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43 minutes ago, martonrover said:

 They will stick with Mowbray through ignorance and because they have not appointed a suitably enlightened chief executive who could make an informed appointment.

It's abundantly obvious that Mowbray has reached the end of his shelf life at Rovers, and that our direction of travel under him will very soon be backwards.

That's what happens in this game when you attempt to tread water.

Suitable candidates to take us forward are out there, some of them obvious, (e.g. Hughton), some less obvious, (which is why you need a real chief exec, rather than a hired goon for window dressing), to pick the right one.

We are snookered.

 

This season has seen the emergence of Armstrong, his finishing and all round game has significantly improved under Mowbray, the same can be said about Nyambe. We have Gallagher who will be decent at this level, Dack to come back and Lenihan has all the attributes to play at a higher level, a decent nucleus of a team.

The assumption that we're going backwards, when in fact we've finished higher in the league than last season with more points and players are improving, simply isn't correct.

Of course I'm not saying everything is perfect, we need to improve several positions starting with a keeper, but the side continues to gain experience at this level, which is extremely important and a few additions gives us a better chance than rolling that dice in my opinion marton.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, m1st said:

I've never been 'in the know'; so I've no names to put forward.

But I'd give my eye teeth for a Premier League player coming towards the end of his playing career - a sort of latter-day Howard Kendall - to re-shape the squad and, ideally, have the same sort of effect that he did in the early 1980s. Imagine, for example, finding a good keeper from the National League [North]!

Lots of top players don't have to do that these days. They've made enough money to just retire. When was the last successful player manager ?

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49 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Money talks ,if they offer enough money then plenty of managers would be willing to come and work here.

Didn't Warnock agree to come here?Instead we ended up with Coyle and relegation while Warnock got Cardiff promoted.

Unfortunately "If" is a very big word indeed.

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59 minutes ago, Gav said:

This season has seen the emergence of Armstrong, his finishing and all round game has significantly improved under Mowbray, the same can be said about Nyambe. We have Gallagher who will be decent at this level, Dack to come back and Lenihan has all the attributes to play at a higher level, a decent nucleus of a team.

The assumption that we're going backwards, when in fact we've finished higher in the league than last season with more points and players are improving, simply isn't correct.

Of course I'm not saying everything is perfect, we need to improve several positions starting with a keeper, but the side continues to gain experience at this level, which is extremely important and a few additions gives us a better chance than rolling that dice in my opinion marton.

 

 

 

The problem is that the hole at the bottom of the bucket keeps getting bigger, ie we can't defend and are showing no signs of improvement in that crucial area.

We currently have no goalkeepers and only one decent centre half on our books.

Okay, we got slightly more points that last season and finished marginally higher up the table, but not enough to claim tangible progress. That constitutes treading water, in my book.

By default, I reluctantly agree with your last sentence, but only due to the point I made about the ignorance of the owners and the chief executive they have installed.

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We have improved our league position Gav that is true,for me his one and only saving grace.

We should be aiming to brake into the top six next season..if it doesn't look like coming to fruition then we should thank him for his efforts and part ways at the earliest possible opportunity.As early as possible.

Mowbray does not inspire me personally never mind the players,I find his talk and body language dour and apathetic at times.Talks up Clubs like ferkin Brentford like they are Barcelona!!

 

Edited by A Northern Horde...

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2 hours ago, Gav said:

This season has seen the emergence of Armstrong, his finishing and all round game has significantly improved under Mowbray, the same can be said about Nyambe. We have Gallagher who will be decent at this level, Dack to come back and Lenihan has all the attributes to play at a higher level, a decent nucleus of a team.

The assumption that we're going backwards, when in fact we've finished higher in the league than last season with more points and players are improving, simply isn't correct.

Of course I'm not saying everything is perfect, we need to improve several positions starting with a keeper, but the side continues to gain experience at this level, which is extremely important and a few additions gives us a better chance than rolling that dice in my opinion marton.

 

 

 

He was and has always been considered an excellent finisher - in fact he was classed as the best finisher at Newcastle many years ago. Not sure they have really improved that as it seems something he is just natural at. I would agree that his all-round game has come on a bit but the lad is a CF and not really one of these fancy wide-forwards. He has got better at that admittedly but so he should as that is the position he played for Bolton and Birmingham(?) previously when on loan - so had plenty of practice by now.

As for the rest of the post, yes we finished 3 points better off but fell short of our own managers target. We now have to undergo a huge overhaul in the transfer window yet again because we bought in a couple of misfiring strikers. Not only do we now have to hope that 'defenders are coming' yet again, but also that we might actually get a goalkeeper. On top of that, our best all-round striker has left meaning we now have to hope and prey that these misfiring strikers learn hoe to play football in the next few weeks. 

