Jon Dahl Tomasson - Officially No Longer Our Head Coach

[Ewood Ace]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

I mean what he inherited, ie last summer. Although the squad now is still definitely better than what Coyle left.

That squad was shocking. Lowe, Guthrie and Akpan in midfield. Greer, Brown, Hendrie, Emnes, Stokes etc.

Look at the current midfield. Greer was in his mid thirties and signed on a free from a fellow Championship club where he was captain, sound familiar? Stokes was no worse than Ennis. I'd take Emnes over Telaovic everyday of the week. 

I don't think there is much between our current squad and the squad that went down I'd say the one that went down was slightly stronger as it had some good experienced pro's life Mulgrew, Graham and Conway.

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Look at the money Mowbray spent £12 Million on two players alone. JDT has had players bought for him by that clown Broughton with the biggest fee being a couple million. Mowbray also until his final season when Armstrong went never lost anyone of his key players. No sooner had JDT taken over and the club captain had gone along with our best midfielder. Then in this summer he lost his goalkeeper, his top scorer and now in the winter has lost his best midfielder. 

They are totally different situations to compare. Mowbray inherited a much worse squad and situation. We then had a season in League 1 limiting who we could bring in. Then he had money to spend on 3 players before a couple of summers where the purse strings were tightened and then his main players were sold/suffered career ruining injuries. Tomasson inherited a much better situation and had a bit of money to replace those out of contract. Not as much as Mowbray had but equally the squad at that side wasnt nearly as bad so it levels out. He this season has had it as rough as weve seen in years and we have gone as low as weve been in years as youd expect.

Both were decent managers for us and most likely the next man will be a downgrade on both.

[roversfan99]

Just now, Ewood Ace said:

Look at the current midfield. Greer was in his mid thirties and signed on a free from a fellow Championship club where he was captain, sound familiar? Stokes was no worse than Ennis. I'd take Emnes over Telaovic everyday of the week. 

I don't think there is much between our current squad and the squad that went down I'd say the one that went down was slightly stronger as it had some good experienced pro's life Mulgrew, Graham and Conway.

It had those 3 but it had a lot more crap and it didnt have players like Szmodics, JRC, Hyam, Wharton, (who we had for all but 1 game so far) Tronstad, Carter, Pickering, Dolan etc. Im basing on the half season prior to the Wharton sale.

[glen9mullan]

Sorry all, I've not posted and I feel all the frustration, breathe it with you and I'm sorry.

The last 72 hours have been crazy,

From being added to protests groups on whatsapp/Facebook and request via PM to get involved (My phone number everywhere and getting crack pot texts)

I engaged with Steve Waggott, and India the day after the transfer window, It did not smell too nice, and I wanted answers, just like you want answers, just like everyone wants answers. 

India ignored me, and Waggott came back to me and agreed to have a meeting.

In the meantime protests threads popping up all over the internet, and I'm still somewhat unsure who is leading the protest, because unless its organic someone needs to take responsibility and the legal implications that come with it. Seen lots of idea's and awaiting the systematic plan of attack. (Given my experience in this field, and knowing what it could cost you, be that your job or indeed your freedom, then I have to take a holistic view of all options which in fairness are either in their infancy, or there is 10 groups doing different things.)

Monday I attended a family funeral , but was willing to meet Waggott after the funeral as this was important, I wanted to get my points across swiftly and in no certain terms.

Eventually we agreed on Tuesday as a "Safe space" conversation. WHY You all ask? Well to draw the lines in the sand for rules of engagement.

Prior to this meeting i had a message from Josh asking if I'd been invited to meeting a Brockhall by Duncan, I said no, and was informed he be in touch.

I then had a discussion with Waggott, and made it perfectly clear the balloon has popped. I told him he had heard the crowd at the weekend and that was not even 5% at how far supporters can take it.  I explained the PR Was shocking , every day its another balls up, and each day the club remains silent, that a snow ball becomes a snowman. He was told Suhail hiding in the shadows is no longer acceptable and unless he comes out, then he will be hounded out, like the many the supporters have successfully sent on their merry way.  We discussed the Maguire Fiasco, and there is some legal implications here, which include employment law, and contract law. You need to appreciate that due to this, I have to park this. What I can say, its been reported in the press we did not press the send. This is 100% factual, and there is a number of broken people. Please understand, I just don't have unlimited funds for a personal lawsuit!!!!

