. So if Rovers want to sign Miyoshi, Moussa Baradji or any other players that don't qualify for a GBE permit, those are their only options. ย ย ย ย I think Mr Jackson may have lifted that from this very forum! 6 Quote
Mattb1991 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 19 minutes ago, roverandout said: Any club other than those plasticsย Derby fan in peaceย if itโs 30k a week there must be another team in for him as he wonโt get that here with our owner.ย also watched the extended highlights of your match so not the full game and I donโt think you were as bad as some have said on Saturday. Should have had a penalty and considering West Brom should be up there this season thought you limited them most of the game and should probably have put one of your chances awayย 6 2 Quote
roverandout Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Mattb1991 said: Derby fan in peaceย if itโs 30k a week there must be another team in for him as he wonโt get that here with our owner.ย also watched the extended highlights of your match so not the full game and I donโt think you were as bad as some have said on Saturday. Should have had a penalty and considering West Brom should be up there this season thought you limited them most of the game and should probably have put one of your chances awayย I was referring to Wrexham as plastics not Derby btw 1 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 31 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said: I disagree, on his form last season he gets into any Championship midfield. I guess we will see what offers we get, but he's more valuable than Britain who we got ยฃ3.5M for. Strongly disagree on that but heโs certainly valuable for us and will be a huge lossย Quote
Mattb1991 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 8 minutes ago, roverandout said: I was referring to Wrexham as plastics not Derby btw Thatโs my thoughts on the team who may come back in for him after there loss considering they were linked to him beforeย 1 Quote
Beanie01289 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said: Travis is one of those vocal,ย niggly, dark arts characters that every club needs. Ability wise he' s a solid top half championship player but it's the other qualities he has that make him an integral squad member.ย ย Can you replace his stats in the pitch? More than likely.ย That's not the whole picture though.ย ย Value wise, given his contract, I'd say ยฃ2 - 2.5 mil is a fair deal.ย ย in a normal world that's a fair value but as we are told the budget is set so no matter what we sell any replacement comes out of the existing budget so pointless selling. 1 Quote
rovers11 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago We can write off the Miyoshi deal now, it won't be happening. The last ESC spot will go to Baradji once Trav is sold. Mafoumbi will be released at that point to make room.ย Bucko will go out on loan and we'll get a loan midfield to replace him, who will then be back up to Tavares and Tronstad whilst Baradji undergoes his operation. That's my strong gut feeling. We are crying out for attacking talent and will flirt with relegation if we don't add a striker and RW.ย I still don't understand how a striker was a huge priority in Jan and we ended up getting an expensive one on loan. Yet, come the summer we no longer see it as a priority area. Although a great character, Gueye is not good enough, and Ohashi is still relatively inexperienced in this league. Leonard is an injury write off. 2 Quote
bluebruce Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 54 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said: Jackson confirming what Wilsden has said regarding Mafoumbi. Respect to Wisden, he really knows his stuff ๐ ย There are two ways that Rovers could free up a space in this transfer window. That would be to either sell or release one of the players, which realistically could only happen with Mafoumbi. The striker, signed last summer, is yet to play a minute for the first team and wasn't given a squad number. The other option is to hand Mafoumbi his Championship debut. As the player hasn't yet made his senior debut for any club, making his first appearance in a bad two league would earn him five points. He'd then get an additional 10 points for playing in the Championship, hitting the 15 needed to qualify for a GBE work permit. As Mafoumbi signed more than 12 months ago (last July), he's eligible to convert from an ESC to a GBE permit in this transfer window. So if Rovers want to sign Miyoshi, Moussa Baradji or any other players that don't qualify for a GBE permit, those are their only options. ย ย ย ย I think we're comfortably at the point where I put credence in Wilsden confirming what Jackson says, more than Jackson confirming what Wilsden says. He's also missing the third option of going to the appeals board. One thing that doesn't seem to have been discussed here...I'd expect even if Miyoshi's game in the second tier knocks his points down, it shouldn't be too hard to argue to an appeals board that he would have qualified a week ago and isn't any worse a player now. Japan international, experience in the Bundesliga, Championship, Belgian top flight. Prime years. In his recent season at Brum he played 43 Championship games which would have auto qualified him if it had been applied for but obviously he had a release clause so that didn't happen. Seems a no brainer for a panel to me. 1 Quote
roversfan99 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 4 minutes ago, rovers11 said: We can write off the Miyoshi deal now, it won't be happening. The last ESC spot will go to Baradji once Trav is sold. Mafoumbi will be released at that point to make room.ย Bucko will go out on loan and we'll get a loan midfield to replace him, who will then be back up to Tavares and Tronstad whilst Baradji undergoes his operation. That's my strong gut feeling. We are crying out for attacking talent and will flirt with relegation if we don't add a striker and RW.ย I still don't understand how a striker was a huge priority in Jan and we ended up getting an expensive one on loan. Yet, come the summer we no longer see it as a priority area. Although a great character, Gueye is not good enough, and Ohashi is still relatively inexperienced in this league. Leonard is an injury write off. We did see it as a priority at the start of the summer. Gestede said publically, so something has changed. Quote