 

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21 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

He was and has always been considered an excellent finisher - in fact he was classed as the best finisher at Newcastle many years ago. Not sure they have really improved that as it seems something he is just natural at. I would agree that his all-round game has come on a bit but the lad is a CF and not really one of these fancy wide-forwards. He has got better at that admittedly but so he should as that is the position he played for Bolton and Birmingham(?) previously when on loan - so had plenty of practice by now.

As for the rest of the post, yes we finished 3 points better off but fell short of our own managers target. We now have to undergo a huge overhaul in the transfer window yet again because we bought in a couple of misfiring strikers. Not only do we now have to hope that 'defenders are coming' yet again, but also that we might actually get a goalkeeper. On top of that, our best all-round striker has left meaning we now have to hope and prey that these misfiring strikers learn hoe to play football in the next few weeks. 

 

Expect the worst, hope for the best

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3 hours ago, Gav said:

This season has seen the emergence of Armstrong, his finishing and all round game has significantly improved under Mowbray, the same can be said about Nyambe. We have Gallagher who will be decent at this level, Dack to come back and Lenihan has all the attributes to play at a higher level, a decent nucleus of a team.

The assumption that we're going backwards, when in fact we've finished higher in the league than last season with more points and players are improving, simply isn't correct.

Of course I'm not saying everything is perfect, we need to improve several positions starting with a keeper, but the side continues to gain experience at this level, which is extremely important and a few additions gives us a better chance than rolling that dice in my opinion marton.

 

 

 

The highest finish for five years wouldn’t normally prompt calls for a manager’s head along with predictions of imminent doom. 
 

He isn’t getting fired - there’s no money to pay him and his team off anyway - and he’s showing no signs of walking away, and why would he? 
 

I expect this thread to reach at least 500 pages before we have a different manager.

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3 hours ago, JacknOry said:

Would be the best bonus they ever paid out if he manages it. Also shows the confidence of the man.

Yet somehow he was outbid by Coyle during the Rovers reverse auction interview process!

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2 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Yet somehow he was outbid by Coyle during the Rovers reverse auction interview process!

Good point - it was often muted that Coyle was the cheapest option. 

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6 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

The highest finish for five years wouldn’t normally prompt calls for a manager’s head along with predictions of imminent doom. 
 

He isn’t getting fired - there’s no money to pay him and his team off anyway - and he’s showing no signs of walking away, and why would he? 
 

I expect this thread to reach at least 500 pages before we have a different manager.

Glad to see you understand the real reason we aren't changing managers. Mowbray set the target at 70 points and playoffs as the absolute minimum. We didn't get there. That's why there are calls for the manager's head.

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10 minutes ago, Richard Oakley said:

Glad to see you understand the real reason we aren't changing managers. Mowbray set the target at 70 points and playoffs as the absolute minimum. We didn't get there. That's why there are calls for the manager's head.

I missed the bit where he said that was the absolute minimum, as opposed to the target, and that it would be a resigning matter if we fell short.

I think people have conflated different things he said - and he certainly says a lot of nonsense - such as 70 points being the target and him being willing to walk away if he felt he couldn’t take us any further. I’m pretty sure he didn’t say those in the same sentence and there’s a huge difference between him feeling he’s taken us as far as he can and a few dozen posters on here feeling it.

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lots of us want mowbray gone because the football is mind numbing,the team is mentally weak,everybody is out of position and he`s blown 12 million quid on two strikers,one of whom would look out of place on a sunday morning and the other who spends games out wide looking lost,this team makes big sams look cavalier,at least his side could defend though

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15 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

I missed the bit where he said that was the absolute minimum, as opposed to the target, and that it would be a resigning matter if we fell short.

I think people have conflated different things he said - and he certainly says a lot of nonsense - such as 70 points being the target and him being willing to walk away if he felt he couldn’t take us any further. I’m pretty sure he didn’t say those in the same sentence and there’s a huge difference between him feeling he’s taken us as far as he can and a few dozen posters on here feeling it.

Mowbray didn't say it would be a resigning matter if he didn't. Mowbray said he lived his life by "honesty, integrity, humility and respect" in a BBC Sport interview on taking over as Celtic manager June 17th 2009. I would expect someone who claims to live like that to resign after failing to hit his targets. Missed targets usually gets people fired in the 'real world'.

I think the feeling that Mowbray can't take us any further extends way beyond a few dozen posters on here. Mowbray, however, thinks he can get us into the premier league. @simongarnerisgod ,above, posts reasons why his confidence maybe misplaced.