1 Win in 11 was discussed, and regardless of likeability, a team is judged on results, and we aint getting them. If there was not background noise regarding funds and messed up transfers, the fans would be looking at results as the immediate threat to this club. I stated we have division of where the fault lies in the supporter base, which includes Him, Venkys, Broughton and the Manager. However the anger right now is heading up his garden path, and again the Raos.

I stated Protest are coming, these can't be stopped, be that organic, or organised, the balance has tipped. I stated the clubs actions in the coming days will very much set the mood for the foreseeable.  I said a divided club internally wont last two minutes once the fans dig their teeth in.

I was later asked if I would attend a meeting with the senior players council today. I asked what the purpose was? what's the agenda? what's the end game? I will be honest, i never really got answers and thought this is short notice. I weighed up the pro's and cons. If we don't attend, will this be used as an opportunity to state we offered an olive branch to have open dialogue and the fans dismissed it? I know how the media works, how things can be twisted, and how they can become your enemy if your not seen to be playing the right way. We saw during the Kean era, it was massively portrayed it was the supporters fault. Even our own supporters turned on the protest and it was a toxic environment for everyone, and certainly an environment which at times were scary. Typical examples:

1. My wife Laura was holding my daughter at Ipswich away whilst also 4 months pregnant. Our own supporters, came across knocked the my daughter out her arms and punched my wife to the ground.

2. I was woke up by a phone call, and told to look out the window, i had 2 guys outside with Petrol cans, 48 hours earlier I'd received threats that my house would be burnt down with my children in it.

3. I was assaulted at Wigan away.

4. I was informed by the club they had found payments to hoodlums who were known to me as people who had issued threats.

5. I received phone calls, telling me to walk away or I would disappear.

I never wavered, I piled all my money into finding the truth, come rain or shine despite some awful things being said about me, I stood by those I promised to represent with everything I had to give.

 

Anyway moving on - Josh and I had a chat regarding the meeting and neither of us were keen, especially with no agenda, but we knew, we'd not sit in silence and would give it a whirl. Some supporter groups, supporters declined to attend.

This morning I was awaken by my wife in the early hours, I was having an awful attack, and knowing I was in hospital this morning, we knew taking my medication would mean they could not do the test, which I've been waiting for. She tried all sorts as my Oxegen levels dropped to 83 and rather than speed up, my heart rate went to 27. I dunno how she managed it, but I'm here typing., 

I got off for my appointment this morning, did my two hour test, and was informed the meeting time had changed, it had been brought forwards. At this point I knew just Josh , Duncan and I were going and not a lot more to be honest.

We arrived, went to the back room, Mike G Was there , and then more filtered in. Sorry I can't remember everyone's name.

The players came in, and I did state that i'm surprised they got 5 players who we actually own, as an ice breaker which the players took in good humour

The meeting started, and around 60 seconds in (Quite good for me, they usually only get 30 seconds) I interrupted the meeting and stated categorically, and said we ain't here on some PR Exercise, don't want a balloon and picture and its a safe space as a group for everyone to talk openly. 

They went around the room and each player and supporters had questions and answers. Everyone from the supporters section, stated that anger was at the owners and the shit show in the background. The players all said they results were not good enough, they understood the frustrations when they lose, and they feel it like we feel it. However it was then reiterated about 13 years of crap from india, Maguire fiasco, Financial fiasco. Josh was fantastic, he made it clear that a coffee with the players is not going to have a jot of difference or solve the wider issues which are once again bringing the clubs competence into question (Appreciate he did not use these exact words, it was much stronger).

Waggott is certainly feeling the pressure from all angles, be that internal, external or India. He is not blind to what may occur but continues to engage.

