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[K-Hod]

Just now, RoversClitheroe said:

Was it productive?

I feel like members got their points across and explained what the issues were very well. 

People spoke with passion and conviction, which is all you can ask for, really. 

[lraC]

1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

Can't give an exact timeframe on the release of the minutes, but hopefully, it's sooner, rather than later.

No need for anyone to regard themselves as peasants for not having the information immediately and certainly no need to have any concerns about them being edited. 

In all fairness too, the meeting was nearly 2 hours long last night, so any minutes won't include it verbatim......

In any event, if I don't feel the minutes included something vital, either myself, or one of the other posters on here in attendance, would share that with the forum.

 

Very good that.

I note that Suhail was there, did VI come, by any chance?

Given that the minutes will be submitted to the EFL they will have to accurately reflect what was said.

Did the club, try to keep anything off the record?

[MarkBRFC]

I'm glad they were seemingly pushed to get proper answers on questions.

Unfortunately though, as proven time and time again, when these meetings end nothing is ever actioned on and Suhail and co probably forget about it all the next morning and press on with what they were going to do anyway. 

[K-Hod]

I reckon Suhail would rather tap dance on a minefield than attend the meetings, but, he said something to me last night, that suggests he's rattled.

[DeeCee]

11 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I reckon Suhail would rather tap dance on a minefield than attend the meetings, but, he said something to me last night, that suggests he's rattled.

If that's not going to be in the minutes, surely you can divulge?

[MarkBRFC]

18 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I reckon Suhail would rather tap dance on a minefield than attend the meetings, but, he said something to me last night, that suggests he's rattled.

You tease!

You can't say that and not tell us what it was?!

Unless it is in the minutes then fair enough.

Edited 21 hours ago by MarkBRFC

[K-Hod]

5 minutes ago, DeeCee said:

If that's not going to be in the minutes, surely you can divulge?

Oh yeah, it was only a throw away comment. He thinks I'm wrong about something, I think I'm right and it was his response, that I felt was telling and how he phrased it.

[Rogerb]

Suhail gone from the invisible man to fully in the limelight. Nowhere to hide now no wonder he's rattled. Good job 👍 

[lraC]

From what little I know, I suspect that Pasha is very rattled that some things are getting back to the owners, that he has been trying his best to hide.

He is aware that Glen does have access to them and that will bug him no end.

Be loud be proud, we want Pasha out, either verbally or visually, as he will be trying his best to give an image that all is well, but he is slowly being found out. 

[only2garners]

I have just sat down at my screen to start writing the minutes up. I would hope to have them done inside 24 hours and they will then be passed to the club. How long that takes can be very variable depending on when everyone is oil and can get chance to review them. Then I like to give Forum members 24 hours to review them before they go up on the club website in case I have misrepresented anything.

Ishmael was not there. in fact in all the years I have been on the Forum there has only ever been one manager who has attended - Gary Bowyer. In fact, in John Williams' day, any discussion of team matters was banned.

The minutes are not sent to the EFL. They are of course published on the club website so are freely available for anyone to read.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

Oh yeah, it was only a throw away comment. He thinks I'm wrong about something, I think I'm right and it was his response, that I felt was telling and how he phrased it.

That all sounds very encouraging.

In general, do you feel it's more useful having Suhail there than Waggott, not as useful or no difference whatsoever?

[wilsdenrover]

13 hours ago, glen9mullan said:

Many of the points here raised in a 3 hour FF,

Will respect the rules regarding the minutes coming out, but I can confidently say, points were put across, redirected if answer not forthcoming and pushed again until an answer of some kind was given.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Can't give an exact timeframe on the release of the minutes, but hopefully, it's sooner, rather than later.

No need for anyone to regard themselves as peasants for not having the information immediately and certainly no need to have any concerns about them being edited. 

In all fairness too, the meeting was nearly 2 hours long last night, so any minutes won't include it verbatim......

In any event, if I don't feel the minutes included something vital, either myself, or one of the other posters on here in attendance, would share that with the forum.

 

One of you needs a new watch.

[Billinge End Blue]

5 hours ago, K-Hod said:

I feel like members got their points across and explained what the issues were very well. 

People spoke with passion and conviction, which is all you can ask for, really. 

Did anyone from the club speak with passion and conviction?

[K-Hod]

11 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

That all sounds very encouraging.

In general, do you feel it's more useful having Suhail there than Waggott, not as useful or no difference whatsoever?

Whilst, this isn't exactly high praise- I do think Waggott was more competent, but I think Suhail has the ear of the owners.

[K-Hod]

6 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

 

One of you needs a new watch.

Not mine- meeting started at 630pm, I was at my car for 820pm.

[rigger]

3 minutes ago, Billinge End Blue said:

Did anyone from the club speak with passion and conviction?

Did anyone from the club, listen with passion and conviction ?

[glen9mullan]

7 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

 

One of you needs a new watch.

