[Archived] Brentford At Home 7.11.2015

[matt83]

Genuinely intrigued as to whether there are any vocal backers for him now.

I don't think anyone genuinely supports bowyer just either too stubborn to admit they were wrong or on here a vehicle for arguing with posters may not like who take an anti bowyer stance.

For years now all I've heard for bowyer is the usual Bowyers allegedly a nice guy (in spite the fact he has digs at the fans) therefore should stay. In reality it only means he's nicer than Steve kean which isn't hard.

Or bowyer should stay because who will venkys appoint anyway. Whilst a concern hardly a ringing endorsement of bowyer

Or he's still learning. I'll be collecting my pension before that buffoon learns the rate he's going.

Oh and he sold our best players for 3000% profit. Most fans of most clubs resent the best being sold but not here.

I've said it before and I'll say it again bowyer is the luckiest manager in football to be given an opportunity in the first place to be a manager, lucky the owners are nutters who won't sack him, and lucky apathy has firmly set in with the dwindling fan base.

[tomphil]

Genuinely intrigued as to whether there are any vocal backers for him now. Surely even Chaddy can't be far off changing his tune?

Tomphil - it does my head in about Bayes as well. As you say, he feeds the bloody get out of jail free card to Gaz every single time. 'Well you must be thinking that you can't do anymore to win a game, Gary?'. 'It's surely coming isn't it Gary, if you stay as resolute at the back, the chances will come up top won't they?'. 'The fans are all behind you aren't they, Gary?' When will he or Wheelock ask some real questions?

Bayes is as big a bottler as Bowyer mate. He commentates really well yet faced with the chief conductor he just blows smoke up his ass. He's either told to go down that route because Bowyer is so mard or he's trying to be a pal of his.

Back to the game and anyone watching that today who doesn't think it was a crock of sh@ite is deluded. Utter dross and a complete revert to type performance we've seen so many times before. As with the Derby and Brum games we are back to being content to let the opposition play. We've had bad luck in a couple of games performance wise but that today was worthy of defeat.

No missed chances, no clean sheet, no bad luck ( the opposite really). No chances drop to Rhodes and he has one of his bad days and yet again we don't look like scoring. Lawrence tried really hard but it wasn't coming off for him and Ben Marshall worked his nuts off. The rest apart from Steele were on a different planet, you never want long ball to be your first option but today was crying out for an outlet upfront and someone to rough the defence up and drag them about.

[Doug]

Just back, wow that wasn't a good performance, they pressed us and we couldn't cope.

Their baldy (Mcormack? Mcsomething I'm sure) bullied our weaklings.

Marshall was excellent again and rightly got the MOM, the only positive point I can make.

Conway worked hard but was up against good RB.

Akpan and Evans were poor, always the wrong side of their man.

Olsson is going backwards, doesn't seem to want the ball and when he gets it he can't get rid quick enough.

Hanley and Murphy struggled with the movement of the Brentford forwards and often found themselves the wrong side, possibly due to woeful CM's.

Rhodes - the invisible man today.

Lawrence has pace and looks our best forward but we need him to play on the last man to exploit this.

Looked a poor attendance, didn't hear it announced.

I suppose we didn't lose.

[blueboy3333]

We do, but some people support GB remaining as manager and some don't. What's the issue with that?

If they want to support him that's up to them, if they don't fair enough. I don't have an 'issue' either way.

Anyway, some 'support' him because they see a lack of a viable alternative due to the incompetence and neglect shown by the owners. Hopefully that will change but Bowyer gets no criticism from me overall, although for the first time since he took over i wouldn't be averse to him being potted, providing we have a quality replacement lined up. By quality i don't mean the likes of 'wee' Dougie and the rest of the bob-a-job Championship managers who do the rounds, but someone with the ability to turn draws into wins, and someone who can get the wins against the likes of the Dingles when we play them off the park like t'other week.

Bowyer isn't that bad at all, we rarely get out-played or turned over anymore, he just doesn't have that extra quality (ruthless streak/luck?) that the truly successful managers have. We don't have close to the best or biggest squad in the league, but then nor do Brum, so we need a 'Rowett' basically!

There's no doubting we could get a better manager though

[Speedie Dived]

Poorest we have been for a while today. We just lack another couple of players with similar quality to Lawrence. Think we are going to struggle to hang on to him.

Heard an interesting one today that Ollson is going to Derby in jan.

[hovis boy]

So glad I stayed under my stone, just a pity the manager can't.

[Pedro]

Poorest we have been for a while today. We just lack another couple of players with similar quality to Lawrence. Think we are going to struggle to hang on to him.

Heard an interesting one today that Ollson is going to Derby in jan.

We lack a manager. It is that simple.

[mustard]

Well, that was dull.

An undeserved point. Our equaliser has to be one of the scabbiest goals against the run of play I've ever seen.