In terms of Suhail, Josh made it clear, without him in the room, its pointless, he cant hide away and as the owners mouthpiece he needs to engage.

I can assure everyone that anything else discussed is out there in the public domain, and for legal reasons I personally cannot deny or confirm certain things, My wife needs every penny we have right now, and I cannot leave her destitute by being caught up in a legal battle for something I cannot substantiate. My health is well documented, and even tonight the grief on twitter for reporting the news, which is not an endorsement of the news is just shocking really. At times I don't know who the enemy is.

The meeting ended, and the supporters stopped behind for a debrief really amongst themselves. A little shell shocked, perhaps confused and if anything its fair to say we was unprepared. We had not met up previously, each group there bar the independents which I consider myself, have a mandate or a function to provide free speech. For example, I could see first hand how the trust are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't position. 

The positive around the meeting is that different groups with somewhat differing views could work as a team to get the points across and everyone did this well to a person. No-one had birds spinning around their heads,. and to be honest I'm proud of them all and they are credit to the supporter base for having a go, and saying exactly as it is.

I know to some the above is excuses and we are all on the naughty step, however you won't conquer the mountain if you fail to engage and put the graft in to build the blocks. Some of us are tired, we've been at this years, at times the grief becomes more than the cause and whatever happens it does affect us all. 

Some tweets I was receiving tonight of 17/18 yr old lads, were 4 or 5 years old when we was in the trenches last time, or marching to the FA and Parliament. There 100% needs to be a know your history piece, because right now, Venkys out, Waggott our JDT Out, whoever out, won't work without clear facts. The media need the story they need the reasoning, as do a big % of match going supporters.

 

Thank you for reading, I know BRFCS Will do an article and Rovers Chat a podcast, Id rather them do that now, and any question be posed after that, as I'm just exhausted 

Edited February 8 by glen9mullan

[Ewood Ace]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

They are totally different situations to compare. Mowbray inherited a much worse squad and situation. We then had a season in League 1 limiting who we could bring in. Then he had money to spend on 3 players before a couple of summers where the purse strings were tightened and then his main players were sold/suffered career ruining injuries. Tomasson inherited a much better situation and had a bit of money to replace those out of contract. Not as much as Mowbray had but equally the squad at that side wasnt nearly as bad so it levels out. He this season has had it as rough as weve seen in years and we have gone as low as weve been in years as youd expect.

The only main player Mowbray lost during his tenure at the club was Adam Armstrong. His final season was the only season where the club received more in transfer fees than it spent.

[Mike E]

1 hour ago, Pedro said:

Seriously, has this site got a direct link to Calderstones these days or something?? 

 

Owen Coyle, Brockhall Ping Pong Champion, was the catalyst and reason for relegation. Mowbray turned up well into February and a few games too late.  Anyone who thinks other than that isn't worth the conversation. 

Mowbray took us from a relegation place, up to 17th and 5pts clear by April. Then relegated us.

[Ewood Ace]

38 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It had those 3 but it had a lot more crap and it didnt have players like Szmodics, JRC, Hyam, Wharton, (who we had for all but 1 game so far) Tronstad, Carter, Pickering, Dolan etc. Im basing on the half season prior to the Wharton sale.

Williams (player of the season that year if I remember correctly) was as good a full back as Pickering. Mulgrew was a better centre half than Hyam. Lenihan was a better centre half than Carter. I'd take Craig Conway on the wing over Dolan, much more end product.

It didn't have a player like Szmodics but it did have more goal scorers in it with Graham, a better version of Gallagher, Emnes and Joao. 

The midfield if you include Wharton (but we don't have him anymore) was stronger.

Edited February 8 by Ewood Ace

[Pedro]

2 minutes ago, booth said:

The project changing can't have helped can it? Or are you saying that wouldn't affect on-field matters, morale, generally pissing off some players who were settled and thought we were building a promotion chasing squad? Luton didn't have that, nor Sunderland, nor any of the teams in the play offs or promoted.