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19 minutes ago, Richard Oakley said:

Mowbray didn't say it would be a resigning matter if he didn't. Mowbray said he lived his life by "honesty, integrity, humility and respect" in a BBC Sport interview on taking over as Celtic manager June 17th 2009. I would expect someone who claims to live like that to resign after failing to hit his targets. Missed targets usually gets people fired in the 'real world'.

I think the feeling that Mowbray can't take us any further extends way beyond a few dozen posters on here. Mowbray, however, thinks he can get us into the premier league. @simongarnerisgod ,above, posts reasons why his confidence maybe misplaced.

Given how much he babbles on pretty much every day, picking one thing he said 11 years ago and applying your own values against it hardly counts as evidence of anything in my view. But I suspect we can both agree that being owned by Venkys is a very long way from a normal definition of the real world.

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2 hours ago, Stuart said:

Yet somehow he was outbid by Coyle during the Rovers reverse auction interview process!

If Mowbray goes the same people at Rovers will make the ultimate decision as to his successor as went for Coyle.

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It should be blatantly obvious to anyone that we'll never get promoted from the Championship under Mowbray and probably won't even seriously challenge for the play offs so with that in mind I'd rather give Damien Johnson a chance to see what he can do rather than do nothing and stick with Mowbray who we know won't get us anywhere.

If Johnson fails, so be it, we'd have to get a more experienced man, in but at least we tried something as opposed to doing nothing and resigning ourself to failure season after season. 

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25 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

If Mowbray goes the same people at Rovers will make the ultimate decision as to his successor as went for Coyle.

Been said before but they picked Mowbray who apparently you're happy with so that rather defeats your argument.

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1 hour ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

Given how much he babbles on pretty much every day, picking one thing he said 11 years ago and applying your own values against it hardly counts as evidence of anything in my view. But I suspect we can both agree that being owned by Venkys is a very long way from a normal definition of the real world.

It is claimed by a number of posters over a number of years that Mowbray has "honesty, integrity, humility and respect". Do you think Mowbray has these values?

You say that Mowbray babbles everyday. Do you dismiss everything he says as not being evidence of anything?

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11 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It should be blatantly obvious to anyone that we'll never get promoted from the Championship under Mowbray and probably won't even seriously challenge for the play offs so with that in mind I'd rather give Damien Johnson a chance to see what he can do rather than do nothing and stick with Mowbray who we know won't get us anywhere.

If Johnson fails, so be it, we'd have to get a more experienced man, in but at least we tried something as opposed to doing nothing and resigning ourself to failure season after season. 

I don't follow your thinking on this Rev.

Mowbray already has 1 promotion under his belt at Ewood, he won a Championship league title and gained promotion to the Premiership with West Brom, but you want to replace him with a coach who has never bought a player and never managed a football club, he was running the under 14's a few years ago!

Thats just bonkers, with respect.

Mowbray needs to bring in a new keeper, a new defender to replace Tosin, potentially Tosin himslef! and do some tinkering around the edges. If after 10 games we don't look like challenging then yes get rid, but not for Damien Johnson, that would be madness and show that we've learnt nothing from appointing cr@p coaches in the past.

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14 hours ago, JacknOry said:

Good point - it was often muted that Coyle was the cheapest option. 

Yes but at the end of the day he wasn't. What did relegation cost us ? Penny wise and pound foolish.

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I suppose we just have to hope that the old school approach of giving a manager time works for us. 

If it doesn't , we just have to hope someone , Mowbray included, knows when it's time to end the relationship. I don't think it is as clear cut as this is the time, contrary to many on here. Whilst very, very frustrating at times, he has done just about enough to have another season here. Just about.

 

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14 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

If Mowbray goes the same people at Rovers will make the ultimate decision as to his successor as went for Coyle.

Changed your bogeyman from Phil Brown then. Oh well, I guess we must stay with Tony and finish 14th every season.

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10 minutes ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Changed your bogeyman from Phil Brown then. Oh well, I guess we must stay with Tony and finish 14th every season.

We finished 11th this season :rock:

As BDS says above, giving the manager time may just work to our advantage, the sides got more experience in this league, the manager knows we have a number of weak links that aren't capable of pushing on, look to replace them.

Mowbray knows what it takes to get out of this league, we have to hope he can pull it off. 

Edited by Gav

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1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Yes but at the end of the day he wasn't. What did relegation cost us ? Penny wise and pound foolish.

This is the epitaph of the entire Venky reign so far.

Pinch pounds with one hand and throw 50 pound notes on the bonfire with the other.

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