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1 hour ago, tomphil said:

Point was up until he blew that money yes he was doing a good job even if it is frustrating at times with the way he operates. Trouble now is those buys and that money is defining him in reality it's probably an average job as our league position will show.

Well that £12m + wages is going to define his time here. It'll be the reason we have to sell promising players and why we haven't been able to reinforce areas of weakness.

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45 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Well that £12m + wages is going to define his time here. It'll be the reason we have to sell promising players and why we haven't been able to reinforce areas of weakness.

That 12million,  the shambles in selling our keeper and ending up with Walton, and the inability to bring in a decent centre half in 6 transfer windows are the big failings.

The latter was plugged by loaning Tosin, but the £12 mill will really be the defining factor.  In an effort to try and make it not look like the disaster it is, the two players in question have been shoehorned into the side out wide, whilst superior players have been dropped. The first mistake was spending the money on duds, the second was constantly weakening the side to play them.

We got told last summer to give Mowbray another year and next season will be better for Brereton. The same suspects will now give the same spiel once again.

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56 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Well that £12m + wages is going to define his time here. It'll be the reason we have to sell promising players and why we haven't been able to reinforce areas of weakness.

True but if he sold 12 million worth of players he's covering his mistakes somewhat financially and in their eyes that'll probably earn him more kudos. 

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Those people worried that the next manager could leave us worse off next season.

Tell me, what is worse off than relegation? As that is exactly where I think we'll be with Mowbray. Especially with this off-season of confusion.

Add another Poll - where would Rovers finish next season if they kept Mowbray... my vote would be bottom 3. Anyone voting top 6 needs a psychology evaluation.

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I think, correct me if I am wrong, that we are now at 1 win in 8 games and 5 wins in 20 games. With three very tough ones up next I expect that to be extended. For us to have been in the thick of the play off chase up until this dreadful week despite pretty poor form prior to it highlights what this league is all about - any side that has any degree of consistency will at some stage or another be in the play off race. When you only need to hit 6th the reality is anyone in the mid range of this league will be close to it at stages of the season.

Other than the impressive Bristol City victory (which in hindsight is less impressive than first thought as they are in freefall) we have been really poor now for some time, and attempts at blaming it on player absences, Covid 19 or a tough run of games don't cut it.

In a normal world of a multi-million pound business there would be a thorough examination of these patterns, their causes and consequences.

At the very least I would expect to see the manager project an image of someone under significant pressure to turn results around and yet listening to him other than odd snippets he really gives no indication that he is concerned very much about results or that there is any pressure at all from upstairs to rectify it. 

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1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18561970.dack-mowbrays-mind-rovers-suffer-another-injury/

Mowbrays moaning about not having Dack fit to take them chances yesterday. Understandable but also not an excuse considering that weve spent as much as we have on our forward line.

"Quality takes those chances"

Classic Mowbray foot in mouth. He gets better and better and got a few laughs from this one.

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5 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

"Quality takes those chances"

Classic Mowbray foot in mouth. He gets better and better and got a few laughs from this one.

 

Inspirational. I bet Gally can’t wait to get back out there.

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3 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Agreed but setting a target of 70 points is completely pointless anyway as I can't remember the last time that figure got anyone into the play offs, the figure is usually at least 74 or 75.

Who on earth sets a target of finishing just outside the play offs? I'm sure Mowbray was aware of what he was saying and it just goes to emphasise how he is taking everyone and the owners for fools by doing the bare minimum, muddling along and keeping himself and his coaching staff and the majority of his squad in a long term job.

If he wasn't aware that 70 points doesn't secure a play off place then that merely serves to underline his incompetence and the fact that he was never really serious about aiming for promotion in the first place.

That and claiming not to know who McLaughlin was! Sunderland’s keeper 5 miles down the road from where he lives. It’s like any of us not knowing who plays for Burnley .

so it’s either Bare faced lies or complete Incompetence . Take your pick . 
The mowbray conversation is exactly the same stuff as everyone expressed last August . A last minute mess of a window by a dinosaur who doesn’t know what he’s building  Or the new style of football we are still all waiting for a year on .