We finished 7th under one bloke but didn't under his predecessor who had much more time and money. I don't know how that is undermining Mowbray's appointment at the time. It's just what happened.

Good for them.

No one is making it out to be a high achievement, but it's the highest we've had so far in this league. You'd hope that with the same backing that other manager's under the V's have had, it could have turned out better.

Luton had been building for a long time and had two good strikers to get them promoted. They could have sold Adebayo but kept hold of him. Waggott wouldn't have done that.

You like to exaggerate don't you.

God/martyr.
7th is an achievement.
Acceptance and celebration of absolute mediocrity.

Looking forward to the next one, if your mind hasn't blown again.

Booth, genuinely, you don't half talk absolute bollocks and like a few others tonight, 3/4 of your argument is in your head. You've really got carried away with yourself and I don't like the tactic of trying to construct an opinion on my behalf.  My opinion has been clear.  It's gone from me saying Mowbray was a decent appointment for us...to people going full on Top Trumps, playing only with two shit cards.

RE JDT, there is post after post on here of posters saying 7th is a massive achievement.  Loads of them.  These folk completely undervalue us and see past the shite that has been in the play-offs when we have missed out.  It wasn't a strong league from Burnley down. Genuinely, only WE could've messed it up last season.

Other parts of your argument/reply is SO full of nonsense - so I have to reply. I am not defending David Gest's ill-fitting and bog-eyed corpse by any means, but seeing as you brought him up...did he sell OUR valuable striker Brereton at the very same time? No he didn't.  Other parts (re uncertainty). Not my argument but countless teams get promoted with players under clouds of uncertainty. Sheffield Utd had financial difficulties. Watford in the past had about 4 managers and loads of loanees. Even the Dingles have had a team half-full of short-term players.

The rest of what you say is the usual mis-guided smarm mixed with luke-warm wit - which is a shame. There is literally no point batting it back and forth with you when I wanted a grown up debate/chat. Unfortunately, it hasn't happened and now I'm reduced to discussing a limp failure finishing in 7th, over a boring failure finishing in 8th or 9th.  Ultimately, I am happy both moved on and I live in hope of an improvement.

My opinion is failure is failure.  None of it has been good enough and we are on the edge of disaster. We aren't going to agree and that's perfectly fine by me. If you fancy a civilized chat in the future, all good. If not, no problem either.  It's obvious though, I don't fit in with the hive mind on here.

 

All the best 👍 

 

 

[Penwortham Blue]

24 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

Sorry all, I've not posted and I feel all the frustration, breathe it with you and I'm sorry.

The last 72 hours have been crazy,

From being added to protests groups on whatsapp/Facebook and request via PM to get involved (My phone number everywhere and getting crack pot texts)

I engaged with Steve Waggott, and India the day after the transfer window, It did not smell too nice, and I wanted answers, just like you want answers, just like everyone wants answers. 

India ignored me, and Waggott came back to me and agreed to have a meeting.

In the meantime protests threads popping up all over the internet, and I'm still somewhat unsure who is leading the protest, because unless its organic someone needs to take responsibility and the legal implications that come with it. Seen lots of idea's and awaiting the systematic plan of attack. (Given my experience in this field, and knowing what it could cost you, be that your job or indeed your freedom, then I have to take a holistic view of all options which in fairness of either in their infancy, or there is 10 groups doing different things.)

Monday I attended a family funeral , but was willing to meet Waggott after the funeral as this was important, I wanted to get my points across swiftly and in no certain terms.

Eventually we agreed on Tuesday as a "Safe space" conversation. WHY You all ask? Well to draw the lines in the sand for rules of engagement.

Prior to this meeting i had a message from Josh asking if I'd been invited to meeting a Brockhall by Duncan, I said no, and was informed he be in touch.