bluebruce Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 6 minutes ago, rovers11 said: ย I still don't understand how a striker was a huge priority in Jan and we ended up getting an expensive one on loan. Yet, come the summer we no longer see it as a priority area. Although a great character, Gueye is not good enough, and Ohashi is still relatively inexperienced in this league. Leonard is an injury write off. Probably a combination of factors. New manager who may be more concerned by other positions. Growing faith in Tyjon being able to contribute as he is a bit older now. But, since I'm fairly sure a striker was mentioned earlier in the window, I think the biggest one is probably the exodus meaning other positions have changed in priority and that's sucked the budget up. Edited 3 hours ago by bluebruce Quote
KentExile Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 15 minutes ago, bluebruce said: Probably a combination of factors. New manager who may be more concerned by other positions. Growing faith in Tyjon being able to contribute as he is a bit older now. But, since I'm fairly sure a striker was mentioned earlier in the window, I think the biggest one is probably the exodus meaning other positions have changed in priority.ย It definitely wasย one of the 5 priorities that Gestede mentionedย in April. When Ismael had been here a couple of monthsย And he specifically said striker, not forwards Exact quotes below, with (a rather charitable) opinion of which new signing fills what role in red ย "We need a left-sided centre-back, that's been obvious," Gestede told The Lancashire Telegraph. "Scott Wharton has been missing all season, we don't want to put pressure on him when he's back and expect him to play every week. It will not work. We need someone to cover this position. (McLoughlin) "On the right, we need cover for Callum Brittain. We have Leo Duru but we need some business in this area.ย (Miller & Alebiosu) "Right-wing, we have Amario, who is going back. Tyrhys is the only other player in this position. (still waiting,ย although I will concede that De Neve is a player who plays wide, if not specifically on the right) "We want a number eight, a box-to-box type of midfielder and we don't have that at the minute. That's something we need to cover. (Tavares, Henriksson?) "We want some power up front to challenge the two strikers we have, we will do some business." (seemingly forgotten about) Edited 2 hours ago by KentExile 3 Quote
47er Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago I think Tijon's time has come, ready or not. Not much else we can do up-front. He'll either sink or swim. 5 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 46 minutes ago, Mattb1991 said: Derby fan in peaceย if itโs 30k a week there must be another team in for him as he wonโt get that here with our owner.ย also watched the extended highlights of your match so not the full game and I donโt think you were as bad as some have said on Saturday. Should have had a penalty and considering West Brom should be up there this season thought you limited them most of the game and should probably have put one of your chances awayย Lynch him. Quote
Wing Wizard Windy Miller Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: We did see it as a priority at the start of the summer. Gestede said publically, so something has changed. Usually the most expensive signing ย They won't pay for one and would rather try and wing it with Ohashi and Gueye.ย ย 5 Quote
Lancaster Rover Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago So we've not added any strikers, no RW and no 8 from what I can see, as neither Tavares or Henrikksen are 8's.ย Outside of the outgoing that needed replacing immediately i.e. McLoughlin and Miller we've added players in non priority positions in another LB/LWB and another CDM and another CAM. Good strategy that completely going against your initial strategy you've worked on over a number of months in relation to issues in the previous season. Quote
JHRover Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said: Usually the most expensive signing ย They won't pay for one and would rather try and wing it with Ohashi and Gueye.ย ย Indeed. When every decision is being made with ยฃยฃยฃ in mind - cutting costs and wages and bringing in cash from sales - it is very easy to see why they've ditched the idea of signing quality up front.ย 2 Quote
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 55 minutes ago, Mattb1991 said: Derby fan in peaceย if itโs 30k a week there must be another team in for him as he wonโt get that here with our owner.ย also watched the extended highlights of your match so not the full game and I donโt think you were as bad as some have said on Saturday. Should have had a penalty and considering West Brom should be up there this season thought you limited them most of the game and should probably have put one of your chances awayย What chances were they matey ? Ohashi had a good attempt at goal as he was falling, later on he should have had a pen. After that - a lot of huff and puff but we wonโt blow anybodyโs house down with what we have at the present. 2 Quote
Leonard Venkhater Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 8 minutes ago, JHRover said: Indeed. When every decision is being made with ยฃยฃยฃ in mind - cutting costs and wages and bringing in cash from sales - it is very easy to see why they've ditched the idea of signing quality up front.ย I wonder what would be the cost of relegation... The Suhail way-Spoil the ship for a hap-orth of tar... Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, joey_big_nose said: I disagree, on his form last season he gets into any Championship midfield. I guess we will see what offers we get, but he's more valuable than Britain who we got ยฃ3.5M for. At the end of the day right now he's only worth what a team will pay and i really don't see anyone stumping up 2 million or more and a good contract when they can get him for free in summer and maybe offer him two years on big money. As for us it would be really stupid to entertain anything less than around 2 million with add ons but i assume they are getting desperate now having brought a few in. So i'll stick to my guns and say if he does go it'll be undisclosed to save the blushes and probably be about 1.5 million. 3 Quote
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