Nice man probably, total clown of a manager . Having no personality , which he hasn’t, doesn’t make him any better than Many of his predecessors.

if our budget was based on  the bullshit that comes out of that club we’d be loaded .

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I think he might be about to go from coasting it to having a very difficult job next season given what may happen with the covid fall out and budgets etc.

We'll see what the cosy jobs for the boys club he seems to rely so heavily on is really made of. The loss of a couple of top players like Dack & Armstrong, the absence of any luxury style loaness and the inability financially to bring much in other than freebies and lower end loans would there be enough in what he's 'built' to even make midtable ?

That's how flimsy it is if you break it down, at present we remain one step away from being a really good side - a good reliable striker would have made all the difference these past few games, or a younger Danny Graham.

Yet we are also one step away from potentially being a really struggling one.  We need the bean counters to find the Boris magic money tree this summer as much as ever. 

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Very predictable by TM in the Telegraph, whining about Dack being out was always going to be just around the corner. The problem is its his fault we've got so few options all over the pitch, including £12m spent on two strikers that currently look non league standard. Really winds me up how he appears to not have to answer for being bang average at his job. 

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His strengths and his blind spots just about balance each other out i think and that reflects itself in the league positions and transfer business. Any real internal pressure and i think he'd crumble pretty quickly just cast the minds back to that horrendous run when he was whinging about being ( 1.5 hrs ) away from his family and having 2 week breaks etc.

It almost sounded like he wanted sacking sometimes to be put out of his misery he definitely looked like he needed a break. Also lets not forget how much he and Waggot have convinced them to spend on the infrastructure recently.  There's the alleged new scouting network and they employ people to sit in offices watching players then they employ people to fly drones around the training pitch filming everything. There's probably a host of other stuff as well.

Make no mistake these lot are costing the club a lot of money on top of the transfer fees yet we aren't seeing any bang for the bucks really yet. Sooner or later surely he's going to get pulled up on it.

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https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18562931.not-level---mowbray-rovers-fading-play-off-hopes/

Mowbray saying we aren't at the level of play-offs/automatic promotion, i mean he's right.

Sounds like the aim was just to build on a higher placed finish than last seasons 15th place to make it to the top 10.

"We’re Blackburn Rovers, hopefully around the top 10 this year, but last year, 16th."

He also apparently knows why we are inconsistent.

“It’s frustrating, but I know the reasons. I’ve been in the game a long time and I know where we are as a club."

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I think we're very much at a cross road again as a club, going into this summer gives me a very familiar feeling of the summer of 2015.

Remember the optimism of the opening game of that season against Cardiff, a decent crowd on and on paper a side that looked like it could challenge. We stumbled a bit before finally spending around two weeks in the top 6 around November time, before an awful Christmas period and an inconsistent second half of the season, which was masked by a good FA Cup run. That side had Rhodes & Gestede scoring 20 goals each, King, Cairney, Marshall & Conway as other attacking outlets, along with a back four including Hanley, Duffy & Baptiste, with an ex England GK behind them. We ended up finishing 9th and 11 points off the play offs. Bowyers time was clearly up, but we held on and soon enough FFP bit, Gestede & Cairney were sold on, to be replaced by Danny Guthrie & Nathan Delfounso, downhill for the next two years followed by a relegation. 

I can see things going the same way this summer unfortunately.

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54 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18562931.not-level---mowbray-rovers-fading-play-off-hopes/

Mowbray saying we aren't at the level of play-offs/automatic promotion, i mean he's right.

Sounds like the aim was just to build on a higher placed finish than last seasons 15th place to make it to the top 10.

"We’re Blackburn Rovers, hopefully around the top 10 this year, but last year, 16th."