I then had a discussion with Waggott, and made it perfectly clear the balloon has popped. I told him he had heard the crowd at the weekend and that was not even 5% at how far supporters can take it.  I explained the PR Was shocking , every day its another balls up, and each day the club remains silent, that a snow ball becomes a snowman. He was told Suhail hiding in the shadows is no longer acceptable and unless he comes out, then he will be hounded out, like the many the supporters have successfully sent on their merry way.  We discussed the Maguire Fiasco, and there is some legal implications here, which include employment law, and contract law. You need to appreciate that due to this, I have to park this. What I can say, its been reported in the press we did not press the send. This is 100% factual, and there is a number of broken people. Please understand, I just don't have unlimited funds for a personal lawsuit!!!!

1 Win in 11 was discussed, and regardless of likeability, a team is judged on results, and we aint getting them. If there was not background noise regarding funds and messed up transfers, the fans would be looking at results as the immediate threat to this club. I stated we have division of where the fault lies in the supporter base, which includes Him, Venkys, Broughton and the Manager. However the anger right now is heading up his garden path, and again the Raos.

I stated Protest are coming, these can't be stopped, be that organic, or organised, the balance has tipped. I stated the clubs actions in the coming days will very much set the mood for the foreseeable.  I said a divided club internally wont last two minutes once the fans dig their teeth in.

I was later asked if I would attend a meeting with the senior players council today. I asked what the purpose was? what's the agenda? what's the end game? I will be honest, i never really got answers and thought this is short notice. I weighed up the pro's and cons. If we don't attend, will this be used as an opportunity to state we offered an olive branch to have open dialogue and the fans dismissed it? I know how the media works, how things can be twisted, and how they can become your enemy if your not seen to be playing the right way. We saw during the Kean era, it was massively portrayed it was the supporters fault. Even our own supporters turned on the protest and it was a toxic environment for everyone, and certainly an environment which at times were scary. Typical examples:

1. My wife Laura was holding my daughter at Ipswich away whilst also 4 months pregnant. Our own supporters, came across knocked the my daughter out her arms and punched my wife to the ground.

2. I was woke up by a phone call, and told to look out the window, i had 2 guys outside with Petrol cans, 48 hours earlier I'd received threats that my house would be burnt down with my children in it.

3. I was assaulted at Wigan away.

4. I was informed by the club they had found payments to hoodlums who were known to me as people who had issued threats.

5. I received phone calls, telling me to walk away or I would disappear.

I never wavered, I piled all my money into finding the truth, come rain or shine despite some awful things being said about me, I stood by those I promised to represent with everything I had to give.

 

Anyway moving on - Josh and I had a chat regarding the meeting and neither of us were keen, especially with no agenda, but we knew, we'd not sit in silence and would give it a whirl.

This morning I was awaken by my wife in the early hours, I was having an awful attack, and knowing I was in hospital this morning, we knew taking my medication would mean they could not do the test, which I've been waiting for. She tried all sorts as my Oxegen levels dropped to 83 and rather than speed up, my heart rate went to 27. I dunno how she managed it, but I'm here typing., 

I got off for my appointment this morning, did my two hour test, and was informed the meeting time had changed, it had been brought forwards. At this point I knew just Josh , Duncan and I were going and not a lot more to be honest.

We arrived, went to the back room, Mike G Was there , and then more filtered in. Sorry I can't remember everyone's name.

The players came in, and I did state that i'm surprised they got 5 players who we actually own, as an ice breaker which the players took in good humour

The meeting started, and around 60 seconds in (Quite good for me, they usually only get 30 seconds) I interrupted the meeting and stated categorically, and said we ain't here on some PR Exercise, don't want a balloon and picture and its a safe space as a group for everyone to talk openly. 

They went around the room and each player and supporters had questions and answers. Everyone from the supporters section, stated that anger was at the owners and the shit show in the background. The players all said they results were not good enough, they understood the frustrations when they lose, and they feel it like we feel it. However it was then reiterated about 13 years of crap from india, Maguire fiasco, Financial fiasco. Josh was fantastic, he made it clear that a coffee with the players is not going to have a jot of difference or solve the wider issues which are once again bringing the clubs competence into question (Appreciate he did not use these exact words, it was much stronger).

Waggott is certainly feeling the pressure from all angles, be that internal, external or India. He is not blind to what may occur but continues to engage.