The shambles that is our club was personified by a Brentford player needing the stretcher, only for the medical staff to run around until they figured out they'd lost it, followed by a few minutes wasted whilst someone dashed off down the tunnel to find it.

[tomphil]

If they want to support him that's up to them, if they don't fair enough. I don't have an 'issue' either way.

Anyway, some 'support' him because they see a lack of a viable alternative due to the incompetence and neglect shown by the owners. Hopefully that will change but Bowyer gets no criticism from me overall, although for the first time since he took over i wouldn't be averse to him being potted, providing we have a quality replacement lined up. By quality i don't mean the likes of 'wee' Dougie and the rest of the bob-a-job Championship managers who do the rounds, but someone with the ability to turn draws into wins, and someone who can get the wins against the likes of the Dingles when we play them off the park like t'other week.

Bowyer isn't that bad at all, we rarely get out-played or turned over anymore, he just doesn't have that extra quality (ruthless streak/luck?) that the truly successful managers have. We don't have close to the best or biggest squad in the league, but then nor do Brum, so we need a 'Rowett' basically!

There's no doubting we could get a better manager though

We do need a Rowett type and I refuse to believe there isn't one out there. Main difference between his type and a Bowyer type is the air of authority they have and the clear way they come across. The complete opposite to GB really as you just know someone like Rowett won't accept some of the stuff our guy does. He takes responsibility and makes his players do the same and he's had far less to work with than Bowyer.

[West Yorks Rover]

Bayes is as big a bottler as Bowyer mate. He commentates really well yet faced with the chief conductor he just blows smoke up his ass. He's either told to go down that route because Bowyer is so mard or he's trying to be a pal of his.

Back to the game and anyone watching that today who doesn't think it was a crock of sh@ite is deluded. Utter dross and a complete revert to type performance we've seen so many times before. As with the Derby and Brum games we are back to being content to let the opposition play. We've had bad luck in a couple of games performance wise but that today was worthy of defeat.

No missed chances, no clean sheet, no bad luck ( the opposite really). No chances drop to Rhodes and he has one of his bad days and yet again we don't look like scoring. Lawrence tried really hard but it wasn't coming off for him and Ben Marshall worked his nuts off. The rest apart from Steele were on a different planet, you never want long ball to be your first option but today was crying out for an outlet upfront and someone to rough the defence up and drag them about.

I'm convinced Bowyer has been told he won't be sacked as long as he keeps us in this division and sells the odd player for a profit.

Every month that goes by is probably another £10k at least, in his bank account, I'll bet he's bought a few properties for his retirement

by now, happy days for GB.

Who cares about the fans ?

Not him that's for sure.

[Speedie Dived]

We lack a manager. It is that simple.

It's really not. We are looking like we lack both.

[blueboy3333]

Bayes is as big a bottler as Bowyer mate. He commentates really well yet faced with the chief conductor he just blows smoke up his ass. He's either told to go down that route because Bowyer is so mard or he's trying to be a pal of his.

There isn't any unbiased local media reporting anymore. Radio Lancs and the LT rely on Rovers' co-operation to fill their papers/shows. The LT are an 'official partner' of the club these days, not sure about radio Lancs but they all p*ss in the same pot, so they aren't going to upset the people who provide their stories.

The days of the likes of Peter White are long gone unfortunately.

[arbitro]

Beige manager, beige tactics and a beige performance. Brentford were so much better than us and will be disappointed not to have taken all three points. Our tedious, sedate passing game is easy to play against. Why, when Steele was launching the ball did he not bring Koite on to add some presence. Laughably he brought Williamson on for a struggling Evans and kept his shape to hold on to the point. Really really poor from Bowyer.

He has to go. We are being held back by him now and watching him on the touchline is pitiful.

[blueboy3333]

Stopped posting after it started to become obvious Bowyer wasn't going to turn things around.

Or he just got bored of being slagged off and referenced in a snidey way, even though he went out of his way to provide some excellent match reports for those who couldn't make the games.

[Pedro]

It's really not. We are looking like we lack both.

I disagree. That game was screaming out for Koita to fire shots at a poor keeper, with butter fingers on a greasy pitch, even more glaringly obvious (since Henley getting dropped and our subsequent goal drought) for Marshall to be pushed further up the field. We have the league's best finisher - but again failed to even pass to the bloody lad! Earlier in the season, for Steele to be number one, Olsson at left back in place of Spurr. Setting up to win, instead of draw nil, nil in 90% of games we played in. Costly mistakes. His mistakes.

Generally speaking, nobody will convince me that that man is management material, is the best or only option for this club or that he can see the obvious and make common sense decisions. If that was Ince, Appleton, Kean, Kidd, Hodgson, Harford, McKay etc in that dugout, people would have been giving him it both barrels for months. He deserves it. He is failing.