He also apparently knows why we are inconsistent.

“It’s frustrating, but I know the reasons. I’ve been in the game a long time and I know where we are as a club."

Well he's nearly right, we finished 15th..........

Strewth, we're struggling if he can't even remember where we finished last season and he thinks 70 points normally secures a play off berth.

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Also

"We're plodding around at the middle of the table right now but I feel that since promotion from League 1 that we've moved beyond plodding around the middle of the table."

Classic! 

How can the players fail to be inspired?

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I just look at the facts 5 points from the last 21 available, with 1 reasonable performance out of 7

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17 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Well he's nearly right, we finished 15th..........

Strewth, we're struggling if he can't even remember where we finished last season and he thinks 70 points normally secures a play off berth.

What are we on now 56 points, with 5 to play?

Looks like we will fall short of the 70 point target set by Mogga at the start. 3 tough games next leaving Luton, who have already beaten us this season) and Reading (who we did beat earlier this season)

I reckon we'll get a max of 61 points in total, putting us just 1 point above last seasons tally. 

I guess technically, it's still progress 🤔

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56 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It's the football on display most of the time that does my head in. Dull, uninspiring, unimaginative, boring, tedious, gutless, I could fill a page with similar adjectives but they would all equally apply to the manager as well. For me football is there to get your blood racing and your heart pounding, it's to send you home with excitement coursing through your body. At the moment it's more likely to send you to sleep. Do they not realise they're supposed to be part of the " entertainment Industry " ?

When we keep going on long winless runs anyway i don't see why he's so risk averse to just having a go. The last 3 games sums it all up for me.

He says we probably aren't at that top 6 level yet and he's right but neither are Preston and a host of other clubs but somebody will take those spots. I'd ask is he at that level himself in terms of ambition and balls ?

It doesn't look like it and on another note i'm sure a 12 million injection over 2 summers would transform a few into being there. 

All you ask as a fan is that he and they fight tooth and nail for the prize when it's in touching distance.

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43 minutes ago, tomphil said:

When we keep going on long winless runs anyway i don't see why he's so risk averse to just having a go. The last 3 games sums it all up for me.

He says we probably aren't at that top 6 level yet and he's right but neither are Preston and a host of other clubs but somebody will take those spots. I'd ask is he at that level himself in terms of ambition and balls ?

It doesn't look like it and on another note i'm sure a 12 million injection over 2 summers would transform a few into being there. 

All you ask as a fan is that he and they fight tooth and nail for the prize when it's in touching distance.

The way we allowed Wigan to walk away with the number 1 spot when we got promoted spoke volumes for me. Chances like that come along once or twice a generation if you're lucky.

I'm coming around to the conclusion that the " Chicken Chokers " end game is to demoralise and reduce the fan base to such a point that they can wrap the club up and there won't be enough people left to make a fuss. Look at Bury.

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1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The way we allowed Wigan to walk away with the number 1 spot when we got promoted spoke volumes for me. Chances like that come along once or twice a generation if you're lucky.

I'm coming around to the conclusion that the " Chicken Chokers " end game is to demoralise and reduce the fan base to such a point that they can wrap the club up and there won't be enough people left to make a fuss. Look at Bury.

Said it half a dozen times before but if going into these last few games Mowbrays arse was on the line they'd have all come out fighting on the front foot. It's a good bet we'd have taken 3 to 9 points we've seen it before but we always see too much of is the tepid stuff we even saw it fighting relegation.

There was no pressure on them after the lockdown just a case of lets go all guns blazing to win as many as we can and see were we end up. What we've seen since we caught Bristol cold is akin to pre season stuff, tap it about and get as many involved as possible.  Really got me angry that more than anything Mowbray says or even his persistence with the nonsense with Gallagher.

Actions speak louder than words and what we've seen speaks volumes about the lack of urgency running through the whole camp.

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Sounds like he going nowhere and Venkys are happy with him. 

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