In terms of Suhail, Josh made it clear, without him in the room, its pointless, he cant hide away and as the owners mouthpiece he needs to engage.

I can assure everyone that anything else discussed is out there in the public domain, and for legal reasons I personally cannot deny or confirm certain things, My wife needs every penny we have right now, and I cannot leave her destitute by being caught up in a legal battle for something I cannot substantiate. My health is well documented, and even tonight the grief on twitter for reporting the news, which is not an endorsement of the news is just shocking really. At times I don't know who the enemy is.

The meeting ended, and the supporters stopped behind for a debrief really amongst themselves. A little shell shocked, perhaps confused and if anything its fair to say we was unprepared. We had not met up previously, each group there bar the independents which I consider myself, have a mandate or a function to provide free speech. For example, I could see first hand how the trust are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't position. 

The positive around the meeting is that different groups with somewhat differing views could work as a team to get the points across and everyone did this well to a person. No-one had birds spinning around their heads,. and to be honest I'm proud of them all and they are credit to the supporter base for having a go, and saying exactly as it is.

I know to some the above is excuses and we are all on the naughty step, however you won't conquer the mountain if you fail to engage and put the graft in to build the blocks. Some of us are tired, we've been at this years, at times the grief becomes more than the cause and whatever happens it does affect us all. 

Some tweets I was receiving tonight of 17/18 yr old lads, were 4 or 5 years old when we was in the trenches last time, or marching to the FA and Parliament. There 100% needs to be a know your history piece, because right now, Venkys out, Waggott our JDT Out, whoever out, won't work without clear facts. The media need the story they need the reasoning, as do a big % of match going supporters.

 

Thank you for reading, I know BRFCS Will do an article and Rovers Chat a podcast, Id rather them do that now, and any question be posed after that, as I'm just exhausted 

Thanks for all your efforts and sacrifice over the years, Glen. If only our supporter base had your DNA and tenacity, we would surely find a way regain our once proud club.

Edited February 8 by Penwortham Blue

[glen9mullan]

3 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

Thanks for all your efforts and sacrifice over the years, Glen. If only our supporter base had your DNA and tenacity, we would surely find a way regain our one proud club.

Thanks mate, I wont always get it right, but I have always tried to stand up for those supporters who share common views.  I have many faults, being outspoken is one of them. As an independent supporter, rather than a group representative I have found far more freedom to push the barriers further. 

[Penwortham Blue]

11 minutes ago, Pedro said:

Booth, genuinely, you don't half talk absolute bollocks and like a few others tonight, 3/4 of your argument is in your head. You've really got carried away with yourself and I don't like the tactic of trying to construct an opinion on my behalf.  My opinion has been clear.  It's gone from me saying Mowbray was a decent appointment for us...to people going full on Top Trumps, playing only with two shit cards.

RE JDT, there is post after post on here of posters saying 7th is a massive achievement.  Loads of them.  These folk completely undervalue us and see past the shite that has been in the play-offs when we have missed out.  It wasn't a strong league from Burnley down. Genuinely, only WE could've messed it up last season.

Other parts of your argument/reply is SO full of nonsense - so I have to reply. I am not defending David Gest's ill-fitting and bog-eyed corpse by any means, but seeing as you brought him up...did he sell OUR valuable striker Brereton at the very same time? No he didn't.  Other parts (re uncertainty). Not my argument but countless teams get promoted with players under clouds of uncertainty. Sheffield Utd had financial difficulties. Watford in the past had about 4 managers and loads of loanees. Even the Dingles have had a team half-full of short-term players.

The rest of what you say is the usual mis-guided smarm mixed with luke-warm wit - which is a shame. There is literally no point batting it back and forth with you when I wanted a grown up debate/chat. Unfortunately, it hasn't happened and now I'm reduced to discussing a limp failure finishing in 7th, over a boring failure finishing in 8th or 9th.  Ultimately, I am happy both moved on and I live in hope of an improvement.

