jim mk2 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Just now, JacknOry said: Was hoping it would be done quickly today as said on the other thread. Good signing this, young, hungry, has pace and is a great finisher. A good season int he Championship and he will double/triple his value. He needs to play in his best position to be effective. Hopefully Mowbray him in a front 2 because I don't think he'll get much change out of Championship defenders playing out wide - he just isn't good enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tyrone Shoelaces Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, jim mk2 said: He needs to play in his best position to be effective. Hopefully Mowbray him in a front 2 because I don't think he'll get much change out of Championship defenders playing out wide - he just isn't good enough. He's not a winger Jim, right or left. He's better running after the ball than with it. Normally his first natural movement is away from the ball not towards it. He's a striker pure and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacknOry Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Just now, jim mk2 said: He needs to play in his best position to be effective. Hopefully Mowbray him in a front 2 because I don't think he'll get much change out of Championship defenders playing out wide - he just isn't good enough. Did pretty well last season with his goal return - sure it was a league lower but I am confident TM can get the best out of him. Has always done well for TM and just having his pace is a big plus for us as we were lacking this massively. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islander200 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, jim mk2 said: He needs to play in his best position to be effective. Hopefully Mowbray him in a front 2 because I don't think he'll get much change out of Championship defenders playing out wide - he just isn't good enough. We ain't going to be playing with 2 up top though?Where are you playing Dack if Armstrong plays up front? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47er Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, islander200 said: We ain't going to be playing with 2 up top though?Where are you playing Dack if Armstrong plays up front? I suppose we could play 3-5-2! Not exactly short of mid-fielders are we?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Very pleased with this one. Adds a different dimension. Will be interesting to see how Armstrong and Palmer fit into a side that also features Dack. Once they are both match fit they could be devastating. Especially with Graham holding the ball up and being that clinical finisher. How do you get all four of those into the side? Palmer may be limited to impact sub status. CB cover and a deep lying play maker now. Being very greedy an understudy for Graham too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RovingRover Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Cracking signing! Over the moon with this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruaney Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Delighted with this. Much needed pace added, cash buy, knows the team and the club, young and hungry! Great stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islander200 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 18 minutes ago, 47er said: I suppose we could play 3-5-2! Not exactly short of mid-fielders are we?!! Yeah but we haven't looked good when playing 3 at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
had.e.nuff Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Good signing lets hope he is as good as the last £3 million pound geordie we signed 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihtd Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Delighted with this signing. More happy that Venkys have given Tony some cash to spend on an actual transfer fee. It must be a while since the club spent on a real fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 38 minutes ago, islander200 said: We ain't going to be playing with 2 up top though?Where are you playing Dack if Armstrong plays up front? There in lies the problem. The dreaded 3-5-2 looms again. If that's not the case I don't see how we're going to get the best out of Armstrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, Stuart said: Very pleased with this one. Adds a different dimension. Will be interesting to see how Armstrong and Palmer fit into a side that also features Dack. Once they are both match fit they could be devastating. Especially with Graham holding the ball up and being that clinical finisher. How do you get all four of those into the side? Palmer may be limited to impact sub status. CB cover and a deep lying play maker now. Being very greedy an understudy for Graham too. Last time we played 4-2-4 was in the mid 1960's , we were awesome, a team chock full of goals. Ask anybody who saw that team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_big_nose Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said: Great signing. Welcome back And how do we fit Dack and Palmer into 4-4-2? Armstronng mostly will play as a wide forward We could take a leaf out of England's tactic book? --------------------------------Raya ------------Lenihan----Mulgrew----Williams Bennett-----Dack-----Smallwood---Palmer----Bell ----------------------Graham------Armstong Edited August 6, 2018 by joey_big_nose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islander200 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said: There in lies the problem. The dreaded 3-5-2 looms again. If that's not the case I don't see how we're going to get the best out of Armstrong. I think he played well from as part of the 3 behind Graham last season.9 goals in 21 matches was a good return too. We all know he isn't a winger and we won't see him hugging the touchline and whipping crosses in but from the position he played last season you don't need to be an out and out winger.Good signing and I would be playing him in the position he played for us last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozz Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 59 minutes ago, den said: Well you guys on here have seen far more of Armstrong than me, but from what I have seen I wasn’t impressed at all really. Not sure what function he serves in the team and seemed to disappear for long periods. Hopefully you’ll tell me that I’ve got that wrong. I saw a lot Den...he has bags of pace and a good finisher. Down to Mowbray to get the most from those attributes. I like him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, joey_big_nose said: We could take a leaf out of England's tactic book? --------------------------Raya --------Lenihan----Mulgrew----Williams Bennett-----Dack-----Smallwood---Palmer----------Bell ----------------Graham------Armstong That's what I suspect is behind this signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_big_nose Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said: There in lies the problem. The dreaded 3-5-2 looms again. If that's not the case I don't see how we're going to get the best out of Armstrong. I don't know. Probably suits us with the players we have. I can't see how we play Williams, Dack, Palmer, Armstrong and Bell unless we go 352/532. To be honest leaving out the likes of Evans and Samuel can only help us. And I think Dack and Palmer both have the physicality to be effective from deeper positions. Edited August 6, 2018 by joey_big_nose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdoggsteel Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 How many times did we play 3 at the back last season? From my recollection we started 2 games with that formation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruRover Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Whatever formation we play Dack simply must have that free role behind the striker. He is our key man and can make somthing happen on a consistent basis. He presses aswell and works really hard off the ball. He offers too much in that role to be dropped deeper or less centrally. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkBRFC Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Started the first two with 3 at the back and it was a complete disaster, think we started with it at Charlton too at the end of the season. Then in a couple of games, Portsmouth away and Oldham at home we changed to it mid match when we were pushing for equalisers/winners and it worked quite well. I'd personally be horrified if we went back to starting with it though, although I do still think that formation is in Mowbrays long term thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_big_nose Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said: How many times did we play 3 at the back last season? From my recollection we started 2 games with that formation Agreed, but think with the lack of signing proper wingers, and the need to utilise Bell we are heading in that direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacknOry Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 On paper we do arguably have the players to use this system more so than our current formation. He has never seemingly liked out and out wingers and the Bell signing last season seems to be a bit odd unless it was for use in a system like 3 at the back. Not saying he will use it as our starting formation but he does like to have it as an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkBRFC Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said: We could take a leaf out of England's tactic book? --------------------------------Raya ------------Lenihan----Mulgrew----Williams Bennett-----Dack-----Smallwood---Palmer----Bell ----------------------Graham------Armstong Looks good on paper, you can bet it would be a complete disaster if it was put on the pitch though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_big_nose Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, TruRover said: Whatever formation we play Dack simply must have that free role behind the striker. He is our key man and can make somthing happen on a consistent basis. He presses aswell and works really hard off the ball. He offers too much in that role to be dropped deeper or less centrally. I don't know, he's a superb allround player, and I think he could offer more if played deeper with the licence to get forward. He can drive the whole team. Only way to accommodate a true free role for him is to play Armstrong and Palmer wide which I think really under uses their strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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