Lol, I got home 21.40, though did speak after the forum to a couple of people, so in theory I was there for over 3 hours 

[MickBet]

1 hour ago, only2garners said:

I have just sat down at my screen to start writing the minutes up. I would hope to have them done inside 24 hours and they will then be passed to the club. How long that takes can be very variable depending on when everyone is oil and can get chance to review them. Then I like to give Forum members 24 hours to review them before they go up on the club website in case I have misrepresented anything.

Ishmael was not there. in fact in all the years I have been on the Forum there has only ever been one manager who has attended - Gary Bowyer. In fact, in John Williams' day, any discussion of team matters was banned.

The minutes are not sent to the EFL. They are of course published on the club website so are freely available for anyone to read.

As it's been reported previously, that the minutes published aren't an acriute account of the exact minutes, I hope the unelected members of the FF call this out and not sit there like nodding dogs as usual. It's been far to long that the club keep breaking EFL rules on consultation meetings and submit the FF as fan engagement.

[K-Hod]

3 minutes ago, MickBet said:

As it's been reported previously, that the minutes published aren't an acriute account of the exact minutes, I hope the unelected members of the FF call this out and not sit there like nodding dogs as usual. It's been far to long that the club keep breaking EFL rules on consultation meetings and submit the FF as fan engagement.

1st bit in bold- Are you trying to say the word 'accurate' here? Either way, it's unrealistic to expect such a long meeting to be recreated in the minutes.

2nd bit in bold- Completely unfair and way off the mark. As I've said before, if anyone thinks they can do a better job, they're welcome to join. 

 

[Gav]

7 minutes ago, MickBet said:

As it's been reported previously, that the minutes published aren't an acriute account of the exact minutes, I hope the unelected members of the FF call this out and not sit there like nodding dogs as usual. It's been far to long that the club keep breaking EFL rules on consultation meetings and submit the FF as fan engagement.

Wind it back in cocker or maybe give up your time to help?

Edited 19 hours ago by Gav

[lraC]

1 hour ago, only2garners said:

I have just sat down at my screen to start writing the minutes up. I would hope to have them done inside 24 hours and they will then be passed to the club. How long that takes can be very variable depending on when everyone is oil and can get chance to review them. Then I like to give Forum members 24 hours to review them before they go up on the club website in case I have misrepresented anything.

Ishmael was not there. in fact in all the years I have been on the Forum there has only ever been one manager who has attended - Gary Bowyer. In fact, in John Williams' day, any discussion of team matters was banned.

The minutes are not sent to the EFL. They are of course published on the club website so are freely available for anyone to read.

Unlikely I know, but what about an unofficial/ unapproved version with a caveat to say, these need to be ratified and agreed by all concerned and therefore cannot be guaranteed as accurate for the time being.

At least that way, we see what is presented to the club and the final edited version.

If you don't ask, you don't get, so I am asking.

[JBiz]

5 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

1st bit in bold- Are you trying to say the word 'accurate' here? Either way, it's unrealistic to expect such a long meeting to be recreated in the minutes.

2nd bit in bold- Completely unfair and way off the mark. As I've said before, if anyone thinks they can do a better job, they're welcome to join. 

 

Google “AI meeting minutes apps” 

[only2garners]

24 minutes ago, MickBet said:

As it's been reported previously, that the minutes published aren't an acriute account of the exact minutes, I hope the unelected members of the FF call this out and not sit there like nodding dogs as usual. It's been far to long that the club keep breaking EFL rules on consultation meetings and submit the FF as fan engagement.

As the person who has been writing up the Forum minutes for a long time I would be interested in knowing where it has been reported that the minutes are not an accurate account?

This is what happens - I come home and write the minutes as best I can. Then they go to the club and some changes are made. Often these are very minor changes, sometimes more information might be added. Whilst occasionally I and the Chair might go back regarding these changes nearly always we are happy with the end result. It's important to note here that we may very well not be happy with what was said, but we are happy with the factual accuracy of what we were told.

What the minutes can never be is a verbatim record of everything that everyone says during the meetings. That would be unreadable and provide no more clarity. What I think does happen is that the words on the minutes do not and I don't think can ever convey the full understanding of the level of debate. They are minutes, not a drama.

Finally in the past we have sometimes been told some confidential things that I am not allowed to minute. John Williams in particular did it all the time. There was none of that last night.

[davulsukur]

3 hours ago, K-Hod said:

I reckon Suhail would rather tap dance on a minefield than attend the meetings, but, he said something to me last night, that suggests he's rattled.

 

[MickBet]

32 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

1st bit in bold- Are you trying to say the word 'accurate' here? Either way, it's unrealistic to expect such a long meeting to be recreated in the minutes.

2nd bit in bold- Completely unfair and way off the mark. As I've said before, if anyone thinks they can do a better job, they're welcome to join

Consultation meetings are open to all. The fans forum is not! This being a crucial part of the fan engagement rules set out by the EFL the FF let the club carry on at will. Its a known fact that Suhail and the club want to cut all ties and communications with fans.why?My point is in the past the FF have let this ride I hope the farcical way the club are going about setting up the 150 (135) anniversary celebrations are anything to go by was brought up.