My opinion is failure is failure.  None of it has been good enough and we are on the edge of disaster. We aren't going to agree and that's perfectly fine by me. If you fancy a civilized chat in the future, all good. If not, no problem either.  It's obvious though, I don't fit in with the hive mind on here.

 

All the best 👍 

 

 

It might have been typical Rovers to cock it up at the business end but no one can ignore the absolutely wretched luck we had in the run in: Consecutive games as below

90+4 Coventry keeper hand ball goal

90+4 Hyam OG at Dumpdale

90+3 Barnes handball penalty against Dingles

90+4 Szmodics shot bouncing off bar on to line against Luton.

Truly unbelievable that all above happened to conspire against JDT’s team.

[booth]

27 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I mean what he inherited, ie last summer. Although the squad now is still definitely better than what Coyle left.

That squad was shocking. Lowe, Guthrie and Akpan in midfield. Greer, Brown, Hendrie, Emnes, Stokes etc.

I think we're splitting hairs as the current squad is shocking.  We'll look back on it and cringe. Wahlstedt, Pears, Markanday, Telelovic. Then you've got our so-called better players... Dolan, Hedges, Brittain, Gallagher, Pickering, Sigurdsson - the mediocre and the inconsistent. Then the kids, and other people's kids like Moran who just aren't ready yet. And two old lads, the crocked one and the ancient one.

[M_B]

2 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

He was brought in first of all to keep us up and he failed. So he certainly wasn't a good appointment in that respect. 

Have you noticed the massive cut in budget? Would you care to compare what Mowbray spent on players he wanted to what JDT has had spent for him by that clown Broughton?

JDT finished higher in 1 season here than Mowbray did in 6 despite having an inferior budget and not being able to bring in his own players. JDT also inherited a squad that had just lost it's player of the season and captain from the previous season.

But that's the whole point, only Hyam made an impact last season, to a much lesser degree Szmodics. Other than that, he inherited a squad which he took to 7th,some say he overachieved with that position, others say the opposite. 

I'm not so much comparing how they both did, but the situation they've left the club in. We'd all now take 7th bottom. 

You're making it a Mowbray v Tomasson thing, but Mowbray's situation was largely of his own making, Tomasson has been reliant on The Goonies. He's been badly let down, which is a shame because there's a good bloke there. 

It's just a good job that the club was as stable as it was, because Broughton and Co look to have taken us back 3 or 4 years. They've actually employed about 10 more people and made it worse. 

[Ewood Ace]

19 minutes ago, M_B said:

It's just a good job that the club was as stable as it was, because Broughton and Co look to have taken us back 3 or 4 years. They've actually employed about 10 more people and made it worse. 

The club has never been stable since the takeover, Broughton is merely a symptom of owners who in the last 13 years have taken the club back decades.

19 minutes ago, M_B said:

I'm not so much comparing how they both did, but the situation they've left the club in. We'd all now take 7th bottom. 

Mowbray's situation was largely of his own making, Tomasson has been reliant on The Goonies. 

In which case the two situations cannot be compared. Because as you acknowledge Mowbray had a lot of control of his situation whereas JDT has had little.

Edited February 8 by Ewood Ace

[booth]

1 hour ago, Pedro said:

Booth, genuinely, you don't half talk absolute bollocks and like a few others tonight, 3/4 of your argument is in your head. You've really got carried away with yourself and I don't like the tactic of trying to construct an opinion on my behalf.

Well I didn't do that, and I'm not sure which part was "absolute bollocks" so I'll keep it simple.

1 hour ago, Pedro said:

My opinion has been clear.  It's gone from me saying Mowbray was a decent appointment for us...to people going full on Top Trumps, playing only with two shit cards.

RE JDT, there is post after post on here of posters saying 7th is a massive achievement.  Loads of them.  These folk completely undervalue us and see past the shite that has been in the play-offs when we have missed out.  It wasn't a strong league from Burnley down. Genuinely, only WE could've messed it up last season.

It actually went from you saying Mowbray was a decent appointment for us, then slating Tomasson (who objectively, did one better in far less time with far less money). That's how I read it.