[Mattyblue]

Or he just got bored of being slagged off and referenced in a snidey way, even though he went out of his way to provide some excellent match reports for those who couldn't make the games.

I'm in two minds about it, excellent match reports, certainly better than anything Wheelock puts together, however the constant referring to how fans should put up with any old tripe in 2015 because we had some poor sides in the 70s and 80s was bizarre.

[JHRover]

Absolutely dreadful performance today. The first 30 odd minutes were the worst we have had this season. The only bright spark during the first half was Lawrence's outstanding performance and his fluked goal which dug us out of a hole. After we had fluked our way back to 1-1 we actually started playing well for the remainder of the first half without creating much.

Second half was marginally better. Brentford were contained reasonably well by our defence apart from one chance where they should have scored.

Absolutely baffling substitutions once again. Marshall cannot be kept at right back for so long. He showed with his superb shot what he can do further up the pitch. The decision to bring Williamson on with 3 minutes of injury time to go I will never understand for as long as i live.

I feel sorry for Rhodes. The way the team is set up we might as well not have him or any striker on the pitch other than a 6'5 Gestede type who can get on the end of the keepers long punts up the field.

Where do we go from here?

Whatever your views on Bowyer, and whatever your views on the quality of the squad and our target for the season, 3 wins in 17 games is simply unacceptable, no matter who you are. Fulham and QPR are set to snaffle up the decent unemployed managers leaving us with no decent alternatives save for desperados and League Two managers.

We looked utterly bereft of ideas today. No plan B, no urgency, no risk, no pressure for a second goal. Awful.

Our track record with throw ins and corners is abysmal. There is no point in Hanley and Duffy committing themselves for set pieces. Both through their height get on the end of plenty of balls. Duffy time after time heads it high, Hanley usually puts it well wide.

[Jock]

You've 2 minutes of injury time left and the game is poised at 1-1 but you are marginally on top.

You have a "fit and raring to go" striker in Koita and an aging DM in Williamson on the bench.

What do you do, hotshot? What do you do?

Well, if you are Bowyer, you bottle it and decide that 1 point is better than 0. Every. Single. Time.

He gives a buddy some appearance money. The Club is rotten to the core.

[Ewooduknow]

I'm in two minds about it, excellent match reports, certainly better than anything Wheelock puts together, however the constant referring to how fans should put up with any old tripe in 2015 because we had some poor sides in the 70s and 80s was bizarre.

The club wasn't losing circa £30 million a season in the 70s/80s.

[tomphil]

It wasn't owned by billionaires either nor did it have the highest valued striker in the division. Completely different times, Rovers were where they were in the 70s & 80s because that was the natural standing order of the club in those periods. This time it's all been inflicted on it because of clueless owners and a complete lack of direction and ambition. Certainly not a lack of money or facilities, decent crowds or even some decent players.

No way should anyone be content with what we have now just so it can exist to employ and handsomely pay some 'nice' people.

[DE.]

I'm in two minds about it, excellent match reports, certainly better than anything Wheelock puts together, however the constant referring to how fans should put up with any old tripe in 2015 because we had some poor sides in the 70s and 80s was bizarre.

I stopped reading the match reports due to the pro-Bowyer bias, which is a shame because they were very well written otherwise.

I'm sure he'll be back eventually, anyway. Sometimes a break is good for perspective.

[tomphil]

He'll be back after a few wins as will roverzee and the usual crowd. Hope parson does come back but he did reverse himself into a corner a bit. No need for any witch hunt though, although maybe a bit of a break will give him time to see things a bit more clearly in regards to what's going on at Rovers.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

We have people running the club on ALL levels that are massively underperforming...they simply don't give a fook.

Until the fans,the ONLY people who do really give a fook,rise up and find their passion/anger once again the club is going nowhere.

[1864roverite]

In a few short words.

Woefully abject, listless, limp, gutless, shocking, scandalous and atrocious.

Wrong for the very off with the wrong team and wrong formation.

What the hell was Taylor doing on that pitch? (apart from causing mayhem in our own ranks).

Why did we see our best player not moved forward until it was too late?

Where was the freshening up when it was so desperately required after 15 turgid minutes?

What the hell has the oaf who has been watching Brentfords recent performances reported back to Ewood?

We had no answer to their simple and effective pass and move. We had no answer to the commanding performances of their midfield and defence who ran like it mattered.

Bowyer was out thought (not hard), the team were as aimless as himself walking round his managerial area looking down and out (I hope he is).

It cannot go on he has to be removed and now whilst we have a break.

Possession football is ok if you keep the ball.

Sideways football is NOT the way to the opposition penalty area.

Hanley and Duffy needs their foreheads shaving because both failed miserably in the heading department today.

#BOWYER OUT

[the original david brent]

That was completely abysmal. One of the worst games of football I have seen. We were dominated by an average championship side.