You will mess up with that lot at the top throwing down banana skins.

1 hour ago, Pedro said:

 There is literally no point batting it back and forth with you when I wanted a grown up debate/chat.

Some of your responses didn't reflect that, and in my earlier response I was succinct but instead of addressing that you chose to say I was undermining Mowbray's appointment, which I didn't and was besides the point. You also said that I was making 7th out as an achievement, when I was stating it as a fact. I ask a question and you say I'm constructing an argument for you. I get associated with posters saying JDT is a god/martyr, and all sorts of filibustering shite I didn't say.

Anyway, night shift over.

Edited February 8 by booth

[lraC]

The JDT V Mowbray argument is all well and good, but Mowbray and Waggott are mates. To a degree he got his own way, because of it. JDT has called Waggott out and got nothing this year, other than a huge funding cut and failure yet again in 2 transfer windows.

He won’t be here for us to see if the press the button gate costs us relegation, but O’Brien gate almost certainly did cost us a play off place and who knows beyond that. 

I don’t remember Mowbray being let down anywhere near as much.

He has his faults, but I truly believe we have let a gem slip though our fingers with JDT and will live to regret it. 

Edited February 8 by lraC

[windymiller7]

5 hours ago, philipl said:

No way do you have a meeting with CEO and senior players without the Manager and the Manager not be leaving.

Absolutely no way to run a football club.

In that CCTV footage, the players looked like they were hostages.

My opinion of Steve Waggott is unprintable.

Finally, sombody saw it! Just catching up & trawling through trying to make sure I don't say something which has been said before.

A lot calling out the players, no! They are employees saying what they've been told to say. I've had to do it myself on occasion, but have always said I will not leave myself open to anything liable. That kind of question will always be skirted around, with "I'm not sure / I'll have to check" etc

Sammie looks positively embarrassed,  the rest are going through the motions.

Waggot & Venkys are the enemy, never ever forget that!

[DeeCee]

Swag's deflection tactics are working, we've got a Mowbray discussion going 😁

You get invited to a "Secret" meeting with Swag, no agenda, with what's going on at the club right now? You'd be there at the drop of a hat surely?

Whatever the secret is, it won't be good news if Swag is involved.

Slimy cross eyed twat.

 

[philipl]

Thanks Glen.

Yes I wasn't targeted but sadly you weren't the only one to be subject to really nasty stuff back then.

Thank God your health is holding up.

The Mowbray compared with JDT posts are just willy waving in the big picture of things.

On the other threads, I have posted why my reading is this is a palace coup by Waggott against JDT forcing him out against Venkys wishes.

[Upside Down]

48 minutes ago, DeeCee said:

Swag's deflection tactics are working, we've got a Mowbray discussion going 😁

You get invited to a "Secret" meeting with Swag, no agenda, with what's going on at the club right now? You'd be there at the drop of a hat surely?

Whatever the secret is, it won't be good news if Swag is involved.

Slimy cross eyed twat.

 

From what Glen has said it sounds like they confirmed a lot of rumours but can neither confirm nor deny.

There wasn't anything that we didn't already know come to light.

He also said that Waggott got crucified. 

Either way it's not important, our attention needs to be 100% fixed on the Raos. 

[Ossydave]

I can only presume the top secret info from this meeting is the proposed managerial changes and I don't think people will be impressed. 

Can anyone confirm or deny that one of those people involved were present yesterday, or are the rumours bollocks?

[philipl]

As far as I can tell, this is the one and only ..

[Upside Down]

13 minutes ago, philipl said:

As far as I can tell, this is the one and only ..

Speedie, Speedie, Speedie

[islander200]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/blackburn-jon-dahl-tomasson-quit-32072088#amp-readmore-target

Joke owners .

[NeilInBristol]

34 minutes ago, islander200 said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/blackburn-jon-dahl-tomasson-quit-32072088#amp-readmore-target

Joke owners .

It says

 

Tomasson, 47, who was wanted by Stoke in December,

 

Is that true?